The PC at E3, next gen consoles vs PC, game streaming vs PC and more - The Full Nerd ep. 97
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Nocturnal101
Now I just need a reboot of Hexen and Heretic,
For the SSDs they can say what they want but they are probably using the new PCIe standard, so it has double the bandwidth, with proper programming I have no doubt they can eliminate them(LTs) especially since they won't be able to run some the highest texture packs as the GPU just won't be strong enough looking at the AMDs newest announcements for GPUs was staggeringly disappointing the Wattage/TDP versus performance level and the price are to high for the little they are offering in the midrange, whats disturbing is that NVidia will just price cut and release -Super- until they get their 7nm EUV/UVL Samsung product line rolling out probably 1st or second quarter 2020, NVidia has a clear advantage in Arch. design still given that the R7 seen a 25-30% increase in power on a bad Vega Arch. I am pretty sure we might be looking at Maxwell->Pascal increases or just shy of if they revise the arch a bit.
PC has an advantage with Ray Tracing(Consoles will say they are compatible but the major question is will it be playable) for now there obviously is developer interest in using it, the main issue is I don't think we will see any real gains for it until PCIe 5. 0 gen where due to the increased bandwidth we could see Intel and NVidia using CXL and NVLink through the PCIe bus to create a solution that works without anything beyond API support as its only achievable through a lot of low latency overhead to cut down on Frame Times and some of the issue that required constant driver tweaks for it to work properly and have better scaling with multi GPU solutions.
Streaming for gaming isn't viable. -. not because of Google but because of last mile service, just because someone pays for 200Mbps service doesn't mean it will be low latency to the point you can have a playable experience without input Lag. Keep in mind you have people Like Ajit Pai with fast lanes and a disturbing lack of realistic proof or data concluding his assumptions and dictational policies despite what the mass public and host business ecosystems want.
Sad part about the Kinect is that it isn't being used. with the VR boom the Kinect would have really been a great all around tracking method, but you know screw it Why use a perfectly good tracking method and just shelve it so no one else can use it. ---. PC was the best use case for Kinect and they screwed that up.
I think the whole excuse PC is 2 expensive is just garbage over half the people saying that -buy- an iPhone, Ipad, MacBook and lease vehicles they realistically can't afford, piss away a couple hundred every week at a bar or club, pay thousands for season tickets. and buy a 65inch $2k TV because they actually need that to watch sports on, and complain later they can't afford a PC. -.
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Now I just need a reboot of Hexen and Heretic,
For the SSDs they can say what they want but they are probably using the new PCIe standard, so it has double the bandwidth, with proper programming I have no doubt they can eliminate them(LTs) especially since they won't be able to run some the highest texture packs as the GPU just won't be strong enough looking at the AMDs newest announcements for GPUs was staggeringly disappointing the Wattage/TDP versus performance level and the price are to high for the little they are offering in the midrange, whats disturbing is that NVidia will just price cut and release -Super- until they get their 7nm EUV/UVL Samsung product line rolling out probably 1st or second quarter 2020, NVidia has a clear advantage in Arch. design still given that the R7 seen a 25-30% increase in power on a bad Vega Arch. I am pretty sure we might be looking at Maxwell->Pascal increases or just shy of if they revise the arch a bit.
PC has an advantage with Ray Tracing(Consoles will say they are compatible but the major question is will it be playable) for now there obviously is developer interest in using it, the main issue is I don't think we will see any real gains for it until PCIe 5. 0 gen where due to the increased bandwidth we could see Intel and NVidia using CXL and NVLink through the PCIe bus to create a solution that works without anything beyond API support as its only achievable through a lot of low latency overhead to cut down on Frame Times and some of the issue that required constant driver tweaks for it to work properly and have better scaling with multi GPU solutions.
Streaming for gaming isn't viable. -. not because of Google but because of last mile service, just because someone pays for 200Mbps service doesn't mean it will be low latency to the point you can have a playable experience without input Lag. Keep in mind you have people Like Ajit Pai with fast lanes and a disturbing lack of realistic proof or data concluding his assumptions and dictational policies despite what the mass public and host business ecosystems want.
Sad part about the Kinect is that it isn't being used. with the VR boom the Kinect would have really been a great all around tracking method, but you know screw it Why use a perfectly good tracking method and just shelve it so no one else can use it. ---. PC was the best use case for Kinect and they screwed that up.
I think the whole excuse PC is 2 expensive is just garbage over half the people saying that -buy- an iPhone, Ipad, MacBook and lease vehicles they realistically can't afford, piss away a couple hundred every week at a bar or club, pay thousands for season tickets. and buy a 65inch $2k TV because they actually need that to watch sports on, and complain later they can't afford a PC. -.
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Peter
On the topic of PC's vs consoles. Consoles have held back the PC for gaming. A few well known examples:
- Deus Ex Human Revolution, play this game with the commentary from the developers and you will hear them explain all the time how they were held back by the tiny amount of RAM (512 GB out of my head) on that generation (PS3 and X360) of consoles. For example, they had to cut most of Shenzhen for that reason. That part where you are being scanned for viruses, it is a loading camouflage scene. They also used much lower quality graphics settings for the cutscenes than during the gameplay.
