Ask AMD's GPU chief about the Radeon RX 6700 XT - The Full Nerd Special Edition
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Date: 2022-03-15
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liaminwales
To be fair VEGA was made for compute and gaming, using AMD GPU's in a mac pro was amazing Polaris and VEGA are amazing for video work in osx!
no joke AMD gave my macpro 5, 1 an extra few years of video editing.
Nvidia this gen have made a VEGA like GPU, more compute focused. back in the day with the GTX 480/580 Nvidia was a compute king but they moved away from compute towards games in there main stream GPU's with GTX 680 and later.
so it's kind of circles AMD has moved towards optimising for game's and Nvidia has moved towards compute.
you can see it in how the RTX 30XX cards scale better at 4K and worse at 1080p, they only work at full speed with a big load same as VEGA (just at the time 4K was harder but VEGA did get faster as it had a big load)
the main problem with Nvidia for compute this gen is vram, a lot of compute apps just wont work once you run out of VRAM. It's like a brick wall Nvidia has placed to stop people using RTX cards for compute.
I play with video and now ML is about to go mainstream with video work Nvidia's limits on VRAM are a message that they dont want small players to do compute.
edit using an nvidia 3060ti now and can say 100% that the Nvidia drivers look like something from windows XP, the AMD ones are a bit confusing now as they add extra stuff without a clear UI but the Nvidia ones are like a step back in times.
for drivers AMD win, just wish they made them more easy to navigate.
PPS one API by INTEL if it's open may rock the compute world!
I hope AMD can work with intel on it to make it open, you may get me to upgrade early back to AMD GPU for the VRAM! so i can relay get in to ML.
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To be fair VEGA was made for compute and gaming, using AMD GPU's in a mac pro was amazing Polaris and VEGA are amazing for video work in osx!
no joke AMD gave my macpro 5, 1 an extra few years of video editing.
Nvidia this gen have made a VEGA like GPU, more compute focused. back in the day with the GTX 480/580 Nvidia was a compute king but they moved away from compute towards games in there main stream GPU's with GTX 680 and later.
so it's kind of circles AMD has moved towards optimising for game's and Nvidia has moved towards compute.
you can see it in how the RTX 30XX cards scale better at 4K and worse at 1080p, they only work at full speed with a big load same as VEGA (just at the time 4K was harder but VEGA did get faster as it had a big load)
the main problem with Nvidia for compute this gen is vram, a lot of compute apps just wont work once you run out of VRAM. It's like a brick wall Nvidia has placed to stop people using RTX cards for compute.
I play with video and now ML is about to go mainstream with video work Nvidia's limits on VRAM are a message that they dont want small players to do compute.
edit using an nvidia 3060ti now and can say 100% that the Nvidia drivers look like something from windows XP, the AMD ones are a bit confusing now as they add extra stuff without a clear UI but the Nvidia ones are like a step back in times.
for drivers AMD win, just wish they made them more easy to navigate.
PPS one API by INTEL if it's open may rock the compute world!
I hope AMD can work with intel on it to make it open, you may get me to upgrade early back to AMD GPU for the VRAM! so i can relay get in to ML.
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Andrew
I hope Scott was just having a slightly bad day or something because you can just see the defeat in his face; he knows the 6700 XT reference pricing is not competitive, and don't even tell me what the AIB models will end up costing.
Once Re-Sizeable Bar is fully implemented on the Intel/Nvidia side, AMD's sole advantage will be completely eroded away. Now, consider the hardware/software advantages that AMD will never catch up in: Ray-Tracing, DLSS, Nvidia Broadcast (including the NVENC encoding/RTX Voice. Even prosumer applications (e. g. the Adobe suite) are better optimized for Nvidia GPUs.
And lastly, AMD seems to be extra proud of the fact that they've successfully nerfed mining performance on their products, but what about the gamers who want to mine part-time on their rig to offset these insane prices? I didn't think this would be possible, but Radeon is actually poised to lose even more market share to Team Green.
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I hope Scott was just having a slightly bad day or something because you can just see the defeat in his face; he knows the 6700 XT reference pricing is not competitive, and don't even tell me what the AIB models will end up costing.
Once Re-Sizeable Bar is fully implemented on the Intel/Nvidia side, AMD's sole advantage will be completely eroded away. Now, consider the hardware/software advantages that AMD will never catch up in: Ray-Tracing, DLSS, Nvidia Broadcast (including the NVENC encoding/RTX Voice. Even prosumer applications (e. g. the Adobe suite) are better optimized for Nvidia GPUs.
And lastly, AMD seems to be extra proud of the fact that they've successfully nerfed mining performance on their products, but what about the gamers who want to mine part-time on their rig to offset these insane prices? I didn't think this would be possible, but Radeon is actually poised to lose even more market share to Team Green.
