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Date: 2019-11-01
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Alasdair Watson
I made a pigs ear of my previous submission (Im old and this is a computer, so please allow me to correct it. I asked my son, a Committee member of the Harry Potter Society at the University of Edinburgh about the Nagini controversy and in half an hour he had sent m this: Part of the issue is that it was never referenced earlier in the story, and therefore has no foreshadowing for this reveal - it's not be established, and therefore is not a twist. It just a contortion. Part of the issue is that she's one of the few non-white roles in a setting which makes itself open to non-white roles - lower-class Paris, specifically a travelling circus. Plus, the series in general has been lacking non-white roles, which is either unrepresentative and/or unrealistic, considering the main setting of the last film was Harlem. In the 30s. With 0 notable black characters. So yes, making an Asian woman here looks like a desparate attempt to seem modern and progressive. Part of it is that stereotype of the submissive Asian woman, which Nagini eventually becomes to Voldemort - yes, when she's submissive she's an animal. But that rather makes it worse, when you consider she is one of the few Asian - one of the few non-white - roles in the entire Series. To have her character development be, And then she became a snake and Voldemort's pet. is already rather. boring, since there's no mystery as to what's going to happen to her - and casting her with a race that is already stereotyped as submissive, deferential, and exotic is. unfortunate. Part of the it is the Gender issue, as JK has said that her affliction - Maledictus - is an inherited blood curse that only affects women, passing from mother to daughter. Eventually, you will be transformed into a beast and be unable to turn back. Ignoring the racial coding of Asians being untrustworthy and snake-like, having WOMEN be untrustworthy, sneaky, and prone to coiling and - as seen in the later series - wrapping themselves around men is. likewise unfortunate. The fact that it is a condition from BIRTH and not a choice is even worse, as it creates the idea that some women are just. like that, that's what they do. And more over, it's ONLY women that are like that. Only women are genetically predisposed to becoming beasts - mindless and untrustworthy, like a snake - am I right, lads? Part of the problem is that, if we go with the age of the actress, Nagini is 33. Now, let's be generous and say that the actually character is a decade younger (because Hollywood, young characters, plus she's a woman so she needs to be younger than her male co-stars) so 23. In 1998, the year of her death, she is 94. The oldest recorded snake, ever, was 40. Now, maybe magic extended her life - except that the entire - and I do mean ENTIRE - point of Voldemort is his fear of Death. The Philosopher's Stone, Diary-with-Soul inside, Resurrection in Goblet of Fire, Prophect-fortelling-his-Death in Order of the Phoenix, Horcruxes in Half Blood PRince, and Deathly Hallows in Deathly Hallows are focuses of the plot because immortality is hard/impossible to attain, and Tom never wants to die. So Nagini being immortal/long lived NEEDS an explanation, or the ENTIRE FIRST SERIES is rendered pointless. And even if an explanation is provided, it needs to be an explanation that Tom would not try and replicate. Which, considering he's considered one of the greatest wizards of the age, would be interesting to see him fail at it. Part of the problem is that Nagini recieved no sympathetic treatment in the original series, and is brutally beheaded by Neville. That was fine when she was a snake, who cares? She's a snake that eats people - alive and dead - and nearly murdered Arthur Weasley - one of the few objectively likeable people in the series. Good, I'm glad - go Neville. That was his one real moment of heroism, that proved he was a Gryffindor. Except now he's beheading an Asian woman that has had her personality surpressed (or possibly Nagini just turned evil, we don't know) via a process she had not choice in. It's just. morally complicated, and wholly ignored by the author. Part of the problem is that she is a Korean actress playing a creature inspired by Indian culture - which is either a wasted oppertunity to have an Indian actress and have it be thematically approrpiate (because there is merit to saying Diversity for diversity's sake is bad, it should only happen when it makes sense) and/or it is evidence that JK doesn't care WHICH people of colour she puts in her work, so long as SOME of them are. She's still get Progressive Points from people who care about Blind Diversity, without any thought for what the role actually entails. My problem is not that she's a woman. My problem is that Nagini is a submissive, trickster, venomous, coiling, Snake - and JK has now said she is a literal woman, and that the aforementioned condition is something ONLY women can be. Which is needlessly drawing comparisons between the product - evil snake, don't trust them - and the gender - women. This wouldn't be an issue if JK hadn't specifically said Maledictuses(sic) are all women. My problem is not that she's a non-white antagonist. My problem is that she's a specifically ASian women in yet another submissive, suplicating, coiling villain role - a la Kelly Hu from TMNT, The Sisters from Kubo and the Two Strings, or the numerous Asian Bond Girls/Femme Fatales. My problem is not that it changes what we thought we knew about a character. It's that it had no foreshadowing, aside from the fact that some Naga (female Nagi, hence Nagini) are SOMETIMES depicted as Half-human, half snakes. They are also depicted as All Snake or Winged Snakes, or Multi-Headed snakes. So that is already pretty loose foreshadowing, as only one of the possible forms was revealed - there's also the fact that it is a Korean woman playing her - why cite a culture you are then not going to represent? It just seems like a cop-out.
