Paris to Milan with TGV Inoui - Across snowy Alps by high speed train
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Date: 2024-01-09
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-buzzukfiftythree
Enjoyable video, thanks. We did that journey in 2014 just after the rail strikes and it was chaotic (we arrived at Chambery to find that we had to unexpectedly change trains, with no announcements on the train - it was only the fact that my partner speaks French fluently and overheard a conversation in the carriage that we managed to get off in time before it headed back to Paris. Even in the relative comfort of first class, 7 hours on a TGV with limited legroom was just too much. The scenery was fantastic but I think we'd take the Frecciarossa over the TGV in future. 7 hours without any onboard catering is outrageous. If Trenitalia could provide it then there was no excuse for SNCF.
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Enjoyable video, thanks. We did that journey in 2014 just after the rail strikes and it was chaotic (we arrived at Chambery to find that we had to unexpectedly change trains, with no announcements on the train - it was only the fact that my partner speaks French fluently and overheard a conversation in the carriage that we managed to get off in time before it headed back to Paris. Even in the relative comfort of first class, 7 hours on a TGV with limited legroom was just too much. The scenery was fantastic but I think we'd take the Frecciarossa over the TGV in future. 7 hours without any onboard catering is outrageous. If Trenitalia could provide it then there was no excuse for SNCF.
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-DJ-Dreaming
It is really interesting as an Australian, because' there in Europe 800 KM to 1000 KM takes you to cross country, even into other countries. Sydney-Brisbane is equivalent to this TGV route. add another 1000 KM in Australia and you'll reach Melbourne. Our shortest intercity distance is 1000 KM per City on the southern East coast or head north of Brisbane you'll need 1700 KM to get all the way to cairns or 2689 if you want to reach the tip of Queensland as far north as Australia goes. Darwin-Perth that's a 4592 KM trip halfway to the far east or west. I'm rambling on a bit here, but my point is we have a need for high-speed rail, just not the population, but every country has its charms.
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It is really interesting as an Australian, because' there in Europe 800 KM to 1000 KM takes you to cross country, even into other countries. Sydney-Brisbane is equivalent to this TGV route. add another 1000 KM in Australia and you'll reach Melbourne. Our shortest intercity distance is 1000 KM per City on the southern East coast or head north of Brisbane you'll need 1700 KM to get all the way to cairns or 2689 if you want to reach the tip of Queensland as far north as Australia goes. Darwin-Perth that's a 4592 KM trip halfway to the far east or west. I'm rambling on a bit here, but my point is we have a need for high-speed rail, just not the population, but every country has its charms.
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-d1234as
Highest point of the line, in Frejus tunnel, is not at 1, 123 m, but at 1, 295 m, a little bit higher than Bardonecchia station, the third highest station in Italy. TGVs don't use the high speed line between Turin and Milan because of the lack of ERTMS devices, so they can't use a line without signals and they arrive at Milano Porta Garibaldi maybe because the slots are cheaper than Milano Centrale, but more probably because Milano Centrale is at full capacity and doesn't have enough free slots for other trains. Milano Porta Garibaldi is the second Milan's station, not a secondary station!
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Highest point of the line, in Frejus tunnel, is not at 1, 123 m, but at 1, 295 m, a little bit higher than Bardonecchia station, the third highest station in Italy. TGVs don't use the high speed line between Turin and Milan because of the lack of ERTMS devices, so they can't use a line without signals and they arrive at Milano Porta Garibaldi maybe because the slots are cheaper than Milano Centrale, but more probably because Milano Centrale is at full capacity and doesn't have enough free slots for other trains. Milano Porta Garibaldi is the second Milan's station, not a secondary station!
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-borghetto75
Milano Porta Garibaldi is well connected with the main Italian high speed line by Frecciarossa and Italo coming from Torino to the south until Salerno, Milano Centrale is better for departures to Genova and Liguria, Venice and the Adriatic seaside. Both Train stations have two subway lines but Milano Porta Garibaldi has also -passante ferroviario- underground station for commuters that is more or less like RER in Paris. Anyway if you arrive in Milano Porta Garibaldi and your connection is in Milano Centrale catch subway green line 2 just for 2 stops.