- Mass Effect with that elevator scene which you couldn't skip which was a loadin camouflage scene. Yes, there were some interesting conversations but those lasted 10% of the waiting time and for the PC that waiting time could have been cut to 0 seconds. By the way, ME1-3 also does not use more than 1 core and 512 MB RAM and you see that in the levels, they could have made it a lot more complex if they would have used 4 GB or 8 GB of RAM
- the fact that we still don't have games using 8 cores is the result of consoles having weak CPU's.
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On the topic of PC's vs consoles. Consoles have held back the PC for gaming. A few well known examples:
- Deus Ex Human Revolution, play this game with the commentary from the developers and you will hear them explain all the time how they were held back by the tiny amount of RAM (512 GB out of my head) on that generation (PS3 and X360) of consoles. For example, they had to cut most of Shenzhen for that reason. That part where you are being scanned for viruses, it is a loading camouflage scene. They also used much lower quality graphics settings for the cutscenes than during the gameplay.
- Mass Effect with that elevator scene which you couldn't skip which was a loadin camouflage scene. Yes, there were some interesting conversations but those lasted 10% of the waiting time and for the PC that waiting time could have been cut to 0 seconds. By the way, ME1-3 also does not use more than 1 core and 512 MB RAM and you see that in the levels, they could have made it a lot more complex if they would have used 4 GB or 8 GB of RAM
- the fact that we still don't have games using 8 cores is the result of consoles having weak CPU's.
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hvd
if stadia works there will be no need to build a $1500 pc to play the same games that are on stadia for a low monthly fee of $12 a month game streaming will kill pc hardware. as far as the consoles go is about the games and xbox cant compete with sony. exclusives will always matter and sony is the kings of AAA exclusives.
game streaming will replace pc hardware since pc gaming relies on the internet.
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if stadia works there will be no need to build a $1500 pc to play the same games that are on stadia for a low monthly fee of $12 a month game streaming will kill pc hardware. as far as the consoles go is about the games and xbox cant compete with sony. exclusives will always matter and sony is the kings of AAA exclusives.
game streaming will replace pc hardware since pc gaming relies on the internet.
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Derek
Why Gordon doesn-t understand that most game sales are on consoles and that companies like nixxies are hired to port the console game code to the PC. Most games are not developed FOR the PC for at least the past decade. Also as someone who has a 2080ti equipped PC and all 3 consoles, I consider myself a gamer, not a console guy or #PCMR.
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Why Gordon doesn-t understand that most game sales are on consoles and that companies like nixxies are hired to port the console game code to the PC. Most games are not developed FOR the PC for at least the past decade. Also as someone who has a 2080ti equipped PC and all 3 consoles, I consider myself a gamer, not a console guy or #PCMR.
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Terry
I might buy the next Gen console, I haven't decided yet. Because, I still have the original Xbox and Xbox One S, I even still play on my first PC I built 4 years ago and the the new one I built back in January. I might build a low budget PC just for hell of it on my desk the other two are hookup to my TV.
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I might buy the next Gen console, I haven't decided yet. Because, I still have the original Xbox and Xbox One S, I even still play on my first PC I built 4 years ago and the the new one I built back in January. I might build a low budget PC just for hell of it on my desk the other two are hookup to my TV.
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Jamal
What's wrong with booth babes? And -5: 31 - Check dude trying to tell people what they should do. If people are down to be booth babes, then let them do it. Why you trying to take bread out of people's pockets. These SF tech types be trippin' sometimes.
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What's wrong with booth babes? And -5: 31 - Check dude trying to tell people what they should do. If people are down to be booth babes, then let them do it. Why you trying to take bread out of people's pockets. These SF tech types be trippin' sometimes.
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TheOfficialSiNN
Gaming to me is so dead. Just repeating games that have already been played out. I don-t care about hd then hd+ and selling extra crap that doesn-t matter. It-s just a greedy ass industry now and call of duty part 900 just bleh.
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Gaming to me is so dead. Just repeating games that have already been played out. I don-t care about hd then hd+ and selling extra crap that doesn-t matter. It-s just a greedy ass industry now and call of duty part 900 just bleh.
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Husain
there is nothing can beat pc because next gen consoles will use an apu only an apu is very weak compare to deficated cpu and gpu pc is always use dedicated cpu ans gpu thats why pc is the ultimate gaming platform
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there is nothing can beat pc because next gen consoles will use an apu only an apu is very weak compare to deficated cpu and gpu pc is always use dedicated cpu ans gpu thats why pc is the ultimate gaming platform
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RRhoads27
CPU is a huge bottleneck on the current consoles, and major reason for why you don't see many 60 FPS titles. It affects load times too, and you won't get the most out of an SSD if you connect it by USB3.
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CPU is a huge bottleneck on the current consoles, and major reason for why you don't see many 60 FPS titles. It affects load times too, and you won't get the most out of an SSD if you connect it by USB3.
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Yamil
How will some of those games run on the old jaguar cores of the old consoles? Especially Cyberpunk, which looks like it would need a pretty mordern CPU (because of all the characters and view distance.
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How will some of those games run on the old jaguar cores of the old consoles? Especially Cyberpunk, which looks like it would need a pretty mordern CPU (because of all the characters and view distance.
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