Tesla Model 3 Range Test Explained Your Mileage May Vary
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Date: 2019-05-30
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Toyota Fan
Why electric car is only a fashion icon & not yet a mature choice. Electric & Hybrid cars cancel all the advantages, they provide. Will not bring you any profits for long term owning & electrics will limited you at your travels. Also, its not enough greener from other choices. So, trying to help peoples here, i will post my comments from other reviews. Its my opinion. respect it, please. I will respect yours. Lets start. So, if i want an electric car. I must invest more money for photovoltaics or charge it home for cheaper usage. But what about if i am traveling? Also, i must go live at a place who has several charging stations. 30 min-1 hour waiting & energy price isnt cheap. I will travel only at areas near charging spots. Its too early for these kinds of vehicles. Maybe after 10 years. costs. reliability. environmental friendly. charging network. will be ready & affordable for costumers, to own electric car. About the hybrids. Yes, you can travel. But, after the warranty, finishes. - you have to pay for new battery pack. extra cost- plus the engine maintenance. extra cost. - plus, the extra cost of paying for inverter, electric motor, any kind of electronic components will fail. Have you see the prices of parts? Inverters start from 3. 000 - 5. 000. overheating failures. For example, first generations of Prius had problems. How is the cost of electronics? The electric motor? Labor is expensive. The last years, gasoline /deisel engines, are more environmentally friendly. Emission policy is strict for the motors. Batteries is a complex manageable & non -100% environmentally friendly material. The production /destruction /processing raw materials affects environment. Battery management, chemical residues. Three factors account for this. Firstly, producing an electric vehicle contributes, on average, twice as much to global warming potential and uses double the amount of energy than producing a combustion engine car. This is mainly because of its battery. In fact, manufacturing an electric vehicle generates more carbon emissions than building a conventional car mostly because of its battery. Secondly, the carbon footprint of batteries in electric/hybrid vehicles. They are the main reason why electric vehicles can generatemorecarbon emissions over their lifecycle from procurement of raw materials to manufacturing, use and recycling than petrol or diesel cars. Thirdly, recycling lithium costsfive times as muchas extracting virgin material. Just do research like i was doin, to see if really worths own electric/hybrid. In Germany, just to build each car batteryweighing upwards of 500 kilograms (1, 100 pounds) in size for sport-utility vehicleswould emit up to 74% more C02 than producing an efficient conventional car if its made in a factory powered by fossil fuels. It takes nine years for an electric car to be greener than a diesel car, assuming an annual average mileage of 13, 500 km. But, when the capacity of electric car batteries drops below 20-60% after about 10 years of use, they loose their autonomy. So, when a electric car starts to be greener, maybe affordable (if luckily doesnt have failures of electronics-electric systems, to own it. you have to pay for new battery pack. its so ridiculous. Manufacturing an electric car pumps out significantly more climate-warming gases than a conventional car, which releases only 20% of its lifetime C02 at this stage, according to estimates of Mercedes-Benzs electric-drive system integration department. The production of electric vehicles currently poses the biggest environmental problem. According to Institute for Building Physics, it takes more than twice the amount of energy to produce an electric car as a conventional one. The main reason for that is the battery. The institute estimates that each kilowatt hour of battery capacity involves 125 kilograms (276 pounds) of CO2 emissions. Some factories build solar plants. but the demand /amount of energy, electric cars needs to be built, is huge in numbers & cannot cover whole production. Only a part of it. Electric car doesnt need gas, but it still might get its energy from burning carbon. It depends on how your local grid generates electricity. If you use coal-fired power plants to produce the electricity, then all-electrics dont even look that much better than a traditional vehicle in terms of greenhouse gases. You want to be better friendly environment? Buy new CNG or LPG car or install LPG system by an experienced professional mechanic. CNG is compressed natural gas methane. LPG is liquefied petroleum gas propane. So. engine will last longer. lower emissions. lower pollution. burns better inside engine. more efficient if it set up good. cheap to buy than gasoline (at most countries. While propane vehicles can cost several thousand dollars