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Jean
Interesting interview though some of my questions remains unanswered.
1) What does he think of the criticism regarding the MSRP being too high? The question was asked but not answered
2) Will the performance for DX11 games improve (i. e. driver updates? Several benchmarks highlighted that the card underperforms on those older games compared to nvidia's. In the interview, he frequently says that his priority is 'the majority' of gamers, and that is why he cares little about stuff like ray tracing. Well, most gamers play DX11 games, so if you want to be coherent, you'd better fix it.
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Interesting interview though some of my questions remains unanswered.
1) What does he think of the criticism regarding the MSRP being too high? The question was asked but not answered
2) Will the performance for DX11 games improve (i. e. driver updates? Several benchmarks highlighted that the card underperforms on those older games compared to nvidia's. In the interview, he frequently says that his priority is 'the majority' of gamers, and that is why he cares little about stuff like ray tracing. Well, most gamers play DX11 games, so if you want to be coherent, you'd better fix it.
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Munchy
Problem is I won't spend 400uk pounds on any gpu in 2021 without ray teaching. Still my next CPU will be either ryzen5900 or 6900 depending on release dates and availability Sorry but it's true for me and it'll be truer for alot more people than you think. Only way I'd consider and cards is same performance I. Rasta at half the price of the Nvidia eqivilant.
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Problem is I won't spend 400uk pounds on any gpu in 2021 without ray teaching. Still my next CPU will be either ryzen5900 or 6900 depending on release dates and availability Sorry but it's true for me and it'll be truer for alot more people than you think. Only way I'd consider and cards is same performance I. Rasta at half the price of the Nvidia eqivilant.
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Lorevet
Saw a patent today from AMD about using Infinity Cache as an intrconnect between GPU chplets, this is so briliant yet simple I'm amazed (and I feel even more dumb for not thinking about it. Now I know what Scott was talking about when he said they are looking at very interesting things about Infinity Cache!
Can't wait to see it in real life!
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Saw a patent today from AMD about using Infinity Cache as an intrconnect between GPU chplets, this is so briliant yet simple I'm amazed (and I feel even more dumb for not thinking about it. Now I know what Scott was talking about when he said they are looking at very interesting things about Infinity Cache!
Can't wait to see it in real life!
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TheSupremeGinge
My niece expects me to play Minecraft with her. So i'
m forced to play on my laptop since it's got a 2060 RTX card in it. I want to play on my PC. I would rather buy an AMD card. But i guess is what I'm hearing is that if you are wanting the best of whatever is new, don't buy AMD.
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My niece expects me to play Minecraft with her. So i'
m forced to play on my laptop since it's got a 2060 RTX card in it. I want to play on my PC. I would rather buy an AMD card. But i guess is what I'm hearing is that if you are wanting the best of whatever is new, don't buy AMD.
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Hell
Official amd partner and Switzerland-s largest online retailer published an article saying they received ZERO cards and invited their customers to sign up to a mailing list to be notified when they might start sales. Have to say I wasn-t expecting miracles but wasn-t expecting no cards at all.
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Official amd partner and Switzerland-s largest online retailer published an article saying they received ZERO cards and invited their customers to sign up to a mailing list to be notified when they might start sales. Have to say I wasn-t expecting miracles but wasn-t expecting no cards at all.
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Bill
Well the damn card is still to expensive, at least for me. They need to ditch the MSRP, change it to MDRP or mfg demanded retail price. I mean screw letting them have free choice because that clearly isn't working out at all. At least for the people who want to just use them for gaming.
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Well the damn card is still to expensive, at least for me. They need to ditch the MSRP, change it to MDRP or mfg demanded retail price. I mean screw letting them have free choice because that clearly isn't working out at all. At least for the people who want to just use them for gaming.
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H. H
Great show really trasnparent always liked Scott tbh i really hope this all goes well for me the 6700xt is awesome as all my games dont have RT or DLSS and i hardly play triple AAA games anymore they are so buggy at launch until atleast 1 year after release more stable they become.
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Great show really trasnparent always liked Scott tbh i really hope this all goes well for me the 6700xt is awesome as all my games dont have RT or DLSS and i hardly play triple AAA games anymore they are so buggy at launch until atleast 1 year after release more stable they become.
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Poopdeck
Damn shame, Vega should easily be able to handle FidelityFX Super Resolution, my custom watercooled, undervolted / overclocked Vega 64 still kicks serious ass and is my favorite card to date. Come on AMD, show some love and toss us a few crumbs will ya!
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Damn shame, Vega should easily be able to handle FidelityFX Super Resolution, my custom watercooled, undervolted / overclocked Vega 64 still kicks serious ass and is my favorite card to date. Come on AMD, show some love and toss us a few crumbs will ya!
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