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Milano Porta Garibaldi is well connected with the main Italian high speed line by Frecciarossa and Italo coming from Torino to the south until Salerno, Milano Centrale is better for departures to Genova and Liguria, Venice and the Adriatic seaside. Both Train stations have two subway lines but Milano Porta Garibaldi has also -passante ferroviario- underground station for commuters that is more or less like RER in Paris. Anyway if you arrive in Milano Porta Garibaldi and your connection is in Milano Centrale catch subway green line 2 just for 2 stops.
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-mannim7143
I have done this route in 2018 all the way from Paris to Milan (and then onwards to Rome. It was fantastic. I mean, the landscape- Departure was around just after 6 am so I was mainly holding on to my coffee cup. But by the time I had woken up we were already approaching the Savoye region.
My main criticism of the TGV interior design is that it is rather dark. The lights are slightly dimmed and the upholstery is dark grey, and somehow even compared to an ICE train it is a little moody- But that is a matter of taste I guess.
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I have done this route in 2018 all the way from Paris to Milan (and then onwards to Rome. It was fantastic. I mean, the landscape- Departure was around just after 6 am so I was mainly holding on to my coffee cup. But by the time I had woken up we were already approaching the Savoye region.
My main criticism of the TGV interior design is that it is rather dark. The lights are slightly dimmed and the upholstery is dark grey, and somehow even compared to an ICE train it is a little moody- But that is a matter of taste I guess.
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-TheMateriaalkunde
That pantograph story sounds a bit eerie to me. TGV emu's have at least three: One for DC low voltage, one for AC standard and one AC for LGV operations. So the AC pantograph will not be used under DC. In the past DC pantographs could differ per system, this had to do with clearance. Also, running TGV's under 3000V is not unique for destinations in Italy. Belgium sees them coming already for years.
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That pantograph story sounds a bit eerie to me. TGV emu's have at least three: One for DC low voltage, one for AC standard and one AC for LGV operations. So the AC pantograph will not be used under DC. In the past DC pantographs could differ per system, this had to do with clearance. Also, running TGV's under 3000V is not unique for destinations in Italy. Belgium sees them coming already for years.
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-davidrobinson3221
I-ve travelled Paris to Turin and Paris to Milan quite a few times for many years. These TGV sets can do the speed on the high speed lines but the interiors were giving the impression of being -tired- nearly 10 years ago. However, I can-t see SNCF doing much about them until the new line is built through the Alps so I think they-ll continue to lose out the the Italian trains for quite a while.
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I-ve travelled Paris to Turin and Paris to Milan quite a few times for many years. These TGV sets can do the speed on the high speed lines but the interiors were giving the impression of being -tired- nearly 10 years ago. However, I can-t see SNCF doing much about them until the new line is built through the Alps so I think they-ll continue to lose out the the Italian trains for quite a while.
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-enricomonti156
I have travelled on both Frecciarossa and TGV services albeit on different routes, and i must say that Frecciarossa is definitely the best out of the two. Don't forget that the TGV Inoui Milan-Paris is not allowed to travel on the high speed route between Milan and Turin, and that adds about an hour on the journey
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I have travelled on both Frecciarossa and TGV services albeit on different routes, and i must say that Frecciarossa is definitely the best out of the two. Don't forget that the TGV Inoui Milan-Paris is not allowed to travel on the high speed route between Milan and Turin, and that adds about an hour on the journey
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Give me the TGV every time! It was unfortunate at the time of your travel, on board service was non existent. I think the Frecciarossa trains look tacky, and as for the ride quality, the TGV beats them hands down! The seats in 1st Class on the Resau units, designed by Cristian Lacroix are still superb!
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Give me the TGV every time! It was unfortunate at the time of your travel, on board service was non existent. I think the Frecciarossa trains look tacky, and as for the ride quality, the TGV beats them hands down! The seats in 1st Class on the Resau units, designed by Cristian Lacroix are still superb!