more than comparable gasoline vehicles, the cost of the fuel itself is typically lower than that of gasoline, so the return on investment can be quick. Not like the electric cars. Propane typically costs less per gallon than gasoline and offers a comparable driving range to conventional fuel. Propanes lower British thermal unit (Btu) rating per gallon results in lower fuel economy, but its lower per-gallon cost can quickly offset the lower fuel economy. The potential for lower maintenance costs makes propane a popular choice for high-mileage vehicles. Propanes high octane rating, combined with its low-carbon and low oil-contamination characteristics, has resulted in improved engine life compared to conventional gasoline engines. Cold-start problems can often be reduced as well. This is because the fuels mixture (propane and air) is completely gaseous when entering the engines combustion chamber, and propane engines do not require an enriched fuel mixture during cold-weather startups the way other, liquid-fueled engines do. Compared with vehicles fueled by conventional diesel and gasoline, propane vehicles can produce lower amounts of some harmful air pollutants and greenhouse gases, depending on vehicle type, drive cycle, and engine calibration. LPG burns cleaner than petrol and therefore the emission of particulates is very low. Moreover, LPGis non-toxic, non-corrosive and free oftetra-ethyl leadandadditives. It also has a highoctane rating (Theoctane ratingis a measure of how likely a gasoline or liquid petroleum fuel is to self ignite. The higher the number, the less likely an engine is to pre-ignite and suffer damage. In terms of fuel costs, LPG costs a little more than half the price of petrol or diesel, but the fuel economy is about 20-25% lower. Therefore you can get much more bang for your buck or in-vehicle parlance, more miles per gallon. Overall running costs of an LPG car is approx. a third less than a petrol-only car but only once youve recovered the cost of the conversion. After all. No matter the type. Battery will be always battery with their disadvantages following. +200-500 kg weightLimited cycles of chargingLimited battery life Complicated electronics & electric systems. Expensive to repair Cost of a normal car is very low. Just take a look the prices for electric & electronic parts from hybrids or electric cars. Also, labor hour price, is higher. Electric, electronics you think will never failed? Oh yes, they will. Do you know how much it costs an inverter for hybrid? Lots of thousands. fails because of the overheating. How much costs the electric motors? The electronics from Tesla or any brand? When the guarantee ends, the problems will start. The battery pack has limited time. 10-15 years. then, what? The cost for lithium pack is 2/5 the price of the car. I could change the whole engine & several times the transmission at 1/4 of the price you would payed & maintain an electric car. The heat & cooling, battery pack system, only helps from no overheating through the charging or at cold - warm weather conditions for li-ion cells. Lithium technology is sensitive & without a good conditioning system, the batteries will fail very early compare to NiMH cells. So, its nothing special, it DOESNT extends cells life more. IT MAINTAINS ONLY the intial certain battery life cycle. Also, Tesla says. 1. 000. 000 miles guarantee. I say. you can make 2. 000. 000 miles in first years, no big problem for the battery. The 1. 000. 000 miles guarantee is just a marketing trick. Its the TIME, it matters. Batteries have limited time life. Toyota & Lexus are known for their legendary reliability. Also, Honda produces reliable cars but only with the manual transmissions. I have a Toyota, is 10 years old, with no problems, of course. - Toyota gasoline car, means i will be fine for 20 or 30 more years. with the engine. or any other part. - I bought it at the 1/2 of the price than electric car from luxury fancy brands. - It will last at least twice as longer with the less payments. - I can take all my family for long trips. any place i wish. - No worries for charging stations - No wait until theyre charged. - More people inside car, more weight, less battery autonomy with electric. - If something happen with car, any service center can fix it cheap, fast at reasonable price. - No need for super experienced mechanics to diagnose which problem at electronics happens with the electric cars. - If you have Tesla. only Tesla service center will fix it. - You can order only from Tesla parts. - Usually, long waiting time for the new part. Finally, as i already post it, before. Owning a gasoline edition or deisel for making very much long trips, is the good option. Also, LPG / CNG is promising technology. Cheaper to buy, maintain, owning. Generally, buy only from brand who produces reliable vehicles. Choose manual transmission = lower maintenance costs for long life owning. Do usual service. youre done. Respect your hard earned money.