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I made a pigs ear of my previous submission (Im old and this is a computer, so please allow me to correct it. I asked my son, a Committee member of the Harry Potter Society at the University of Edinburgh about the Nagini controversy and in half an hour he had sent m this: Part of the issue is that it was never referenced earlier in the story, and therefore has no foreshadowing for this reveal - it's not be established, and therefore is not a twist. It just a contortion. Part of the issue is that she's one of the few non-white roles in a setting which makes itself open to non-white roles - lower-class Paris, specifically a travelling circus. Plus, the series in general has been lacking non-white roles, which is either unrepresentative and/or unrealistic, considering the main setting of the last film was Harlem. In the 30s. With 0 notable black characters. So yes, making an Asian woman here looks like a desparate attempt to seem modern and progressive. Part of it is that stereotype of the submissive Asian woman, which Nagini eventually becomes to Voldemort - yes, when she's submissive she's an animal. But that rather makes it worse, when you consider she is one of the few Asian - one of the few non-white - roles in the entire Series. To have her character development be, And then she became a snake and Voldemort's pet. is already rather. boring, since there's no mystery as to what's going to happen to her - and casting her with a race that is already stereotyped as submissive, deferential, and exotic is. unfortunate. Part of the it is the Gender issue, as JK has said that her affliction - Maledictus - is an inherited blood curse that only affects women, passing from mother to daughter. Eventually, you will be transformed into a beast and be unable to turn back. Ignoring the racial coding of Asians being untrustworthy and snake-like, having WOMEN be untrustworthy, sneaky, and prone to coiling and - as seen in the later series - wrapping themselves around men is. likewise unfortunate. The fact that it is a condition from BIRTH and not a choice is even worse, as it creates the idea that some women are just. like that, that's what they do. And more over, it's ONLY women that are like that. Only women are genetically predisposed to becoming beasts - mindless and untrustworthy, like a snake - am I right, lads? Part of the problem is that, if we go with the age of the actress, Nagini is 33. Now, let's be generous and say that the actually character is a decade younger (because Hollywood, young characters, plus she's a woman so she needs to be younger than her male co-stars) so 23. In 1998, the year of her death, she is 94. The oldest recorded snake, ever, was 40. Now, maybe magic extended her life - except that the entire - and I do mean ENTIRE - point of Voldemort is his fear of Death. The Philosopher's Stone, Diary-with-Soul inside, Resurrection in Goblet of Fire, Prophect-fortelling-his-Death in Order of the Phoenix, Horcruxes in Half Blood PRince, and Deathly Hallows in Deathly Hallows are focuses of the plot because immortality is hard/impossible to attain, and Tom never wants to die. So Nagini being immortal/long lived NEEDS an explanation, or the ENTIRE FIRST SERIES is rendered pointless. And even if an explanation is provided, it needs to be an explanation that Tom would not try and replicate. Which, considering he's considered one of the greatest wizards of the age, would be interesting to see him fail at it. Part of the problem is that Nagini recieved no sympathetic treatment in the original series, and is brutally beheaded by Neville. That was fine when she was a snake, who cares? She's a snake that eats people - alive and dead - and nearly murdered Arthur Weasley - one of the few objectively likeable people in the series. Good, I'm glad - go Neville. That was his one real moment of heroism, that proved he was a Gryffindor. Except now he's beheading an Asian woman that has had her personality surpressed (or possibly Nagini just turned evil, we don't know) via a process she had not choice in. It's just. morally complicated, and wholly ignored by the author. Part of the problem is that she is a Korean actress playing a creature inspired by Indian culture - which is either a wasted