2019 Kia Niro EV The Mainstream EV To Watch
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Date: 2019-05-30
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mcgaurya000
The Niros battery warranty doesnt cover loss of capacity, Tesla does. This is a huge factor to consider - Kia could claim a battery with 50% remaining after eight years is not a warranty claim and your SOL. Tesla will replace the battery if capacity drops less than 70% in the same timeframe. If youre just commuting this car is fine, but if you want to go on road trips without having to plan routes and pray DC fast chargers are working and take long stops at Walmart, Id go with a Model 3 (at least outside of the west coast. Also, while Tesla claims the Model 3 is a luxury brand, they mainly do so to look competitive with the luxury bracket of ICE cars. Youre not buying a Model 3 for luxury, you buying it for the tech, industry leading batteries and extreme ease of use. Tesla was critical in making EVs mainstream, its a disservice to not categorize the Model 3 as mainstream.
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The Niros battery warranty doesnt cover loss of capacity, Tesla does. This is a huge factor to consider - Kia could claim a battery with 50% remaining after eight years is not a warranty claim and your SOL. Tesla will replace the battery if capacity drops less than 70% in the same timeframe. If youre just commuting this car is fine, but if you want to go on road trips without having to plan routes and pray DC fast chargers are working and take long stops at Walmart, Id go with a Model 3 (at least outside of the west coast. Also, while Tesla claims the Model 3 is a luxury brand, they mainly do so to look competitive with the luxury bracket of ICE cars. Youre not buying a Model 3 for luxury, you buying it for the tech, industry leading batteries and extreme ease of use. Tesla was critical in making EVs mainstream, its a disservice to not categorize the Model 3 as mainstream.
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leecm
Not sure how you could justify buying this if you have the option of getting the 35k Model 3. Alex, you make the distinction about the Model 3 being in the entry luxury class vs this being mainstream, but I dont understand why. I know that the Model 3 can be much more expensive at the high end, but dollar for dollar, the 35k Model 3 is a better value than the KIA. In my experience, most people base their purchase on price, not class. But even so, if you can get the 35k Model 3 AND have a luxury car, its kind of a no brainer unless you dont trust Teslas future as a company. Although I guess the Model Y is actually the more commensurate Tesla to the Niro, and that will be more expensive than the KIA.
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Not sure how you could justify buying this if you have the option of getting the 35k Model 3. Alex, you make the distinction about the Model 3 being in the entry luxury class vs this being mainstream, but I dont understand why. I know that the Model 3 can be much more expensive at the high end, but dollar for dollar, the 35k Model 3 is a better value than the KIA. In my experience, most people base their purchase on price, not class. But even so, if you can get the 35k Model 3 AND have a luxury car, its kind of a no brainer unless you dont trust Teslas future as a company. Although I guess the Model Y is actually the more commensurate Tesla to the Niro, and that will be more expensive than the KIA.
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larry Spiller
My conspiracy theory is that Hyundai/kia dont make money on the kona/niro because of the high quality cabin, large battery, and proper thermal management. Would make sense because the supply is so restricted. Where as something like the leaf does make money given the production numbers and availability but at the cost of skimping on interior quality and proper battery management. And then theres Tesla with demand and output so high and unique methods they are able to profit without skimping on anything BUT they dont have 100x ice sales volume+profits to carry the cost of development of their evs and thus look like a trainwreck but likely will not be.
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My conspiracy theory is that Hyundai/kia dont make money on the kona/niro because of the high quality cabin, large battery, and proper thermal management. Would make sense because the supply is so restricted. Where as something like the leaf does make money given the production numbers and availability but at the cost of skimping on interior quality and proper battery management. And then theres Tesla with demand and output so high and unique methods they are able to profit without skimping on anything BUT they dont have 100x ice sales volume+profits to carry the cost of development of their evs and thus look like a trainwreck but likely will not be.
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SS S
Tax credit question. With the recent changes to the tax code many will not have itemized deductions but will use the standard tax credit. I assume this credit is not part of your deductions but is an upfront deduction of your actual tax owed? So say you have 18, 000 in taxes, standard deduction is 24, 000 (married filling jointly) the 7, 500 comes off the 18, 000 correct? So you should get that much back (in addition to whatever else you would have gotten) in a refund? It is not considered a regular itemized deduction so in the above example it would only put you 1, 500 over the standard deduction?
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Tax credit question. With the recent changes to the tax code many will not have itemized deductions but will use the standard tax credit. I assume this credit is not part of your deductions but is an upfront deduction of your actual tax owed? So say you have 18, 000 in taxes, standard deduction is 24, 000 (married filling jointly) the 7, 500 comes off the 18, 000 correct? So you should get that much back (in addition to whatever else you would have gotten) in a refund? It is not considered a regular itemized deduction so in the above example it would only put you 1, 500 over the standard deduction?