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Why electric car is only a fashion icon & not yet a mature choice. Electric & Hybrid cars cancel all the advantages, they provide. Will not bring you any profits for long term owning & electrics will limited you at your travels. Also, its not enough greener from other choices. So, trying to help peoples here, i will post my comments from other reviews. Its my opinion. respect it, please. I will respect yours. Lets start. So, if i want an electric car. I must invest more money for photovoltaics or charge it home for cheaper usage. But what about if i am traveling? Also, i must go live at a place who has several charging stations. 30 min-1 hour waiting & energy price isnt cheap. I will travel only at areas near charging spots. Its too early for these kinds of vehicles. Maybe after 10 years. costs. reliability. environmental friendly. charging network. will be ready & affordable for costumers, to own electric car. About the hybrids. Yes, you can travel. But, after the warranty, finishes. - you have to pay for new battery pack. extra cost- plus the engine maintenance. extra cost. - plus, the extra cost of paying for inverter, electric motor, any kind of electronic components will fail. Have you see the prices of parts? Inverters start from 3. 000 - 5. 000. overheating failures. For example, first generations of Prius had problems. How is the cost of electronics? The electric motor? Labor is expensive. The last years, gasoline /deisel engines, are more environmentally friendly. Emission policy is strict for the motors. Batteries is a complex manageable & non -100% environmentally friendly material. The production /destruction /processing raw materials affects environment. Battery management, chemical residues. Three factors account for this. Firstly, producing an electric vehicle contributes, on average, twice as much to global warming potential and uses double the amount of energy than producing a combustion engine car. This is mainly because of its battery. In fact, manufacturing an electric vehicle generates more carbon emissions than building a conventional car mostly because of its battery. Secondly, the carbon footprint of batteries in electric/hybrid vehicles. They are the main reason why electric vehicles can generatemorecarbon emissions over their lifecycle from procurement of raw materials to manufacturing, use and recycling than petrol or diesel cars. Thirdly, recycling lithium costsfive times as muchas extracting virgin material. Just do research like i was doin, to see if really worths own electric/hybrid. In Germany, just to build each car batteryweighing upwards of 500 kilograms (1, 100 pounds) in size for sport-utility vehicleswould emit up to 74% more C02 than producing an efficient conventional car if its made in a factory powered by fossil fuels. It takes nine years for an electric car to be greener than a diesel car, assuming an annual average mileage of 13, 500 km. But, when the capacity of electric car batteries drops below 20-60% after about 10 years of use, they loose their autonomy. So, when a electric car starts to be greener, maybe affordable (if luckily doesnt have failures of electronics-electric systems, to own it. you have to pay for new battery pack. its so ridiculous. Manufacturing an electric car pumps out significantly more climate-warming gases than a conventional car, which releases only 20% of its lifetime C02 at this stage, according to estimates of Mercedes-Benzs electric-drive system integration department. The production of electric vehicles currently poses the biggest environmental problem. According to Institute for Building Physics, it takes more than twice the amount of energy to produce an electric car as a conventional one. The main reason for that is the battery. The institute estimates that each kilowatt hour of battery capacity involves 125 kilograms (276 pounds) of CO2 emissions. Some factories build solar plants. but the demand /amount of energy, electric cars needs to be built, is huge in numbers & cannot cover whole production. Only a part of it. Electric car doesnt need gas, but it still might get its energy from burning carbon. It depends on how your local grid generates electricity. If you use coal-fired power plants to produce the electricity, then all-electrics dont even look that much better than a traditional vehicle in terms of greenhouse gases. You want to be better friendly environment? Buy new CNG or LPG car or install LPG system by an experienced professional mechanic. CNG is compressed natural gas methane. LPG is liquefied petroleum gas propane. So. engine will last longer. lower emissions. lower pollution. burns better inside engine. more efficient if it set up good. cheap to buy than gasoline (at most countries. While propane vehicles can cost several thousand dollars more than comparable gasoline vehicles, the cost of the fuel itself is typically lower than that of gasoline, so the return on investment can be quick. Not like the electric cars. Propane typically costs less per gallon than gasoline and offers a comparable driving range to conventional fuel. Propanes lower British thermal unit (Btu) rating per gallon results in lower fuel economy, but its lower per-gallon cost can quickly offset the lower fuel economy. The potential for lower maintenance costs makes propane a popular choice for high-mileage vehicles. Propanes high octane rating, combined with its low-carbon and low oil-contamination characteristics, has resulted in improved engine life compared to conventional gasoline engines. Cold-start problems can often be reduced as well. This is because the fuels mixture (propane and air) is completely gaseous when entering the engines combustion chamber, and propane engines do not require an enriched fuel mixture during cold-weather startups the way other, liquid-fueled engines do. Compared