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-bwcbiz
Always good to see you -working from home- in France. Seeing your videos jump from North America to Europe to South America and back again makes me wonder how your release schedule lines up with your recording schedule. Your flying time seems to be just as long as your train travel time.
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Always good to see you -working from home- in France. Seeing your videos jump from North America to Europe to South America and back again makes me wonder how your release schedule lines up with your recording schedule. Your flying time seems to be just as long as your train travel time.
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Excellent report, thank you! I work in passenger rail here in the US, and am absolutely in love with the French system. My wife and I are planning to ride the Frecciarossa from Lyon to Milan in December - a trip I am very much looking forward to. I appreciate the comparison.
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Excellent report, thank you! I work in passenger rail here in the US, and am absolutely in love with the French system. My wife and I are planning to ride the Frecciarossa from Lyon to Milan in December - a trip I am very much looking forward to. I appreciate the comparison.
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-anonomia5535
I don't find it fair to compare SNCF's 1st class with Trenitalia's Executive class. The former is way cheaper. Comparing equal classses on both trains, I don't see much difference (same catering nowadays, for example. SNCF might even have the more comfortable seats.
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I don't find it fair to compare SNCF's 1st class with Trenitalia's Executive class. The former is way cheaper. Comparing equal classses on both trains, I don't see much difference (same catering nowadays, for example. SNCF might even have the more comfortable seats.
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-pmbpmb5416
Having done the Paris Milan many times the biggest disaster was the refurb under the auspices of some -designer- that turned really comfy seats into very poor seats and the colour scheme was vile. The trains were often late in either direction.
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Having done the Paris Milan many times the biggest disaster was the refurb under the auspices of some -designer- that turned really comfy seats into very poor seats and the colour scheme was vile. The trains were often late in either direction.
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-valerianocuomo996
Italy is a country with 2 high speed s, public FRECCIAROSSA privat ITALO. ONLY THE ITALY IN THE WORLD. TGV AHAHA OLD S TRAIN S, FROM 2000 IS THE ITALY LEADER OF THE HIGH SPEED, FOR ALL THE90', THE FRANCE. NOW THE LEADERSHIP IS ITALIAN.
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Italy is a country with 2 high speed s, public FRECCIAROSSA privat ITALO. ONLY THE ITALY IN THE WORLD. TGV AHAHA OLD S TRAIN S, FROM 2000 IS THE ITALY LEADER OF THE HIGH SPEED, FOR ALL THE90', THE FRANCE. NOW THE LEADERSHIP IS ITALIAN.
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-cinemagirl4907
Done this trip n the pouring rain and t's still gorgeous. Good to know taking Frecciaarossa is the better option when I am back to working between these cities! I still love to hear the 3 tones of the French train, though: )
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Done this trip n the pouring rain and t's still gorgeous. Good to know taking Frecciaarossa is the better option when I am back to working between these cities! I still love to hear the 3 tones of the French train, though: )
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-talis4646
4503! I took a photo in front of it when it still had the grey-blue livery when I was 8 on a trip to Milan, still have it on my desk. glad to see it's still going strong despite all the years it has
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4503! I took a photo in front of it when it still had the grey-blue livery when I was 8 on a trip to Milan, still have it on my desk. glad to see it's still going strong despite all the years it has
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-w. e. b. 8719
I love travel by train, I wish that the USA had as many options as does Europe. If you were to publish a book on your experiences with recommendations, I would be among the first to purchase it.
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I love travel by train, I wish that the USA had as many options as does Europe. If you were to publish a book on your experiences with recommendations, I would be among the first to purchase it.
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-panchorr1444
Was the direct train from Paris to Milan cancelled? I can't find any tickets on any website, they all appear with one or more stops. I tried different days and no direct train service appears.
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Was the direct train from Paris to Milan cancelled? I can't find any tickets on any website, they all appear with one or more stops. I tried different days and no direct train service appears.
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-bubba842
The Frecciarossa is actually faster since it can travel on the Turin to Milan high speed section, the TGV can not due to it not being able to operate on the Italian high speed voltage.
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The Frecciarossa is actually faster since it can travel on the Turin to Milan high speed section, the TGV can not due to it not being able to operate on the Italian high speed voltage.
