Are used EVs a rip-off!
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Date: 2024-04-10
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davekennedy6315
Secondhand EVs are even MORE of a concern than your usual Petrol/Diesel car! You still have your mechanical worries like brakes, CVs, driveshafts, wheel bearings, wheels n tyres etc Then you also have even more electrical issues. But the much, MUCH bigger worry of a ruined battery and a ruined battery will pretty much write the car off! This car is super low mileage for its age (I'd guess previous owners were old farts) But the battery on this is clearly knackered! 50 miles on a full charge is shite! So a car like this will only be worth it if you NEVER do any long journeys and just use it to pootle into town here n there and can have the car on charge on your drive constantly. If you don't have a driveway and can't park near your house then these are utter SHITE and that's without kids and drunks pulling the charging lead out for a laugh! Plus you can guarantee that as soon as the majority make the switch to crappy EVs then the government will whack up the tax on electricity and dramatically increase EV road tax prices. There is no way on Earth that our government will just give up all that money they presently make on Petrol and Diesel tax when people change over to EVs and they will then start mullering EV drivers on anything they possibly can!
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Secondhand EVs are even MORE of a concern than your usual Petrol/Diesel car! You still have your mechanical worries like brakes, CVs, driveshafts, wheel bearings, wheels n tyres etc Then you also have even more electrical issues. But the much, MUCH bigger worry of a ruined battery and a ruined battery will pretty much write the car off! This car is super low mileage for its age (I'd guess previous owners were old farts) But the battery on this is clearly knackered! 50 miles on a full charge is shite! So a car like this will only be worth it if you NEVER do any long journeys and just use it to pootle into town here n there and can have the car on charge on your drive constantly. If you don't have a driveway and can't park near your house then these are utter SHITE and that's without kids and drunks pulling the charging lead out for a laugh! Plus you can guarantee that as soon as the majority make the switch to crappy EVs then the government will whack up the tax on electricity and dramatically increase EV road tax prices. There is no way on Earth that our government will just give up all that money they presently make on Petrol and Diesel tax when people change over to EVs and they will then start mullering EV drivers on anything they possibly can!
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siraff4461
10 years old, 45k miles and only useful for a school run or a short commute.
Remember that wasn't on predominantly faster roads, in rain or overly cold either so it will be worse as those factors are added.
On top of that its got mould in it so welcome to a load of respiratory issues if you use it much and it still needs insurance, somewhere to park it and all the rest like any other car.
There are plug-in hybrids with better range so its hard to see a use case for this thing unless you really want a car but never drive much more than about 30 miles and don't mind paying all the running costs for something with a similar usability to a golf cart.
By contrast a cheap ice may well be in similar condition and have similar mileage but it will work as a car which can go where you like when you like.
Even the old line about it being cheap to run is nonsense because it can't do enough mileage to make enough difference in fuel costs compared to an ice to even pay for its own insurance.
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10 years old, 45k miles and only useful for a school run or a short commute.
Remember that wasn't on predominantly faster roads, in rain or overly cold either so it will be worse as those factors are added.
On top of that its got mould in it so welcome to a load of respiratory issues if you use it much and it still needs insurance, somewhere to park it and all the rest like any other car.
There are plug-in hybrids with better range so its hard to see a use case for this thing unless you really want a car but never drive much more than about 30 miles and don't mind paying all the running costs for something with a similar usability to a golf cart.
By contrast a cheap ice may well be in similar condition and have similar mileage but it will work as a car which can go where you like when you like.
Even the old line about it being cheap to run is nonsense because it can't do enough mileage to make enough difference in fuel costs compared to an ice to even pay for its own insurance.