with vehicles fueled by conventional diesel and gasoline, propane vehicles can produce lower amounts of some harmful air pollutants and greenhouse gases, depending on vehicle type, drive cycle, and engine calibration. LPG burns cleaner than petrol and therefore the emission of particulates is very low. Moreover, LPGis non-toxic, non-corrosive and free oftetra-ethyl leadandadditives. It also has a highoctane rating (Theoctane ratingis a measure of how likely a gasoline or liquid petroleum fuel is to self ignite. The higher the number, the less likely an engine is to pre-ignite and suffer damage. In terms of fuel costs, LPG costs a little more than half the price of petrol or diesel, but the fuel economy is about 20-25% lower. Therefore you can get much more bang for your buck or in-vehicle parlance, more miles per gallon. Overall running costs of an LPG car is approx. a third less than a petrol-only car but only once youve recovered the cost of the conversion. After all. No matter the type. Battery will be always battery with their disadvantages following. +200-500 kg weightLimited cycles of chargingLimited battery life Complicated electronics & electric systems. Expensive to repair Cost of a normal car is very low. Just take a look the prices for electric & electronic parts from hybrids or electric cars. Also, labor hour price, is higher. Electric, electronics you think will never failed? Oh yes, they will. Do you know how much it costs an inverter for hybrid? Lots of thousands. fails because of the overheating. How much costs the electric motors? The electronics from Tesla or any brand? When the guarantee ends, the problems will start. The battery pack has limited time. 10-15 years. then, what? The cost for lithium pack is 2/5 the price of the car. I could change the whole engine & several times the transmission at 1/4 of the price you would payed & maintain an electric car. The heat & cooling, battery pack system, only helps from no overheating through the charging or at cold - warm weather conditions for li-ion cells. Lithium technology is sensitive & without a good conditioning system, the batteries will fail very early compare to NiMH cells. So, its nothing special, it DOESNT extends cells life more. IT MAINTAINS ONLY the intial certain battery life cycle. Also, Tesla says. 1. 000. 000 miles guarantee. I say. you can make 2. 000. 000 miles in first years, no big problem for the battery. The 1. 000. 000 miles guarantee is just a marketing trick. Its the TIME, it matters. Batteries have limited time life. Toyota & Lexus are known for their legendary reliability. Also, Honda produces reliable cars but only with the manual transmissions. I have a Toyota, is 10 years old, with no problems, of course. - Toyota gasoline car, means i will be fine for 20 or 30 more years. with the engine. or any other part. - I bought it at the 1/2 of the price than electric car from luxury fancy brands. - It will last at least twice as longer with the less payments. - I can take all my family for long trips. any place i wish. - No worries for charging stations - No wait until theyre charged. - More people inside car, more weight, less battery autonomy with electric. - If something happen with car, any service center can fix it cheap, fast at reasonable price. - No need for super experienced mechanics to diagnose which problem at electronics happens with the electric cars. - If you have Tesla. only Tesla service center will fix it. - You can order only from Tesla parts. - Usually, long waiting time for the new part. Finally, as i already post it, before. Owning a gasoline edition or deisel for making very much long trips, is the good option. Also, LPG / CNG is promising technology. Cheaper to buy, maintain, owning. Generally, buy only from brand who produces reliable vehicles. Choose manual transmission = lower maintenance costs for long life owning. Do usual service. youre done. Respect your hard earned money.
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Roger Ikeda
There are are at least 3 mistakes in this video. 1. The percentage of battery left on the display is often not very accurate, some people have gone many miles at speed after it hits zero and sone run out of battery while the display show many miles left. 2. The graphic says that 133 MPGe corresponds to 3. 94 mi/kWh. This is correct using the EP assumption of 33. 7kWh/(gallon of gasoline. The next equation states that 240mi/50kWh = 4. 8 mi/ kWh which is obviously true. The problem is that in the first case you are using energy measured from the wall outlet and the second case you are measuring energy stored in the battery. Using Teslas Model 3 SR+ EPA application dated 2/26/2019 found on the EPA website, charging efficiency is 87. 7%, mileage is 135MPGe, which results in 4. 57mi/kWh. 3. The EPA Model 3 SR+ documents state the battery capacity at 54. 5 kWh. (measured by running the battery until the car can not maintain testing speed. Musk May have said at one point the battery is about 50kWh but I trust what they tell the EPA. So using the EPA test application results of 248mi of range we get, 248mi/54. 5kWh gives 4. 55 mi/kWh. This closely agrees with 4. 57 mi/kWh calculated above. I dont know why the document submitted by Tesla states 135MPGe instead of the 133MPGe on the sticker. My SR+ car bought in March has 134MPGe on the sticker so some adjustments have been made. That the 248mi tested range differs from the 240 mi sticker range may be related to the adjustments or Tesla may have chosen to understate the tested range as they are allowed to do. By the way, over the life of our 2 month old car we are getting 217 Wh/mi or 4. 61mi/kWh in mostly city driving. Another piece of information that may help you in determining where you went wrong is that it took 62. 0 kWh to the completely recharge the battery in the EPA test. Otherwise a very nice review (really.