oppertunity to have an Indian actress and have it be thematically approrpiate (because there is merit to saying Diversity for diversity's sake is bad, it should only happen when it makes sense) and/or it is evidence that JK doesn't care WHICH people of colour she puts in her work, so long as SOME of them are. She's still get Progressive Points from people who care about Blind Diversity, without any thought for what the role actually entails. My problem is not that she's a woman. My problem is that Nagini is a submissive, trickster, venomous, coiling, Snake - and JK has now said she is a literal woman, and that the aforementioned condition is something ONLY women can be. Which is needlessly drawing comparisons between the product - evil snake, don't trust them - and the gender - women. This wouldn't be an issue if JK hadn't specifically said Maledictuses(sic) are all women. My problem is not that she's a non-white antagonist. My problem is that she's a specifically ASian women in yet another submissive, suplicating, coiling villain role - a la Kelly Hu from TMNT, The Sisters from Kubo and the Two Strings, or the numerous Asian Bond Girls/Femme Fatales. My problem is not that it changes what we thought we knew about a character. It's that it had no foreshadowing, aside from the fact that some Naga (female Nagi, hence Nagini) are SOMETIMES depicted as Half-human, half snakes. They are also depicted as All Snake or Winged Snakes, or Multi-Headed snakes. So that is already pretty loose foreshadowing, as only one of the possible forms was revealed - there's also the fact that it is a Korean woman playing her - why cite a culture you are then not going to represent? It just seems like a cop-out.
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Elliot Lilius
On the J. K. Rowling story: I've read the books. The snake actually being an asian woman is a MAJOR afterthought. Rowling has said that this movie has been on her mind for a long time, and that this was planned. In that case, she kind of tricked us into thinking that Nagini dying in the series was just an evil snake dying, when actually Neville killed a cursed woman. This is exactly what J. K. Rowling does. Yes, the HP movies wasn't very good at representation, but now she gets a chance to make the universe better, aaand. she doesn't. She did the same by saying that Dumbledore is gay after the HP series came out. She specified that Grinderwald who is the MAIN VILLAN of the newer movie series was Dumbledore's love interest, and that his love for him wasn't returned. THAT would be a MAJOR PLOT POINT is the new movie coming out, but APPARENTLY that wasn't important enough to show. J. K. Rowling is only sharing these things to get a positive public opinion about herself, but doesn't actually mean to give movies the representation they need, despite the major influence she has right now. In my personal opinion, she's a total TERF. I'm sad that the HP universe didn't take turn for the better. The dedicated fans deserve better.
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On the J. K. Rowling story: I've read the books. The snake actually being an asian woman is a MAJOR afterthought. Rowling has said that this movie has been on her mind for a long time, and that this was planned. In that case, she kind of tricked us into thinking that Nagini dying in the series was just an evil snake dying, when actually Neville killed a cursed woman. This is exactly what J. K. Rowling does. Yes, the HP movies wasn't very good at representation, but now she gets a chance to make the universe better, aaand. she doesn't. She did the same by saying that Dumbledore is gay after the HP series came out. She specified that Grinderwald who is the MAIN VILLAN of the newer movie series was Dumbledore's love interest, and that his love for him wasn't returned. THAT would be a MAJOR PLOT POINT is the new movie coming out, but APPARENTLY that wasn't important enough to show. J. K. Rowling is only sharing these things to get a positive public opinion about herself, but doesn't actually mean to give movies the representation they need, despite the major influence she has right now. In my personal opinion, she's a total TERF. I'm sad that the HP universe didn't take turn for the better. The dedicated fans deserve better.
