Kia Sedona: P0016 Cam Crank Correlation Trouble: Part I
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Date: 2020-08-05
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Alan
Hi Eric hope you feel better.
I hate VVT! Cam valves and phasers! With that anyone I know I tell them to only use total synthetic. They will gum up with Walmart conventional oil. Case a friend owned an infinity 35. It threw a cam valve code. Failed state test. Fixed with 2 cam sensors which were infinity sensors 800 each. 1, 600 plus 400 labor. 2, 000 later the car passed inspection.
The cost of owning this new technology for the customer is going to be expensive both in diagnostic and repair time plus cost of parts. This is why I follow you and have bought some diagnostic tools. How do you fix this without a scope? Rant done.
Use synthetic oil or pay the piper when you call.
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Hi Eric hope you feel better.
I hate VVT! Cam valves and phasers! With that anyone I know I tell them to only use total synthetic. They will gum up with Walmart conventional oil. Case a friend owned an infinity 35. It threw a cam valve code. Failed state test. Fixed with 2 cam sensors which were infinity sensors 800 each. 1, 600 plus 400 labor. 2, 000 later the car passed inspection.
The cost of owning this new technology for the customer is going to be expensive both in diagnostic and repair time plus cost of parts. This is why I follow you and have bought some diagnostic tools. How do you fix this without a scope? Rant done.
Use synthetic oil or pay the piper when you call.
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Kevin
Always a pleasure watching you work. I definitely know how hard it is to think with a 'cloudy' head. I have an '07 Mitsubishi Galant ES 2. 4 that seems to 'struggle when starting. I want to check the connections when it gets a bit warmer. They stuck the damn starter under the exhaust manifold, but such is life. I've the car for 3 yrs. now and am happy with it. Also had problems with battery not have=ing enough oomph, but thats mostly because I don't drive it every day and only happens on '0' days. Also want to go through and check all the circuits to see if I have any drawing extra power which I believe you mentioned in a video. thanks for sharing.
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Always a pleasure watching you work. I definitely know how hard it is to think with a 'cloudy' head. I have an '07 Mitsubishi Galant ES 2. 4 that seems to 'struggle when starting. I want to check the connections when it gets a bit warmer. They stuck the damn starter under the exhaust manifold, but such is life. I've the car for 3 yrs. now and am happy with it. Also had problems with battery not have=ing enough oomph, but thats mostly because I don't drive it every day and only happens on '0' days. Also want to go through and check all the circuits to see if I have any drawing extra power which I believe you mentioned in a video. thanks for sharing.
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Snake
Nice catch. I would be very interested to see how this turns out. I have run into this a time or 2 before with varying results. First time the boss farmed out the vehicle to another shop and I never did find out what the out come was. The shop I worked in at the time was fast paced (used car lot) and the boss didn't like us to get to in depth. Guess that's why I'm not there anymore(lol) The other had a heap of other issues and the boss (same one) opted for an engine swap. Have a good Home (shop) I'm at now and would very much like to see how this spins out for my own reference. Thanks brother and keep um coming. Peace out. lol
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Nice catch. I would be very interested to see how this turns out. I have run into this a time or 2 before with varying results. First time the boss farmed out the vehicle to another shop and I never did find out what the out come was. The shop I worked in at the time was fast paced (used car lot) and the boss didn't like us to get to in depth. Guess that's why I'm not there anymore(lol) The other had a heap of other issues and the boss (same one) opted for an engine swap. Have a good Home (shop) I'm at now and would very much like to see how this spins out for my own reference. Thanks brother and keep um coming. Peace out. lol
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spin1275gt
Great video Eric, there just one thing i think you shouldn't use with the pico and thats the static crankshaft degrees. A running engine is accelerating and decelerating all the time. So the 720 crankshaft line should be dynamic. Youre now measuring 30 degrees but it could be something like 28 of maybe 32. For this diagnose it doesn't really mater. But if your checking ignition timing for exemple 1 or 2 degrees does make a lot of difference.
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Great video Eric, there just one thing i think you shouldn't use with the pico and thats the static crankshaft degrees. A running engine is accelerating and decelerating all the time. So the 720 crankshaft line should be dynamic. Youre now measuring 30 degrees but it could be something like 28 of maybe 32. For this diagnose it doesn't really mater. But if your checking ignition timing for exemple 1 or 2 degrees does make a lot of difference.
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jr
quote the job cheap we wanting to see you fix the car lol maybe the customer will give the thumps up what are they going to do park it under a tree lol normally yes a shop messed with the car first thing is to check timing maybe that shop is off the hook now maybe they timed the engine right timing is still timing they couldn't go the extra step or have the scope to see dang the cam phaser is bad thks mr o
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quote the job cheap we wanting to see you fix the car lol maybe the customer will give the thumps up what are they going to do park it under a tree lol normally yes a shop messed with the car first thing is to check timing maybe that shop is off the hook now maybe they timed the engine right timing is still timing they couldn't go the extra step or have the scope to see dang the cam phaser is bad thks mr o
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Gerald
Eric (or whoever, what was the little red gadget you used to check the ohm and to give it the beans (TM? I checked your store on amazon and didn't see anything that looked like it. My multimeter will do the former but not the latter I think. I'm doing this same diagnosis on my son's Kia at the moment. Great video as always!
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Eric (or whoever, what was the little red gadget you used to check the ohm and to give it the beans (TM? I checked your store on amazon and didn't see anything that looked like it. My multimeter will do the former but not the latter I think. I'm doing this same diagnosis on my son's Kia at the moment. Great video as always!
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Auto-Tech
Hi Erick, great video as allways. I't would have been great to dry-run the engine (no/low oil) for 5 seconds to re-take the cam-crank correlation, and i would have checked the pcm driver for that actuator before seelling the actuator to the customer (wich i'm pretty sure you did. I'm also looking forward to part 2.
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Hi Erick, great video as allways. I't would have been great to dry-run the engine (no/low oil) for 5 seconds to re-take the cam-crank correlation, and i would have checked the pcm driver for that actuator before seelling the actuator to the customer (wich i'm pretty sure you did. I'm also looking forward to part 2.
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Micheal
Same with wifes car, next day I went out to the drive way to start it. wouldnt crank money light on. Gave me the same code, I dont believe it, tried to start again. kicked it. said ucki& Hyundai. randomly did a compression test.
All cylinders DEAD.
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Same with wifes car, next day I went out to the drive way to start it. wouldnt crank money light on. Gave me the same code, I dont believe it, tried to start again. kicked it. said ucki& Hyundai. randomly did a compression test.
All cylinders DEAD.
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korutube
I always check the intake and exhaust solenoids when I see a correlation code. A lot of the time they are full of sludge and cleaning them fixes the issue. If you do change them best to change in pairs. Same with the cam and crank sensors.
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I always check the intake and exhaust solenoids when I see a correlation code. A lot of the time they are full of sludge and cleaning them fixes the issue. If you do change them best to change in pairs. Same with the cam and crank sensors.
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Bluewrench61
What about watching the pattern from first cranking, extended cranking and then run to possibly see the oil pressure build up and advance the cam timing if you were unable to access the oil control solenoid?
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What about watching the pattern from first cranking, extended cranking and then run to possibly see the oil pressure build up and advance the cam timing if you were unable to access the oil control solenoid?
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