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There are are at least 3 mistakes in this video. 1. The percentage of battery left on the display is often not very accurate, some people have gone many miles at speed after it hits zero and sone run out of battery while the display show many miles left. 2. The graphic says that 133 MPGe corresponds to 3. 94 mi/kWh. This is correct using the EP assumption of 33. 7kWh/(gallon of gasoline. The next equation states that 240mi/50kWh = 4. 8 mi/ kWh which is obviously true. The problem is that in the first case you are using energy measured from the wall outlet and the second case you are measuring energy stored in the battery. Using Teslas Model 3 SR+ EPA application dated 2/26/2019 found on the EPA website, charging efficiency is 87. 7%, mileage is 135MPGe, which results in 4. 57mi/kWh. 3. The EPA Model 3 SR+ documents state the battery capacity at 54. 5 kWh. (measured by running the battery until the car can not maintain testing speed. Musk May have said at one point the battery is about 50kWh but I trust what they tell the EPA. So using the EPA test application results of 248mi of range we get, 248mi/54. 5kWh gives 4. 55 mi/kWh. This closely agrees with 4. 57 mi/kWh calculated above. I dont know why the document submitted by Tesla states 135MPGe instead of the 133MPGe on the sticker. My SR+ car bought in March has 134MPGe on the sticker so some adjustments have been made. That the 248mi tested range differs from the 240 mi sticker range may be related to the adjustments or Tesla may have chosen to understate the tested range as they are allowed to do. By the way, over the life of our 2 month old car we are getting 217 Wh/mi or 4. 61mi/kWh in mostly city driving. Another piece of information that may help you in determining where you went wrong is that it took 62. 0 kWh to the completely recharge the battery in the EPA test. Otherwise a very nice review (really.
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Ryan Thompson
First question: When did Alex get a SR+? He was very clear they bought the 35, 000 Model 3 which would be a software limited Standard Range Plus. Did they change tune and pay the extra money? If not, we can assume this car is NOT a standard range plus. It was announced that Tesla would software limit the SR+ in the future and maybe that has happened already and Tesla made no mention of it? The car could update at any time and never tell you. Second question: How are you driving to get 263wh/mi? At nearly 80mph for a 600 mile road trip I was barely in the 280s. That includes 300 miles to my destination with all sorts of elevation changes (start at about 4500 feet, climb to 6500 feet and drop to 2500 feet) but dropping about 2000 feet overall. On the way home I had to make up that 2000 foot drop and still my average was barely more than Alexs 263. At 70mph my efficiency was much better. Third: my own opinion is that Alexs Model 3 is actually limited by about 20% and not the 10% we were told they would limit the standard range. That lines up perfectly with the 192 miles of range. Is it possible the software limiting also hurt efficiency? I really dont know enough about that and thus why I am asking. Finally: I will snap some pics of my Model 3s readings and send them in. My numbers include the 600 mile road trip plus about 700 miles of work commuting where I constantly see below 200wh/mi. I drop about 150 feet in elevation coming to work and then make it back up going home. Temperatures range from 45F to 75F on my daily commute right now. On the road trip it was in the 80s for about 33% of the trip. So the heater and A/C have been used. The seat heaters are even used from time to time.
