Intel gets salty, Ryzen 3000 boost bug, best GPUs to buy now - The Full Nerd ep. 105
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Date: 2022-03-15
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11: 32 intel says they have performance per dollar. lmfao. basically, amd forced intel to cut prices, without amd, we'd still be paying 2k for freaking 10 core cpu's. now that there is REAL competition, now intel wants to slash prices because they know amd is kicking their asses. so now, they want to claim performance per dollar, where they know amd is and always had killed them in that. now they are forced to take amd's position because amd is the performance king at the moment. lmfao. also, they are comparing to last gen threadripper, when the 3000 series threadripper gets released, it will annihilate anything intel has in hedt.
also. intel spending 20 minutes dissing amd and spending 5 minutes talking about their own product, sounds to me like intel is in FULL panic mode right now because AMD is winning the mindshare war.
the other day, true story, there was an intel representative at my local walmart. the guy was trying to talk to people about the gaming pc's at walmart. all the gaming pc's had intel cpu's in them. i was looking at them, the guy asked me if i am into gaming pc's. i was like -ya i have 3 systems- and the guy was like, so hows the intel cpu's working out for you? i was like, i don't use intel, at the moment, they are inferior to amd for what i use them for. i mean, pure gaming? you get what? handful of frames better on intel? i mean, i get perfectly good frames on my systems, and i get the extra cores. i mentioned to the guy, amd is killing intel right now. he's like -that's not true, intel just released their 10th generation of their I series. - i said in reply, -ya, 10th gen at 14 nm. amd is rocking 7 nm and intel can't even get to 10 nm. - i was like, next gen consoles will be rocking 8 core 16 thread amd cpu's. if you buy these machines here right now, they will be bad in about a year from now (they all had 8700 intels in them. i mean, 6 core 12 thread will age terribly the moment next gen consoles are released. everything is going to be developed around 8 core 16 thread, then ported to pc. so in other words, amd will be developed first, higher core counts developed around games, so anything less than 8 core will age terribly. the guy had no idea what i was talking about i think, either that, or he was just salty because he was trying to say that intel is better for gaming. maybe purely for gaming, at the moment. not when next gen consoles are dropped. next gen consoles are full gaming pc's. they will be developed around amd's strengths, not around intels. ps4 and xbox one are using shitty cpu's. so ported to pc intel of course will do good at the moment because current console cpu's are terrible. next gen console will be a game changer because they are RYZEN cpu's and game devs will be porting for amd first, so when ported to pc, they will already be developed for amd, and not for intel. ryzen will reign supreme the moment next gen consoles are dropped.
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11: 32 intel says they have performance per dollar. lmfao. basically, amd forced intel to cut prices, without amd, we'd still be paying 2k for freaking 10 core cpu's. now that there is REAL competition, now intel wants to slash prices because they know amd is kicking their asses. so now, they want to claim performance per dollar, where they know amd is and always had killed them in that. now they are forced to take amd's position because amd is the performance king at the moment. lmfao. also, they are comparing to last gen threadripper, when the 3000 series threadripper gets released, it will annihilate anything intel has in hedt.
also. intel spending 20 minutes dissing amd and spending 5 minutes talking about their own product, sounds to me like intel is in FULL panic mode right now because AMD is winning the mindshare war.