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leftcoastfunk
I'll consider an EV, purely as a commuter car someday only when:
1) I am financially comfortable enough to own separate cars for commuting and playing (family road trips, camping, etc)
2) There is a sufficiently mature, robust system in place for safe recycling of their batteries at no cost to the consumer
3) And most importantly, when the electricity we use to charge them is not ALSO generated from the exact same fossil fuels we're allegedly trying to become less dependent on
Oh, and if that day ever happens, I assure you it will not be a Nissan Leaf. Seriously that is one of the ugliest cars made in the last decade, electric or otherwise
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I'll consider an EV, purely as a commuter car someday only when:
1) I am financially comfortable enough to own separate cars for commuting and playing (family road trips, camping, etc)
2) There is a sufficiently mature, robust system in place for safe recycling of their batteries at no cost to the consumer
3) And most importantly, when the electricity we use to charge them is not ALSO generated from the exact same fossil fuels we're allegedly trying to become less dependent on
Oh, and if that day ever happens, I assure you it will not be a Nissan Leaf. Seriously that is one of the ugliest cars made in the last decade, electric or otherwise
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chasebemis1976
Very informative, I've always wondered about long term value and future proofing battery chemistry in electric vehicles. If I buy today, and they put out a newer safer and more energy dense type of battery, would I be stuck with some early adopter FOMO or could I upgrade as needed. Sounds like, for the leaf at least, there was some real opportunity to extend the life of the battery and possibly upgrade the range. I wonder if that's the case for all EV's.
Saw a video of an Ionic where the owner had to replace the battery, and it was as much as the whole car cost to replace the battery! Hope they sort all that before I buy into EV's.
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Very informative, I've always wondered about long term value and future proofing battery chemistry in electric vehicles. If I buy today, and they put out a newer safer and more energy dense type of battery, would I be stuck with some early adopter FOMO or could I upgrade as needed. Sounds like, for the leaf at least, there was some real opportunity to extend the life of the battery and possibly upgrade the range. I wonder if that's the case for all EV's.
Saw a video of an Ionic where the owner had to replace the battery, and it was as much as the whole car cost to replace the battery! Hope they sort all that before I buy into EV's.
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cdc558
Point is is that you can buy a little 2010 1. 2 diesel clio that does 75mpg, that costs nothing to insure, pocket money to tax and you don't have to worry that in a few years time you have to scrap the car or spend thousands having a new battery put in it. Alot of you talk about how cheap it is to charge but 1. It's getting more expensive to charge ev's and 2. It'll be more expensive when you have to spend thousands on a fairly new car having a new battery put in. What's the point in buying a car that in 20 years will be scrap metal, no cheaper and you'd have to buy a new car long long before any cheap little diesel driver would
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Point is is that you can buy a little 2010 1. 2 diesel clio that does 75mpg, that costs nothing to insure, pocket money to tax and you don't have to worry that in a few years time you have to scrap the car or spend thousands having a new battery put in it. Alot of you talk about how cheap it is to charge but 1. It's getting more expensive to charge ev's and 2. It'll be more expensive when you have to spend thousands on a fairly new car having a new battery put in. What's the point in buying a car that in 20 years will be scrap metal, no cheaper and you'd have to buy a new car long long before any cheap little diesel driver would
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bengordon7635
common sense. Energizer battery, in order for them to stay a float they have to constantly sell batteries to have capital to make them, the EV battery has to be constantly produced to be able to sustain construction. the cost to make out weighs what the battery is worth. all these battery companies in china are going under because they cannot sell enough batteries too maintain the company, the lithium price has dropped so much that an ev will become worthless because you cannot build a battery for it hmmmmmm
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common sense. Energizer battery, in order for them to stay a float they have to constantly sell batteries to have capital to make them, the EV battery has to be constantly produced to be able to sustain construction. the cost to make out weighs what the battery is worth. all these battery companies in china are going under because they cannot sell enough batteries too maintain the company, the lithium price has dropped so much that an ev will become worthless because you cannot build a battery for it hmmmmmm
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Deepthought-42
Yep Planned obsolescence and both for batteries and with ALL modern cars, whether ICE or electric, everything is software based so you are at the whim of the manufacturer for software upgrades.
In addition your privacy is compromised; manufacturers and third parties know where you have been, the history of how you have driven he car and if you have voice control, what you have been talking about!
At least with a phone you have privacy settings that you can turn off!
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Yep Planned obsolescence and both for batteries and with ALL modern cars, whether ICE or electric, everything is software based so you are at the whim of the manufacturer for software upgrades.
In addition your privacy is compromised; manufacturers and third parties know where you have been, the history of how you have driven he car and if you have voice control, what you have been talking about!