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First question: When did Alex get a SR+? He was very clear they bought the 35, 000 Model 3 which would be a software limited Standard Range Plus. Did they change tune and pay the extra money? If not, we can assume this car is NOT a standard range plus. It was announced that Tesla would software limit the SR+ in the future and maybe that has happened already and Tesla made no mention of it? The car could update at any time and never tell you. Second question: How are you driving to get 263wh/mi? At nearly 80mph for a 600 mile road trip I was barely in the 280s. That includes 300 miles to my destination with all sorts of elevation changes (start at about 4500 feet, climb to 6500 feet and drop to 2500 feet) but dropping about 2000 feet overall. On the way home I had to make up that 2000 foot drop and still my average was barely more than Alexs 263. At 70mph my efficiency was much better. Third: my own opinion is that Alexs Model 3 is actually limited by about 20% and not the 10% we were told they would limit the standard range. That lines up perfectly with the 192 miles of range. Is it possible the software limiting also hurt efficiency? I really dont know enough about that and thus why I am asking. Finally: I will snap some pics of my Model 3s readings and send them in. My numbers include the 600 mile road trip plus about 700 miles of work commuting where I constantly see below 200wh/mi. I drop about 150 feet in elevation coming to work and then make it back up going home. Temperatures range from 45F to 75F on my daily commute right now. On the road trip it was in the 80s for about 33% of the trip. So the heater and A/C have been used. The seat heaters are even used from time to time.
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Sotiris G.
Another video full of your subjective unsubstantiated estimates with no proof. 1) Smaller battery does automatically equate to less range. See the ipace model x comparisons for real world proof not guestimates without a single piece of evidence. Teslas motor and battery technology is by far the most advanced in the world, something that experts all around the world recognize. 2) Where does Tesla state that the in car consumption estimates are based on crowdsourced data (according to Tesla The calculation is an estimate based on driving style (predicted speed, etc) and environmental factors (elevation changes, weather, etc. There are countless videos showing Teslas achieving well below 15kwh/100km under normal driving conditions and long trips, which is the average efficiency value calculated by EPA and Euro ratings. 15kwh/100km isnthe value used by Tesla for its constant range. 3) What does your normal driving mean (when at the same time you show us your previous very spirited driving in the Tesla, was Regen on full under all measurements between cars? Can normal driving between a sport sedan and an uninspiring econobox be the same? Is there any video of the Kona achieving 240+ miles under similar driving conditions?
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Another video full of your subjective unsubstantiated estimates with no proof. 1) Smaller battery does automatically equate to less range. See the ipace model x comparisons for real world proof not guestimates without a single piece of evidence. Teslas motor and battery technology is by far the most advanced in the world, something that experts all around the world recognize. 2) Where does Tesla state that the in car consumption estimates are based on crowdsourced data (according to Tesla The calculation is an estimate based on driving style (predicted speed, etc) and environmental factors (elevation changes, weather, etc. There are countless videos showing Teslas achieving well below 15kwh/100km under normal driving conditions and long trips, which is the average efficiency value calculated by EPA and Euro ratings. 15kwh/100km isnthe value used by Tesla for its constant range. 3) What does your normal driving mean (when at the same time you show us your previous very spirited driving in the Tesla, was Regen on full under all measurements between cars? Can normal driving between a sport sedan and an uninspiring econobox be the same? Is there any video of the Kona achieving 240+ miles under similar driving conditions?
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Samuel Robinson
This is currently my main issue with fully electric vehicles on the market. I often refer to them as rich-boy boy toys because for the average consumer theyre completely impractical insofar as their range is concerned. Unless you live in a fairly progressive city such as Austin Texas, there are very few places which offer recharge services. And even then, they are usually only placed outside of places such as supermarkets because of the time it takes to actually recharge the vehicle a sufficient amount. Until the day comes where recharge stations are as abundant as gas stations and quick charges take 5 minutes or less, I cant fathom a reason to own a fully electric vehicle as your sole means of transportation. 190 - 200 miles to a charge simply isnt good enough for a vehicle that costs 70 - 80, 000 USD UNLESS you ONLY ever intend to do around town driving. And even then, youd be smart to own a conventional fuel powered vehicle as a backup. Gas-electric hybrid vehicles such as the Ford Fusion Energi, in my mind as an average commuting American, are far better for your dollar. I can get from 490 upwards of 540 miles for 25 worth of fuel. And the car only cost me a fraction of the price a Tesla would have.