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quizzley7
I bet you could get a much better deal on a Bolt or Leaf due to various discounts and much more available stock. Availability on the Korean EVs is so limited you will pay closer to MSRP. I think its worth noting that there are more Supercharger plugs than CCS plugs in the US. There are fewer supercharger locations, but many more plugs per location. In practice the superchargers are more reliable and more likely to be available than CCS or chademo stations. Always check availability on plug share before depending on a CCS charger, especially ones located at a dealership.
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I bet you could get a much better deal on a Bolt or Leaf due to various discounts and much more available stock. Availability on the Korean EVs is so limited you will pay closer to MSRP. I think its worth noting that there are more Supercharger plugs than CCS plugs in the US. There are fewer supercharger locations, but many more plugs per location. In practice the superchargers are more reliable and more likely to be available than CCS or chademo stations. Always check availability on plug share before depending on a CCS charger, especially ones located at a dealership.
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webcomment
Niro isnt really available to purchase unless you are willing to pay 5, 000 to 10, 000 over MSRP for one of the few hundred available nation wide. Both the Niro and Kona are just compliance cars where the manufacturer builds the minimum possible number to get their corporate EV credits. Its sad that the Tesla Model 3 is much easier to buy. If you have the money, anyone can buy a Model 3 for MSRP under 40K and have possession of the vehicle within just a few weeks. Take the same 40K to a Hyundai or Kia dealer and see if you can drive off in a new 200+ mile range EV.
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Niro isnt really available to purchase unless you are willing to pay 5, 000 to 10, 000 over MSRP for one of the few hundred available nation wide. Both the Niro and Kona are just compliance cars where the manufacturer builds the minimum possible number to get their corporate EV credits. Its sad that the Tesla Model 3 is much easier to buy. If you have the money, anyone can buy a Model 3 for MSRP under 40K and have possession of the vehicle within just a few weeks. Take the same 40K to a Hyundai or Kia dealer and see if you can drive off in a new 200+ mile range EV.
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Hans
Hi Alex. Electric motors can slow you down but they cant stop you and they certainly cant hold you in place. You would need a stepper motor for that but they are not practical to scale up to car size motors. Whenever you do one pedal driving and come to a full stop, the friction brakes will be used below a certain speed and to hold you in place. This happens seemless and is called blending. Same happens when you want to regen but the battery cant take the energy. The friction brake is used in part or alone without the driver noticing.
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Hi Alex. Electric motors can slow you down but they cant stop you and they certainly cant hold you in place. You would need a stepper motor for that but they are not practical to scale up to car size motors. Whenever you do one pedal driving and come to a full stop, the friction brakes will be used below a certain speed and to hold you in place. This happens seemless and is called blending. Same happens when you want to regen but the battery cant take the energy. The friction brake is used in part or alone without the driver noticing.
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Roberto Tomás
I dont know, I think its arguable about whether or not its a Tesla competitor. Tesla is hardly a luxury interior or with luxury build quality, making it almost unfair to compare it to the iPace, the E Tron, or the EQC the way recent European reviewers have. However theres no way this needs to go up against a Model 3. Its an SUV, the model three is a hatchback. Even the model Y, heck even the model X actually is just a crossover. that is a totally different market segment.
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I dont know, I think its arguable about whether or not its a Tesla competitor. Tesla is hardly a luxury interior or with luxury build quality, making it almost unfair to compare it to the iPace, the E Tron, or the EQC the way recent European reviewers have. However theres no way this needs to go up against a Model 3. Its an SUV, the model three is a hatchback. Even the model Y, heck even the model X actually is just a crossover. that is a totally different market segment.
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Jeff Kubel
I disagree about this not being a competitor to the Model 3. A lot of EV buyers have decided before picking out a specific make and model that they want an EV. In that case, they will cross shop. I did. I was looking at literally all 200+ mile range options. I narrowed down my choices to a Bolt EV and a Model 3. My last BEV was a Nissan LEAF. You could say its not in the same class, but I guarantee people will cross shop them.
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I disagree about this not being a competitor to the Model 3. A lot of EV buyers have decided before picking out a specific make and model that they want an EV. In that case, they will cross shop. I did. I was looking at literally all 200+ mile range options. I narrowed down my choices to a Bolt EV and a Model 3. My last BEV was a Nissan LEAF. You could say its not in the same class, but I guarantee people will cross shop them.
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CelticMike2011
Am a little surprised the Soul EV wont get ventilated seats for the US market given theyre standard here in Canada (a country where the seat ventilation ostensibly wouldnt be used as much as south of the border) we do also get the sunroof for the Soul (though not the nifty panoramic version of the First Gen Soul EV. Kinda strange given we normally watch with envy as US models more often get more perks than we get.
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Am a little surprised the Soul EV wont get ventilated seats for the US market given theyre standard here in Canada (a country where the seat ventilation ostensibly wouldnt be used as much as south of the border) we do also get the sunroof for the Soul (though not the nifty panoramic version of the First Gen Soul EV. Kinda strange given we normally watch with envy as US models more often get more perks than we get.
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