At least with a phone you have privacy settings that you can turn off!
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Deepthought-42
Yep Planned obsolescence and both for batteries and with ALL modern cars, whether ICE or electric, everything is software based so you are at the whim of the manufacturer for software upgrades.
In addition your privacy is compromised; manufacturers and third parties know where you have been, the history of how you have driven he car and if you have voice control, what you have been talking about!
At least with a phone you have privacy settings that you can turn off!
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Yep Planned obsolescence and both for batteries and with ALL modern cars, whether ICE or electric, everything is software based so you are at the whim of the manufacturer for software upgrades.
In addition your privacy is compromised; manufacturers and third parties know where you have been, the history of how you have driven he car and if you have voice control, what you have been talking about!
At least with a phone you have privacy settings that you can turn off!
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tedbearfudge
So a 2013 battery only lasts 11 years (70% SOH. Is this why manufacturers only give you 8 years becasue they know it probably only get a few years more. The car has only done less than 47, 000 miles. Still think there is a way to go before I get one. I have a 2007 Golf that's done 148, 000 miles and still get around 500 miles on a full tank. There are a few things wrong with it and it could fail anytime but I have been saying this for the last 3 years.
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So a 2013 battery only lasts 11 years (70% SOH. Is this why manufacturers only give you 8 years becasue they know it probably only get a few years more. The car has only done less than 47, 000 miles. Still think there is a way to go before I get one. I have a 2007 Golf that's done 148, 000 miles and still get around 500 miles on a full tank. There are a few things wrong with it and it could fail anytime but I have been saying this for the last 3 years.
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ivorscruton5121
Drove a 2013 model as a company vehicle servicing fire alarm systems. To get the best range, which was sort of a challenge to me, I timed the traffic lights to run through whenever possible. Rather than use the brakes, I shifted into ECO mode, which improved the regeneration, ultimately resulting in a higher than advertised range. Overall, it is an excellent city computer vehicle, which in Canada at the time cost $ 1. 50 to charge 15 kwh.
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Drove a 2013 model as a company vehicle servicing fire alarm systems. To get the best range, which was sort of a challenge to me, I timed the traffic lights to run through whenever possible. Rather than use the brakes, I shifted into ECO mode, which improved the regeneration, ultimately resulting in a higher than advertised range. Overall, it is an excellent city computer vehicle, which in Canada at the time cost $ 1. 50 to charge 15 kwh.
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MrKillswitch88
This all down to just two things the battery chemistry and the cooling being a lot less than what is typical but anyway there is open source software as well a cheap programming kit to enable battery upgrades should anyone want a new pack. Some EVs have more or less been hacked and have had their ranges more or less doubled after new cells with much better chemistry have been installed.
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This all down to just two things the battery chemistry and the cooling being a lot less than what is typical but anyway there is open source software as well a cheap programming kit to enable battery upgrades should anyone want a new pack. Some EVs have more or less been hacked and have had their ranges more or less doubled after new cells with much better chemistry have been installed.
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carwow
I have to disagree that theyll be good cars on the used car market. ive got a little panda for a run about thats not much older than the leaf, its got more miles and gets 400 miles to a tank that takes 5 minutes to fill: ) ICE cars also dont have a battery pack thatll need changing when it gets that bad. If i changed the engine in the little panda i've got, it would cost alot less
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I have to disagree that theyll be good cars on the used car market. ive got a little panda for a run about thats not much older than the leaf, its got more miles and gets 400 miles to a tank that takes 5 minutes to fill: ) ICE cars also dont have a battery pack thatll need changing when it gets that bad. If i changed the engine in the little panda i've got, it would cost alot less
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Ncebatupeni
Good to say I have noticed some thing good about Nissan. Electric cars. they don't burn like any eletric cars. telsa have a problem of their cars burning just like that. and any other brands. so if u want a safe electric cars the e leaf is the best yes the tech is far behind. but safety to me it's what it's important. latupeni from south Africa cape town
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Good to say I have noticed some thing good about Nissan. Electric cars. they don't burn like any eletric cars. telsa have a problem of their cars burning just like that. and any other brands. so if u want a safe electric cars the e leaf is the best yes the tech is far behind. but safety to me it's what it's important. latupeni from south Africa cape town
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TL-xw6fh
Matt's car has the older generation battery which degrades faster. The Leaf battery was changed in 2016 for a much more durable battery and those can literally last the life of the vehicle, so long as they are not abused with fast charging to full all the time. My 2016 Leaf is still showing all 12 SOH bars and regularly does in excess of 80 miles (130 km.