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This is currently my main issue with fully electric vehicles on the market. I often refer to them as rich-boy boy toys because for the average consumer theyre completely impractical insofar as their range is concerned. Unless you live in a fairly progressive city such as Austin Texas, there are very few places which offer recharge services. And even then, they are usually only placed outside of places such as supermarkets because of the time it takes to actually recharge the vehicle a sufficient amount. Until the day comes where recharge stations are as abundant as gas stations and quick charges take 5 minutes or less, I cant fathom a reason to own a fully electric vehicle as your sole means of transportation. 190 - 200 miles to a charge simply isnt good enough for a vehicle that costs 70 - 80, 000 USD UNLESS you ONLY ever intend to do around town driving. And even then, youd be smart to own a conventional fuel powered vehicle as a backup. Gas-electric hybrid vehicles such as the Ford Fusion Energi, in my mind as an average commuting American, are far better for your dollar. I can get from 490 upwards of 540 miles for 25 worth of fuel. And the car only cost me a fraction of the price a Tesla would have.
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Glenn Millam
My personal use shows a lot has to do with how I drive it. Driving from and to Cincinnati in my Mid-Range the other day using Autopilot on the highways at 70 mph and driving normally on the side roads, I was getting 120% driving efficiency (essentially 20% more range than what it was rated) with a functional 162. 0 MPGe. Today, I was a bit more aggressive and had the A/C blasting, and I was getting a 94. 5% efficiency (127. 5 MPGe. Readers unaware of how EVs work, city driving is more efficient because EVs dont idle at stops. This fact makes the long highway trip even more remarkable. A good app for tracking your efficiency is an iOS app named Stats. It accesses your cars own data and on-the-fly calculates efficiency, how much you are paying for charging the vehicle, and how this compares to how much you would be paying in a car of a given MPG. It compares your cars performance to the average of other Stats users, letting you know if you can improve. It also has a lot of other functions, including setting your car to automatically cool/warm the car cabin at specific times (like 15 minutes before you leave for work. I see it as a must have for anyone with an iPhone who owns a Tesla vehicle.
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My personal use shows a lot has to do with how I drive it. Driving from and to Cincinnati in my Mid-Range the other day using Autopilot on the highways at 70 mph and driving normally on the side roads, I was getting 120% driving efficiency (essentially 20% more range than what it was rated) with a functional 162. 0 MPGe. Today, I was a bit more aggressive and had the A/C blasting, and I was getting a 94. 5% efficiency (127. 5 MPGe. Readers unaware of how EVs work, city driving is more efficient because EVs dont idle at stops. This fact makes the long highway trip even more remarkable. A good app for tracking your efficiency is an iOS app named Stats. It accesses your cars own data and on-the-fly calculates efficiency, how much you are paying for charging the vehicle, and how this compares to how much you would be paying in a car of a given MPG. It compares your cars performance to the average of other Stats users, letting you know if you can improve. It also has a lot of other functions, including setting your car to automatically cool/warm the car cabin at specific times (like 15 minutes before you leave for work. I see it as a must have for anyone with an iPhone who owns a Tesla vehicle.
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Mike G
This range test is overly complicated. The real thing EV owners want to know is how far can they go at sustained highway speeds between charges. Daily driving with a mix of city and highway will be well below 200 miles for most people. It is the road trip that causes range anxiety. I would like to see a simple 100 mile stretch of flat highway covered on cruise control at 70 mph with climate control set to 70 degrees and air temp around 70. Then turn around and go back the same way to negate most wind and elevation impact. Upon return to starting point (which should be a charge station) analyze remaining range indicated. Have a flatbed ready by the finish line just in case. I do appreciate the thoroughness of your testing, I just think it should be a highway only test, as that is the only time range really becomes an issue for EV drivers with todays 200+ mile range EVs. Thanks for putting this video together.
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This range test is overly complicated. The real thing EV owners want to know is how far can they go at sustained highway speeds between charges. Daily driving with a mix of city and highway will be well below 200 miles for most people. It is the road trip that causes range anxiety. I would like to see a simple 100 mile stretch of flat highway covered on cruise control at 70 mph with climate control set to 70 degrees and air temp around 70. Then turn around and go back the same way to negate most wind and elevation impact. Upon return to starting point (which should be a charge station) analyze remaining range indicated. Have a flatbed ready by the finish line just in case. I do appreciate the thoroughness of your testing, I just think it should be a highway only test, as that is the only time range really becomes an issue for EV drivers with todays 200+ mile range EVs. Thanks for putting this video together.
