No: Intel-s 12th-Gen CPUs Aren-t Power Hogs
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Date: 2022-03-15
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itech
You Really Save Power Consumption By Using An APU and Getting Rid of the Graphics Card. The Key To High Performance and Low Power Consumption Is an APU that Does all the Light Work (Office, Browsing, Then Calls on The Specialist GPU to do the Heavy Lifting When Required. The GPU would Then Return To Low Power Mode ( Perhaps Consuming 5 watts, awaiting its next task. I Have Two Computers, One is a MIni Computer and The Other is a XEON DESKTOP With Graphics Card. I was Amazed to see How See How Much Difference in Power Consumption (MONEY) I was Saving Each Day By Using The Mini Computer Most of the Time. My Next Computer Will Be A Mini-Desktop APU computer. I do not Need, and Will Not Buy Another DESKOP with EXPENSIVE TO BUY, EXPENSIVE TO RUN GRAPHICS CARD. For Most PC Users, Graphics Cards are A Thing of The Past, Only Gaming Enthusiasts and Other Specialists will Buy them. This is Especially So With the BLISTERING PERFORMANCE of AMDs APUs.
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You Really Save Power Consumption By Using An APU and Getting Rid of the Graphics Card. The Key To High Performance and Low Power Consumption Is an APU that Does all the Light Work (Office, Browsing, Then Calls on The Specialist GPU to do the Heavy Lifting When Required. The GPU would Then Return To Low Power Mode ( Perhaps Consuming 5 watts, awaiting its next task. I Have Two Computers, One is a MIni Computer and The Other is a XEON DESKTOP With Graphics Card. I was Amazed to see How See How Much Difference in Power Consumption (MONEY) I was Saving Each Day By Using The Mini Computer Most of the Time. My Next Computer Will Be A Mini-Desktop APU computer. I do not Need, and Will Not Buy Another DESKOP with EXPENSIVE TO BUY, EXPENSIVE TO RUN GRAPHICS CARD. For Most PC Users, Graphics Cards are A Thing of The Past, Only Gaming Enthusiasts and Other Specialists will Buy them. This is Especially So With the BLISTERING PERFORMANCE of AMDs APUs.
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Mike
Power is not just about energy at the wall. it's also about thermals, which in my opinion are more important. Too hot and and the CPU needs to throttle so it ends up hitting the performance in the long run. So for gaming, it my lead to things running smooth at first, then becoming jittery. For more sustained tasks, (a long running calculation) it may result in the overall calculation being slower in the long run, despite the power hungry being faster in bursts. It didn't appear that the benchmarks ran so long that thermal equilibrium was achieved. So it's hard to say how the extra peak power impacts performance.
High thermal production has important downsides on the rest of the system. Higher peak power requires higher performance cooling solutions to maintain the same performance, i. e. more cost for beefier coolers, it also leads to heavier and thicker laptops, which are just annoying to carry around.
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Power is not just about energy at the wall. it's also about thermals, which in my opinion are more important. Too hot and and the CPU needs to throttle so it ends up hitting the performance in the long run. So for gaming, it my lead to things running smooth at first, then becoming jittery. For more sustained tasks, (a long running calculation) it may result in the overall calculation being slower in the long run, despite the power hungry being faster in bursts. It didn't appear that the benchmarks ran so long that thermal equilibrium was achieved. So it's hard to say how the extra peak power impacts performance.
High thermal production has important downsides on the rest of the system. Higher peak power requires higher performance cooling solutions to maintain the same performance, i. e. more cost for beefier coolers, it also leads to heavier and thicker laptops, which are just annoying to carry around.
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Sek
I do understand what is tried to be communicated here.
But an example:
2 cars.
1 drive 0 to 100 in 8 seconds.
2 drive 0 to 100 in 12 seconds.
Which car use most fuel?
Normally car number 1. The power injection more fuel to get there faster.
Now I payed power bills for 20 years. And power is much same. The electricity spikes are not chap.
In winter, turn an oven on and off = use more power than leave it on low stabile heat.
So from your graphs ( and my way of thinking ) Intel 12th gen is faster but use more power!
Now if you need a better power supply too eg 1000w instead of 800w it draw more power.
+ components in the computer can become hotter = use more power for cooling.
Not to mention the cost of buying Intel set up.
This video to came out clear that Ryzen is more power - friendly -.
If u want high-power bills go for Intel!
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I do understand what is tried to be communicated here.
But an example:
2 cars.
1 drive 0 to 100 in 8 seconds.
2 drive 0 to 100 in 12 seconds.
Which car use most fuel?
Normally car number 1. The power injection more fuel to get there faster.
Now I payed power bills for 20 years. And power is much same. The electricity spikes are not chap.
In winter, turn an oven on and off = use more power than leave it on low stabile heat.
So from your graphs ( and my way of thinking ) Intel 12th gen is faster but use more power!
Now if you need a better power supply too eg 1000w instead of 800w it draw more power.
+ components in the computer can become hotter = use more power for cooling.
Not to mention the cost of buying Intel set up.
This video to came out clear that Ryzen is more power - friendly -.
If u want high-power bills go for Intel!
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Todor
The problem with the intel power draw, isn't the power draw directly.
The problem is that you have to overspec the motherboard and power supply, to make sure that the PC runs fine. You have to add 200W to the PSU, and 50$ to the mobo price for an equivalent CPU just to be safe.
Pulling 230W on a 150$ motherboard and a 30$ air cooler is problematic. I don't want to spec a system for a friend, and then him downloading a steam game cooks his motherboard.