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LiekkeenValve
Having read all Harry Potter books, as well as spending time in Pottermore and other sources of extended materials for that story arc, Nagini has always been depicted as a treasured, hyper-intelligent familiar snake to Voldemort, occasionally shown that Voldemort treated her (and she was identified as her) with great respect and affection. On the fourth book, Nagini even had a motherly aspect of feeding of homonculi-Voldemort prior to regaining of his body at the end of the book. To me, it wouldn't be a stretch to find her to have been a human locked in a shape of a snake. In a lot of Asian cultures snakes have a highly regarded, intelligent and healing image, and I believe the myth of Nagas are rather well known (from northern Europe, I'm familiar with it. The cultural aspect seems a little bit of a stretch, as there are Padma&Patil (Indians, Zabini (Italian, Chang (Chinese) and books have described Lee Jordan, Dean Thomas, Angelina Johnson and Kingsley Shacklebolt as black (though some translations have removed these identifiers. In books, Hermione Granger has also been described as very brown, but with no further identifiers.
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Having read all Harry Potter books, as well as spending time in Pottermore and other sources of extended materials for that story arc, Nagini has always been depicted as a treasured, hyper-intelligent familiar snake to Voldemort, occasionally shown that Voldemort treated her (and she was identified as her) with great respect and affection. On the fourth book, Nagini even had a motherly aspect of feeding of homonculi-Voldemort prior to regaining of his body at the end of the book. To me, it wouldn't be a stretch to find her to have been a human locked in a shape of a snake. In a lot of Asian cultures snakes have a highly regarded, intelligent and healing image, and I believe the myth of Nagas are rather well known (from northern Europe, I'm familiar with it. The cultural aspect seems a little bit of a stretch, as there are Padma&Patil (Indians, Zabini (Italian, Chang (Chinese) and books have described Lee Jordan, Dean Thomas, Angelina Johnson and Kingsley Shacklebolt as black (though some translations have removed these identifiers. In books, Hermione Granger has also been described as very brown, but with no further identifiers.
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Kelsey Olson
Im a huge Harry Potter fan, BUT J. K has been trying to hard to be cool and liberal after the books were written. A great example is her saying that Dumbledore was gay on twitter years after the last book was published. Like- if he was gay, you should have written him in as gay. She cant make tweaks to a series that has already been published. When she wrote the series, political correctness and liberalism werent as mainstream as they are now, and I think that instead of trying to diversify the characters after them being written, I think she should own up to the fact that theres not a lot of diversity when it comes to Harry Potter characters. Do I think that the movies should be diverse? Yes, completely. J. K didnt always say this character is white or this character is a person of color, and even if she did, its not like the race of the character defines the character. What Im trying to say is, J. K is trying to make up for how white the Harry Potter movies were- but shes not doing a great job. I love the books and Ill always be a fan, but J. K does get on my nerves
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Im a huge Harry Potter fan, BUT J. K has been trying to hard to be cool and liberal after the books were written. A great example is her saying that Dumbledore was gay on twitter years after the last book was published. Like- if he was gay, you should have written him in as gay. She cant make tweaks to a series that has already been published. When she wrote the series, political correctness and liberalism werent as mainstream as they are now, and I think that instead of trying to diversify the characters after them being written, I think she should own up to the fact that theres not a lot of diversity when it comes to Harry Potter characters. Do I think that the movies should be diverse? Yes, completely. J. K didnt always say this character is white or this character is a person of color, and even if she did, its not like the race of the character defines the character. What Im trying to say is, J. K is trying to make up for how white the Harry Potter movies were- but shes not doing a great job. I love the books and Ill always be a fan, but J. K does get on my nerves
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Krysten Richards