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JRoque250
Excellent review carrying empirical data evidence, and way better than how Consumer Reports feel one way or another in their ratings. Heres one angle to consider: at least in the US, all other cars besides the Tesla really have 1/2 of their stated range. Thats because their only reliable charge point is at their homes. They charge their car, drive somewhere to half their range and have to come back home to charge again. For your real world trip computer result, care should be used in examining submissions from Tesla owners. I have a recent 1800 mile trip in my Model 3 that shows 267 Wh/mile. But that means nothing because Tesla owners can and do drive as fast as possible between chargers as it is more time efficient. Bottom line, your Model 3 can drive 190 miles away from your home and find a reliable charger there to drive another 190 miles in the same direction.
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Excellent review carrying empirical data evidence, and way better than how Consumer Reports feel one way or another in their ratings. Heres one angle to consider: at least in the US, all other cars besides the Tesla really have 1/2 of their stated range. Thats because their only reliable charge point is at their homes. They charge their car, drive somewhere to half their range and have to come back home to charge again. For your real world trip computer result, care should be used in examining submissions from Tesla owners. I have a recent 1800 mile trip in my Model 3 that shows 267 Wh/mile. But that means nothing because Tesla owners can and do drive as fast as possible between chargers as it is more time efficient. Bottom line, your Model 3 can drive 190 miles away from your home and find a reliable charger there to drive another 190 miles in the same direction.
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Filip Bjurling
Youre just making me even more upset First: Stop using the brake pedal when driving Teslas. Have regen on standard and only use regen. The brake pedal in the teslas only uses friction brakes. Secondly: youre using the trip computer to try to justify the range that youve measured by choosing a route with highway all the way. Stay below 70 mph to reach your destination. Of course you cant go 75 mph and think that you can go 200 miles + on a full charge. Try doing that with the niro and youll only achieve about 170 miles Im sure. Third: your energy use is very high compared to every other Sr+ Ive seen. To not be able to go at least 5 miles/kWh with mixed easy driving with the model 3 is really bad. Do another test. Take the cars side by side to one of those super chargers that you navigated to in the trip computer and see which car gets the better range.
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Youre just making me even more upset First: Stop using the brake pedal when driving Teslas. Have regen on standard and only use regen. The brake pedal in the teslas only uses friction brakes. Secondly: youre using the trip computer to try to justify the range that youve measured by choosing a route with highway all the way. Stay below 70 mph to reach your destination. Of course you cant go 75 mph and think that you can go 200 miles + on a full charge. Try doing that with the niro and youll only achieve about 170 miles Im sure. Third: your energy use is very high compared to every other Sr+ Ive seen. To not be able to go at least 5 miles/kWh with mixed easy driving with the model 3 is really bad. Do another test. Take the cars side by side to one of those super chargers that you navigated to in the trip computer and see which car gets the better range.
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Rani Glaser
Alex - excellent review. I believe the discrepancy you see between EPA and the navigation estimate is the SPEED. As Im sure you know, the faster you go the more energy (battery) you use. EPA is a mix of city and highway driving. Thus, it shows 240 range. Driving to Atascadero would be all on highway, and since Tesla knows real world speeds, probably estimates at 75mph. Thats exactly why estimate is about 20% less. This is common to all EVs (and gas cars) so its not surprising. The bottom line is that as a consumer, if you plan on driving mostly on highway, assume 20-25% less range for all EVs. However, given Tesla has the fastest charging network (and will improve with SuperCharger v3) I dont think range is that much of an issue. Tesla 3 with v3 adds about 150 mile in 10 minutes - almost equivalent to gas cars (if you include time to swipe card etc.
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Alex - excellent review. I believe the discrepancy you see between EPA and the navigation estimate is the SPEED. As Im sure you know, the faster you go the more energy (battery) you use. EPA is a mix of city and highway driving. Thus, it shows 240 range. Driving to Atascadero would be all on highway, and since Tesla knows real world speeds, probably estimates at 75mph. Thats exactly why estimate is about 20% less. This is common to all EVs (and gas cars) so its not surprising. The bottom line is that as a consumer, if you plan on driving mostly on highway, assume 20-25% less range for all EVs. However, given Tesla has the fastest charging network (and will improve with SuperCharger v3) I dont think range is that much of an issue. Tesla 3 with v3 adds about 150 mile in 10 minutes - almost equivalent to gas cars (if you include time to swipe card etc.
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