For example, during gameplay, a friend's 10850K uses 50-85W and runs at 65C. But if I run any multicore load on it, it jumps up to 230W, 100C flat on the CPU in seconds, and the VRM temps keep rising slowly, and they can get in the 105C range in 5 minutes or so. That is a problem.
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The problem with the intel power draw, isn't the power draw directly.
The problem is that you have to overspec the motherboard and power supply, to make sure that the PC runs fine. You have to add 200W to the PSU, and 50$ to the mobo price for an equivalent CPU just to be safe.
Pulling 230W on a 150$ motherboard and a 30$ air cooler is problematic. I don't want to spec a system for a friend, and then him downloading a steam game cooks his motherboard.
For example, during gameplay, a friend's 10850K uses 50-85W and runs at 65C. But if I run any multicore load on it, it jumps up to 230W, 100C flat on the CPU in seconds, and the VRM temps keep rising slowly, and they can get in the 105C range in 5 minutes or so. That is a problem.
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YoltsBp
People get so wrapped up in power draw. Can I ask why? Are you really pinching Pennies like that where you have to worry? More power gets you more performance. I-d rather get my work done faster every day of the week than worry about saving Pennies. According to these guys you can be saving minutes per task and a days worth of work means two things you gets more jobs done or your days worth of work is done sooner. Do more jobs means make more money and getting done sooner means you have more time to live your life the way you want. It-s a win win quit crying people.
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People get so wrapped up in power draw. Can I ask why? Are you really pinching Pennies like that where you have to worry? More power gets you more performance. I-d rather get my work done faster every day of the week than worry about saving Pennies. According to these guys you can be saving minutes per task and a days worth of work means two things you gets more jobs done or your days worth of work is done sooner. Do more jobs means make more money and getting done sooner means you have more time to live your life the way you want. It-s a win win quit crying people.
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Mr.
High electric bills lol. let's say the Ryzen 5950X is 700W (CPU/GPU/Peripherals) vs an Intel 12900K with 1000W (CPU/GPU/Peripherals. typical rate in CA is $0. 20 per kwh. so if you gamed on the Ryzen. $0. 14 per hour and on the Intel. $0. 20 cents lol. pretty much no difference. This goes for any Mac M1 Pro/Max claims of saving costs on their power bills. it's BS because in the end the cost is still low. Electric Bills are not calculated based on total connected load, but rather on kwh consumption rate.
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High electric bills lol. let's say the Ryzen 5950X is 700W (CPU/GPU/Peripherals) vs an Intel 12900K with 1000W (CPU/GPU/Peripherals. typical rate in CA is $0. 20 per kwh. so if you gamed on the Ryzen. $0. 14 per hour and on the Intel. $0. 20 cents lol. pretty much no difference. This goes for any Mac M1 Pro/Max claims of saving costs on their power bills. it's BS because in the end the cost is still low. Electric Bills are not calculated based on total connected load, but rather on kwh consumption rate.
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Deren
Reading all the comments clearly show that many do not know how to interpret graphs, for example, the Cinebench 10 min run, Intel might use more power(240w) but it renders 14 frames which is 5 frames more than AMD at 9 frames but consumed less power(170w, therefore to measure efficiency, Intel uses 40% more power to render 55% more frames, therefore Intel is more efficient per frame render. Case closed, Intel is more power efficient.
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Reading all the comments clearly show that many do not know how to interpret graphs, for example, the Cinebench 10 min run, Intel might use more power(240w) but it renders 14 frames which is 5 frames more than AMD at 9 frames but consumed less power(170w, therefore to measure efficiency, Intel uses 40% more power to render 55% more frames, therefore Intel is more efficient per frame render. Case closed, Intel is more power efficient.
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Michael
With the data you collected, you should be able to calculate kWh used for each task. Then you could use the average rate for electricity in the US (10. 42 cents or $0. 142 per kWh. Then you could say the Ryzen used $X for these tasks while Intel used $y dollars. -Instead we got, maybe Intel uses less but IDK because I didn't do any math. - Can you publish the raw data?
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With the data you collected, you should be able to calculate kWh used for each task. Then you could use the average rate for electricity in the US (10. 42 cents or $0. 142 per kWh. Then you could say the Ryzen used $X for these tasks while Intel used $y dollars. -Instead we got, maybe Intel uses less but IDK because I didn't do any math. - Can you publish the raw data?
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KraziAgentAdam
how about you set both pcs to teh same clocks /Multipliers, aka ( Ryzen and Alderlake to both run - 4. 6ghz all core ( and or run all core on both - 3. 8 -4. 2 ghz) with both boosting to the same single core multiplyer on boost clocks for Single thread and see which actually is faster and more efficiant. i bet the ryzen is
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how about you set both pcs to teh same clocks /Multipliers, aka ( Ryzen and Alderlake to both run - 4. 6ghz all core ( and or run all core on both - 3. 8 -4. 2 ghz) with both boosting to the same single core multiplyer on boost clocks for Single thread and see which actually is faster and more efficiant. i bet the ryzen is
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Jeffrey
The chip that uses more energy to accomplish the same task is the -power hog. - Intel is not on the same node as AMD. It cannot help but draw more power. I know that we live in a dystopian world where black is white and words no longer have meaning, but seriously. Are you on the take from Intel?
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The chip that uses more energy to accomplish the same task is the -power hog. - Intel is not on the same node as AMD. It cannot help but draw more power. I know that we live in a dystopian world where black is white and words no longer have meaning, but seriously. Are you on the take from Intel?
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