the other day, true story, there was an intel representative at my local walmart. the guy was trying to talk to people about the gaming pc's at walmart. all the gaming pc's had intel cpu's in them. i was looking at them, the guy asked me if i am into gaming pc's. i was like -ya i have 3 systems- and the guy was like, so hows the intel cpu's working out for you? i was like, i don't use intel, at the moment, they are inferior to amd for what i use them for. i mean, pure gaming? you get what? handful of frames better on intel? i mean, i get perfectly good frames on my systems, and i get the extra cores. i mentioned to the guy, amd is killing intel right now. he's like -that's not true, intel just released their 10th generation of their I series. - i said in reply, -ya, 10th gen at 14 nm. amd is rocking 7 nm and intel can't even get to 10 nm. - i was like, next gen consoles will be rocking 8 core 16 thread amd cpu's. if you buy these machines here right now, they will be bad in about a year from now (they all had 8700 intels in them. i mean, 6 core 12 thread will age terribly the moment next gen consoles are released. everything is going to be developed around 8 core 16 thread, then ported to pc. so in other words, amd will be developed first, higher core counts developed around games, so anything less than 8 core will age terribly. the guy had no idea what i was talking about i think, either that, or he was just salty because he was trying to say that intel is better for gaming. maybe purely for gaming, at the moment. not when next gen consoles are dropped. next gen consoles are full gaming pc's. they will be developed around amd's strengths, not around intels. ps4 and xbox one are using shitty cpu's. so ported to pc intel of course will do good at the moment because current console cpu's are terrible. next gen console will be a game changer because they are RYZEN cpu's and game devs will be porting for amd first, so when ported to pc, they will already be developed for amd, and not for intel. ryzen will reign supreme the moment next gen consoles are dropped.
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ISee
I love the PC hobby because it gives me a lot of freedom (over consoles. I choose my hardware, I choose my resolution, settings, refresh rate and I assemble my own -gaming station-. I'm free to download whatever -virus infested- software I choose, from any shady website that exists, I can choose my operating system. I'm making the decisions, for the most part. I'm using multiple stores and launchers, because why not. But choice limiting third party exclusivity isn't something I'm liking.
Making third party products exclusive isn't equal to competition. The product is only available from one store and there is no costumer choice involved. Instead you're forcing people to buy from you, that's legal but anti consumer and anti free market. -I can understand first party exclusivity, it's your investment, your IP. But buying third party games to apply force consumers: That's not something I'm willing to support.
I don't care about the 88-12 cut either. Nobody is telling me to care about INTEL, NVIDIA or AMD, rightfully so. I buy my products with my own needs in mind and not their winnings. It's the same when buying games. If I really like a product, I'll buy the season pass or the worthless digital Collectors Edition upgrade. Companies, developers and publishers do not care about me either. If I loose my job they wouldn't send me free stuff and still there is this narrative that we, the consumers, have this strange obligation to support them and care about their business splits.
I don't get it.
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I love the PC hobby because it gives me a lot of freedom (over consoles. I choose my hardware, I choose my resolution, settings, refresh rate and I assemble my own -gaming station-. I'm free to download whatever -virus infested- software I choose, from any shady website that exists, I can choose my operating system. I'm making the decisions, for the most part. I'm using multiple stores and launchers, because why not. But choice limiting third party exclusivity isn't something I'm liking.
Making third party products exclusive isn't equal to competition. The product is only available from one store and there is no costumer choice involved. Instead you're forcing people to buy from you, that's legal but anti consumer and anti free market. -I can understand first party exclusivity, it's your investment, your IP. But buying third party games to apply force consumers: That's not something I'm willing to support.
I don't care about the 88-12 cut either. Nobody is telling me to care about INTEL, NVIDIA or AMD, rightfully so. I buy my products with my own needs in mind and not their winnings. It's the same when buying games. If I really like a product, I'll buy the season pass or the worthless digital Collectors Edition upgrade. Companies, developers and publishers do not care about me either. If I loose my job they wouldn't send me free stuff and still there is this narrative that we, the consumers, have this strange obligation to support them and care about their business splits.
I don't get it.
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Wutt
regarding the Taipei pricing. I don't know about Taipei lol. However, stuffs produced in Thailand are usually the same price as everywhere else in the world, plus we do rarely sales here (30% maxium. For us it's caused by the regulation set by the BOI that, to be applicable to applied for BOI promotion, the product produced must not be sold in Thailand. They have to be exported somwhere else. The regulation does not cover the product made in Thailand, exported, and then imported back (legally at least, so there's no price advantage.
The regulation is basically to protect the local producer. I mean, these global company produces stuffs in larger volume and per-item cost would be less than the local one. If they can sales at cost, then the local producer would be annihilated in the market.
That's why Sony Xperia 1 or Sony Alpha or Canon cameras here is as exensive as the rest of the world. Harddrive here are also as expensive. When the flood hit, we got hit by the price surge as bad as the rest of the world.
