Motherboard Makers: Intel Really Screwed Up on Timing RTX 3080 Launch
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Date: 2020-08-15
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Tyler
For marketing yes 100% as most people don t know what 4.0 is and people will pick out something that s more future proof even though it may not make much of any difference unless you plan on buying all pcie 4.0 devices. For real world performance it s unlikely next gen will fully utilise pcie 3.0 16x, current cards don t even utilise 8x and we re barely utilising pcie 2.0 16x. I d imagine once 4.0 is actually viable we will have ddr5 memory and potentially pcie 5.0. Depends on how well the next gen devices take advantage of it. Still a better upgrade path than 3.0 though for sure and Intel should definitely be aiming for pcie 4.0 on next gen boards.
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For marketing yes 100% as most people don t know what 4.0 is and people will pick out something that s more future proof even though it may not make much of any difference unless you plan on buying all pcie 4.0 devices. For real world performance it s unlikely next gen will fully utilise pcie 3.0 16x, current cards don t even utilise 8x and we re barely utilising pcie 2.0 16x. I d imagine once 4.0 is actually viable we will have ddr5 memory and potentially pcie 5.0. Depends on how well the next gen devices take advantage of it. Still a better upgrade path than 3.0 though for sure and Intel should definitely be aiming for pcie 4.0 on next gen boards.
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Adrian
Dude you could have given that gift card to some poor little kid whose parents would have no chance of buying them some epic piece of hardware and helped get a child who otherwise could not afford to get in to PC's (in general - due to cost), a chance to do so. I get the sentiment, but surely a bigger screw you would be 'not' using it to buy and review anything (therefor advertising for them) and just making a video of you making some kids Christmas by giving him a great new piece of hardware of his/her choosing!
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Dude you could have given that gift card to some poor little kid whose parents would have no chance of buying them some epic piece of hardware and helped get a child who otherwise could not afford to get in to PC's (in general - due to cost), a chance to do so. I get the sentiment, but surely a bigger screw you would be 'not' using it to buy and review anything (therefor advertising for them) and just making a video of you making some kids Christmas by giving him a great new piece of hardware of his/her choosing!
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Marie
I just realised the gravity of PCIe Gen4's relevance to GPU bottleneck in the RTX 3000 line. All the baller 2080ti water-cooled builds you see right now? They will be running AMD CPUs next product cycle if the 3080 and 3090 lose significant amounts of performance on PCIe Gen3. For high end gaming the GPU power will always be more relevant for higher frames so why would any enthusiast go with Intel anymore if they can't get the most out of their shiny new 2000 GPU...
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I just realised the gravity of PCIe Gen4's relevance to GPU bottleneck in the RTX 3000 line. All the baller 2080ti water-cooled builds you see right now? They will be running AMD CPUs next product cycle if the 3080 and 3090 lose significant amounts of performance on PCIe Gen3. For high end gaming the GPU power will always be more relevant for higher frames so why would any enthusiast go with Intel anymore if they can't get the most out of their shiny new 2000 GPU...
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Lewis
I am literally waiting to upgrade to whatever HEDT platform intel releases when it has pcie 4 so I can have I/O, add in cards and storage in the future as necessary.
I got the x79 platform way back and still on it. Having 40 pcie 3.0 lanes has been great for add ins like m.2 ssds and newer graphics cards etc.
It has really lasted me and I also want high single threaded performance when I upgrade.
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I am literally waiting to upgrade to whatever HEDT platform intel releases when it has pcie 4 so I can have I/O, add in cards and storage in the future as necessary.
I got the x79 platform way back and still on it. Having 40 pcie 3.0 lanes has been great for add ins like m.2 ssds and newer graphics cards etc.
It has really lasted me and I also want high single threaded performance when I upgrade.
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Gareth
PCI-E gen 4 represents a leap in several area's Storage and Graphics, Gen 4 for me was important because of the storage performance jump...I bought a X570 mobo and a gen 4 nvme at the same time.
for the most part graphics wasn't a big deal as most can't really make use of gen 3, if they can make use of gen 4 then I'll gladly buy one for a full on gen 4 upgrade.
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PCI-E gen 4 represents a leap in several area's Storage and Graphics, Gen 4 for me was important because of the storage performance jump...I bought a X570 mobo and a gen 4 nvme at the same time.
for the most part graphics wasn't a big deal as most can't really make use of gen 3, if they can make use of gen 4 then I'll gladly buy one for a full on gen 4 upgrade.
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Alexander
PCIE4 matters in 720p tests with the 5700 XT on old/less demanding games with lots of FPS. For example, SWINE HD PCIE 3 vs 4 amounts to 700 fps vs 850ish fps.
With the 3080 and 3080 Ti this will matter more at 720p CPU tests and 1080p tests on less demanding titles. Plus, games like Horizon Zero Dawn that for some reason stress the PCIE more.
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PCIE4 matters in 720p tests with the 5700 XT on old/less demanding games with lots of FPS. For example, SWINE HD PCIE 3 vs 4 amounts to 700 fps vs 850ish fps.
With the 3080 and 3080 Ti this will matter more at 720p CPU tests and 1080p tests on less demanding titles. Plus, games like Horizon Zero Dawn that for some reason stress the PCIE more.
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Plasmabutt
Agreed, high fps marketing falling appart. Getting from 60 to 120/144 and keeping it stable is vastly more impactful than 200+ stable or not. Getting 200+ is just evidence of stability at below 200.
Gonna be good to see raytracing and 4k become 144 stable on a VR headset rig with a price tag less than 1000... Someday... Someday...
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Agreed, high fps marketing falling appart. Getting from 60 to 120/144 and keeping it stable is vastly more impactful than 200+ stable or not. Getting 200+ is just evidence of stability at below 200.
Gonna be good to see raytracing and 4k become 144 stable on a VR headset rig with a price tag less than 1000... Someday... Someday...
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Branko
Maybe an interesting project for you or the Actuall Hardware Overclocking would be to try a Ryzen 3000 (3700x?) on a B350 motherboard with a BIOS that did not lock PCIE4 (they started doing that with August/September 2019 Bios versions), and see how these handle with stability and performance.
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Maybe an interesting project for you or the Actuall Hardware Overclocking would be to try a Ryzen 3000 (3700x?) on a B350 motherboard with a BIOS that did not lock PCIE4 (they started doing that with August/September 2019 Bios versions), and see how these handle with stability and performance.
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jason
oi steve give the cards you dont want to noble causes cmon man dont just burn them thats such a crude disposal method, give them to your local homeless shelter or youth program, burning money like you did in todays climate is a touch too far, give the corporate blood money to those who need it
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oi steve give the cards you dont want to noble causes cmon man dont just burn them thats such a crude disposal method, give them to your local homeless shelter or youth program, burning money like you did in todays climate is a touch too far, give the corporate blood money to those who need it
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JonW
It's not about the GPU having extra performance with PCIE 4.0 at launch.. it's about knowing that two years from now, if you decide to upgrade your GPU (best upgrade for a gamer), you'll be able to keep your old system/CPU/motherboard/RAM etc. That's why the number matters.. B550 vs B450 etc.
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It's not about the GPU having extra performance with PCIE 4.0 at launch.. it's about knowing that two years from now, if you decide to upgrade your GPU (best upgrade for a gamer), you'll be able to keep your old system/CPU/motherboard/RAM etc. That's why the number matters.. B550 vs B450 etc.
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