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-peterjones4055
Freciarossa every time-. TGV Oui sets are tired, shabby, frequently late and often have out of use toilets. Announcements ignore English so travel update is guesswork-
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Freciarossa every time-. TGV Oui sets are tired, shabby, frequently late and often have out of use toilets. Announcements ignore English so travel update is guesswork-
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-Winglep
The view flying over the alps is so much more amazing, you see everything and the snow covered alps -
I prefer the Frecciarossa by far when travelling by train.
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The view flying over the alps is so much more amazing, you see everything and the snow covered alps -
I prefer the Frecciarossa by far when travelling by train.
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-adellethomson540
Thanks for this, very informative with a view to die for.
Would you know if the sleeper train which was discontinued some time ago will recommence?
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Thanks for this, very informative with a view to die for.
Would you know if the sleeper train which was discontinued some time ago will recommence?
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-koushalrayi
Beautiful views. Watched most of your routes and like that you do most of your videos do the talking -. hoping to travel in Europe one day. -
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Beautiful views. Watched most of your routes and like that you do most of your videos do the talking -. hoping to travel in Europe one day. -
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-beachnmountains
Will you make a video of the new SNCF Paris to Berlin hi- speed train that will only take 7 hrs? They said December 2023 it will be ready
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Will you make a video of the new SNCF Paris to Berlin hi- speed train that will only take 7 hrs? They said December 2023 it will be ready
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-caromurray6152
I-m short so I like having a foot rest. Shame no food service aboard-I hope they warned the passengers before they got on! Great scenery.
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I-m short so I like having a foot rest. Shame no food service aboard-I hope they warned the passengers before they got on! Great scenery.
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-leojin5838
Why is the average speed so low? I'm not sure but this kind of ruins the point of high speed train if the avg speed is only like 120kph?
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Why is the average speed so low? I'm not sure but this kind of ruins the point of high speed train if the avg speed is only like 120kph?
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-dnanirudh
Great video, I like the SNCF as a train but the Frecciarossa is hard to say not to. Why can't the TGV use the high speed lines in italy?
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Great video, I like the SNCF as a train but the Frecciarossa is hard to say not to. Why can't the TGV use the high speed lines in italy?
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-wizardofodds8239
Interesting video. I wanted to take the trip, but I cannot abide hand-held, roaming video. It's just me, as a pro videographer.
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Interesting video. I wanted to take the trip, but I cannot abide hand-held, roaming video. It's just me, as a pro videographer.
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-thomascook578
I would say the Frecciarossa is better than the tgv, but (at present) it must be a pain there's no high speed line the whole route
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I would say the Frecciarossa is better than the tgv, but (at present) it must be a pain there's no high speed line the whole route
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-ce1834
This route has been neglected for years, now Trenitalia's bringing the competition into France, watch how quickly these get improved haha
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This route has been neglected for years, now Trenitalia's bringing the competition into France, watch how quickly these get improved haha
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-johannesbols57
Mondane figures in Arnold Bennett's novel 'Accident', about an overnight express sleeper train that derails near Mondane.
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Mondane figures in Arnold Bennett's novel 'Accident', about an overnight express sleeper train that derails near Mondane.
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-SieurBrabantio
not going to the main station, and not allowed to the hight speed section in italy. look like it's not equal concurence.
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not going to the main station, and not allowed to the hight speed section in italy. look like it's not equal concurence.
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-aussienscale
Pity the Frecciarossa is not available on the Eurail Global Pass, will be the TGV for us, unless it changes, but doubt it!
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Pity the Frecciarossa is not available on the Eurail Global Pass, will be the TGV for us, unless it changes, but doubt it!
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-jacquesleroux5069
Agree, train is better than air. And yes covering train windows with commercial/EU marketing material is not on!
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Agree, train is better than air. And yes covering train windows with commercial/EU marketing material is not on!
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-479santa61
I felt that it was a vehicle that was running faster than the Japanese Shinkansen and could be moved more comfortably.
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I felt that it was a vehicle that was running faster than the Japanese Shinkansen and could be moved more comfortably.
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