Anyway I think this rule does not applies to automobile for some reason: -.
PS. Taipei is not Thailand damm it!
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regarding the Taipei pricing. I don't know about Taipei lol. However, stuffs produced in Thailand are usually the same price as everywhere else in the world, plus we do rarely sales here (30% maxium. For us it's caused by the regulation set by the BOI that, to be applicable to applied for BOI promotion, the product produced must not be sold in Thailand. They have to be exported somwhere else. The regulation does not cover the product made in Thailand, exported, and then imported back (legally at least, so there's no price advantage.
The regulation is basically to protect the local producer. I mean, these global company produces stuffs in larger volume and per-item cost would be less than the local one. If they can sales at cost, then the local producer would be annihilated in the market.
That's why Sony Xperia 1 or Sony Alpha or Canon cameras here is as exensive as the rest of the world. Harddrive here are also as expensive. When the flood hit, we got hit by the price surge as bad as the rest of the world.
Anyway I think this rule does not applies to automobile for some reason: -.
PS. Taipei is not Thailand damm it!
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DisamerdScroll
Not sure if u guys gonna read this, but my explanation and view on finewine is less about the drivers and more about the games.
Games coming out now (and 2/3y back) were build with PS4/Xbone (which use GCN) fully in mind, engines have updated for them as well so thats why they -gained perf-, mostly in comparison with Kepler since that uArch also aged like milk.
Drivers overtime also picked up perf but its not earth shattering, a couple of % here and there but no much (they did improve frametimes tho, Im expecting to Navi be similar since next gen is using it but should be to a lesser degree then GCN vs Kepler, also cuz Turing is actually quite good on what Navi (and GCN) is good at unlike the meme that is Kepler lol
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Not sure if u guys gonna read this, but my explanation and view on finewine is less about the drivers and more about the games.
Games coming out now (and 2/3y back) were build with PS4/Xbone (which use GCN) fully in mind, engines have updated for them as well so thats why they -gained perf-, mostly in comparison with Kepler since that uArch also aged like milk.
Drivers overtime also picked up perf but its not earth shattering, a couple of % here and there but no much (they did improve frametimes tho, Im expecting to Navi be similar since next gen is using it but should be to a lesser degree then GCN vs Kepler, also cuz Turing is actually quite good on what Navi (and GCN) is good at unlike the meme that is Kepler lol
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ISee
I'm only hitting 4250MHz single core boost on my 3900x.
I know, I know. It must be a user error, because logic. But I've tried every single suggested -google- solution, stock settings, resetet bios, reinstalled windows, tried different BIOS versions.
It is a bit frustrating. All I can say: On AGESA 1002 boost was 4350MHz single, 4300MHz all core. But I can't use that one because Asus screwed up the bios, my PC isn't turning off automatically and bios fan profiles do not stick. AGESA 1003ABB has the much lower clocks, but everything else is working fine.
All I can say: There is something wrong with boost clock behavior. I'm using a x470 CH7 WiFi, so not x570 but come on: It's still a high end board with excellent VRM.
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I'm only hitting 4250MHz single core boost on my 3900x.
I know, I know. It must be a user error, because logic. But I've tried every single suggested -google- solution, stock settings, resetet bios, reinstalled windows, tried different BIOS versions.
It is a bit frustrating. All I can say: On AGESA 1002 boost was 4350MHz single, 4300MHz all core. But I can't use that one because Asus screwed up the bios, my PC isn't turning off automatically and bios fan profiles do not stick. AGESA 1003ABB has the much lower clocks, but everything else is working fine.
All I can say: There is something wrong with boost clock behavior. I'm using a x470 CH7 WiFi, so not x570 but come on: It's still a high end board with excellent VRM.
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Anton
You guys TOTALLY glazed over the important fact that Ryzen 3000 parts don't throttle-down to more normal - and traditional - IDLE levels. The 'Boost' controls are screwed up on the peak Freq side of things AND - the idle modes not dropping down due to too much OS and microcode tickling.
Finding these live stream, Panel Think' sessions more and more painfully worthless lately. Self important much?