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Matt's car has the older generation battery which degrades faster. The Leaf battery was changed in 2016 for a much more durable battery and those can literally last the life of the vehicle, so long as they are not abused with fast charging to full all the time. My 2016 Leaf is still showing all 12 SOH bars and regularly does in excess of 80 miles (130 km.
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NorwayChallenge
Worth pointing out that this car is probably the worst case scenario. It has a small battery so it's probably been fast charged a lot. It has no temperature management so the battery gets hot when fast charging which degrades the battery and because it's so small it's probably been at 100% charge ver often which is even worse for the battery.
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Worth pointing out that this car is probably the worst case scenario. It has a small battery so it's probably been fast charged a lot. It has no temperature management so the battery gets hot when fast charging which degrades the battery and because it's so small it's probably been at 100% charge ver often which is even worse for the battery.
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JonathanStewart_1
My 2011 Leaf went down to 40-ish miles of range, on its second battery, which was only about 40k miles old. I loved that car, but 40 miles I sold it for $4500 cash money to a guy who intended to drive it 8 miles a day on his level-ground commute. So win-win. Tesla since then, 140k miles and battery still at around 90% original capacity.
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My 2011 Leaf went down to 40-ish miles of range, on its second battery, which was only about 40k miles old. I loved that car, but 40 miles I sold it for $4500 cash money to a guy who intended to drive it 8 miles a day on his level-ground commute. So win-win. Tesla since then, 140k miles and battery still at around 90% original capacity.
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ezustnyil8414
1500 Euros I cant even buy a decent used car for that price here in hungary, the cheapest Leaf on sale costs 5700 EUR and it has 40% left in its battery. lets just say this is a good test and works well in the UK, but used car prices just really doesnt let you buy a used EV with good capacity. Not to meantion other problems like rust.
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1500 Euros I cant even buy a decent used car for that price here in hungary, the cheapest Leaf on sale costs 5700 EUR and it has 40% left in its battery. lets just say this is a good test and works well in the UK, but used car prices just really doesnt let you buy a used EV with good capacity. Not to meantion other problems like rust.
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thornbottle
I did milton keynes to hunstanton and back over easter, no charge needed. I do have a 59kw newer leaf though, this was with a suitcase, a child and 2 adults in it.
The tip was 216 miles. we drove a bit around hunstanton, and we had heating on on the way back because it was evening time. got home with 5% left
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I did milton keynes to hunstanton and back over easter, no charge needed. I do have a 59kw newer leaf though, this was with a suitcase, a child and 2 adults in it.
The tip was 216 miles. we drove a bit around hunstanton, and we had heating on on the way back because it was evening time. got home with 5% left
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steveberridge4648
These did hardly any miles when new (remember that top gear test) so 60 miles is not as bad as it could've been. But really these are only any good as a town turnaround. So I'll stick to our 15 year old ICE smart 4-2 for that purpose, although strangely I find them quite appealing for urban use.
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These did hardly any miles when new (remember that top gear test) so 60 miles is not as bad as it could've been. But really these are only any good as a town turnaround. So I'll stick to our 15 year old ICE smart 4-2 for that purpose, although strangely I find them quite appealing for urban use.
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locualoein8543
Yes, but it can go well or wrong and in a forum some one has a Leaf with more than 10 years ald lot of Kms of daily use and the battery change is 12. 500 euros so. the car worth nothing. The range is 60km, the batteri has to change. Electric cars will not sell well second hand and arround 10 years.
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Yes, but it can go well or wrong and in a forum some one has a Leaf with more than 10 years ald lot of Kms of daily use and the battery change is 12. 500 euros so. the car worth nothing. The range is 60km, the batteri has to change. Electric cars will not sell well second hand and arround 10 years.
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