Sort of shocked to be completely honest. the nicest way I know how to put it is. You guys are getting sloppy.
Work on getting back to a more Serious Business approach. and Profit!
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You guys TOTALLY glazed over the important fact that Ryzen 3000 parts don't throttle-down to more normal - and traditional - IDLE levels. The 'Boost' controls are screwed up on the peak Freq side of things AND - the idle modes not dropping down due to too much OS and microcode tickling.
Finding these live stream, Panel Think' sessions more and more painfully worthless lately. Self important much?
Sort of shocked to be completely honest. the nicest way I know how to put it is. You guys are getting sloppy.
Work on getting back to a more Serious Business approach. and Profit!
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Toms
Hardware unboxed did testing on ryzen boost clocks on multiple motherboards and thier results pretty much show on average max boost clocks are down by 0. 51%. The numbers. -
One hit 4550mhz, 2 hit 4525, 3 hit 4500mhz, 2 hit 4475mhz, 2 hit 4465mhz, 1 hit 4375mhz and another 4370mhz. Thats 58, 200mhz/13 motherboards=4476. 92Mhz on average, 4500Mhz target/4476. 92=0. 51546% off the mark. -
Cinebench single core alternates between many cores, its not like an itunes transcode which is truly single threaded hence the results.
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Hardware unboxed did testing on ryzen boost clocks on multiple motherboards and thier results pretty much show on average max boost clocks are down by 0. 51%. The numbers. -
One hit 4550mhz, 2 hit 4525, 3 hit 4500mhz, 2 hit 4475mhz, 2 hit 4465mhz, 1 hit 4375mhz and another 4370mhz. Thats 58, 200mhz/13 motherboards=4476. 92Mhz on average, 4500Mhz target/4476. 92=0. 51546% off the mark. -
Cinebench single core alternates between many cores, its not like an itunes transcode which is truly single threaded hence the results.
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Brandon
I have a ryzen 1700 system, ryzen 2700x system and a ryzen 3700x. I do not overclock I and my 1700 is used for office work and ran 24/7, but just recently died and I had to RMA it. Now AMD has taken care of me and it is going out for warranty replacement, but I have build tons of systems over the last 20 years and this is the first CPU I have ever had die on me. It just make me wonder if some of these chips have been pushed out too soon.
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I have a ryzen 1700 system, ryzen 2700x system and a ryzen 3700x. I do not overclock I and my 1700 is used for office work and ran 24/7, but just recently died and I had to RMA it. Now AMD has taken care of me and it is going out for warranty replacement, but I have build tons of systems over the last 20 years and this is the first CPU I have ever had die on me. It just make me wonder if some of these chips have been pushed out too soon.
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Toms
Just going to point out the 8086k launched (39 years after the 8086) Just before the launch of the 9900k with 33% more cores. So the 9900KS it's a pretty good indicator they're about to launch [Edit-Comet Lake] on desktop with 10 cores.
Intel now has Comet lake, Cannon lake (skymont, due on desktop 2016, and Whiskey lake ALL of which are yet more skylake based mobile chips plus Ice lake mobile parts.
Darts at a dartboard.
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Just going to point out the 8086k launched (39 years after the 8086) Just before the launch of the 9900k with 33% more cores. So the 9900KS it's a pretty good indicator they're about to launch [Edit-Comet Lake] on desktop with 10 cores.
Intel now has Comet lake, Cannon lake (skymont, due on desktop 2016, and Whiskey lake ALL of which are yet more skylake based mobile chips plus Ice lake mobile parts.
Darts at a dartboard.
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franzb69
most people forget that the early users of ryzen 3000 do not bios update all the time like most technically inclined people.
most people just use it and not think about that stuff. they're the type of people that thinks, why fix it when it's not broken?
and then they end up with lots of broken computers. then you get a class action lawsuit coz their bioses were the older versions and never updated.
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most people forget that the early users of ryzen 3000 do not bios update all the time like most technically inclined people.
most people just use it and not think about that stuff. they're the type of people that thinks, why fix it when it's not broken?
and then they end up with lots of broken computers. then you get a class action lawsuit coz their bioses were the older versions and never updated.
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