As a lifelong HP fan, I've spent a lot of my time researching and listening to interviews with JKR with regards to her use of cultural and linguistic backgrounds in her writing (a common example would be the Latin bases for spells. She has spoken on Nagini before, and it makes complete sense to me that Nagini's human form would be that of an Asian female. I can agree with the backlash regarding the lack of Asian characters in the movies, but the books don't feature many ethnic descriptors for characters, leaving them somewhat open to interpretation (hence, adult Hermione being played onstage by a black woman. As a society, I think that we tend to sort through all of the amazing aspects of a person's life, only to focus on something negative. JKR has always been an advocate for those without a voice, but it is impossible for her to please everyone. I can ABSOLUTELY acknowledge that there is a lack of representation in popular film for the Asian community, however let's direct our demands for change towards the people who are casting the films
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As a lifelong HP fan, I've spent a lot of my time researching and listening to interviews with JKR with regards to her use of cultural and linguistic backgrounds in her writing (a common example would be the Latin bases for spells. She has spoken on Nagini before, and it makes complete sense to me that Nagini's human form would be that of an Asian female. I can agree with the backlash regarding the lack of Asian characters in the movies, but the books don't feature many ethnic descriptors for characters, leaving them somewhat open to interpretation (hence, adult Hermione being played onstage by a black woman. As a society, I think that we tend to sort through all of the amazing aspects of a person's life, only to focus on something negative. JKR has always been an advocate for those without a voice, but it is impossible for her to please everyone. I can ABSOLUTELY acknowledge that there is a lack of representation in popular film for the Asian community, however let's direct our demands for change towards the people who are casting the films
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Charley Egden
i think the harry potter thing is an interesting topic because thinking back to the books there's like. one asian character i can remember, and that's cho chang, who basically is portrayed as like. a really whiny girl in the books who latches onto harry after the death of her boyfriend (cedric diggory) and their relationship is basically him being romantically interested and her being incredibly confused about what she's feeling because of. y'know, the trauma? and then it ends up being her overreacting to him being insensitive and like. she doesn't really get a redemption arc? but when it comes to these films now i think it's up to the asian community to decide how to react - i'm white, i can't see it in the same way because i don't know the experience of not being represented in film and novels. people have brought up really good points about it, and i think crying PEOPLE WILL GET OFFENDED BY ANYTHING doesn't really do anything but make that person look like a dick y'know
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i think the harry potter thing is an interesting topic because thinking back to the books there's like. one asian character i can remember, and that's cho chang, who basically is portrayed as like. a really whiny girl in the books who latches onto harry after the death of her boyfriend (cedric diggory) and their relationship is basically him being romantically interested and her being incredibly confused about what she's feeling because of. y'know, the trauma? and then it ends up being her overreacting to him being insensitive and like. she doesn't really get a redemption arc? but when it comes to these films now i think it's up to the asian community to decide how to react - i'm white, i can't see it in the same way because i don't know the experience of not being represented in film and novels. people have brought up really good points about it, and i think crying PEOPLE WILL GET OFFENDED BY ANYTHING doesn't really do anything but make that person look like a dick y'know
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KaytOfTheBlackCoats
Ahem. No. Just, no. Jeez, why do people always get so offended by literally everything? Harry Potter is a universe where people get associated with/turned into animals on the regular This is also a universe where the main character, a white man, has a deep afinity with snakes Can people please chill the f out and let yourselves enjoy something for once in your miserable lives? Using folklore and myth from other countries besides Europe is a GOOD thing, people It's interesting and new And it exposes other cultures to people Seriously, people need to lighten up and stop reading so much negativity into every little thing. It's like they're just determined to find something to be angry about at all times. That CAN'T be good for your health, guys. Go take a nap, drink some tea, get those stress levels down. Seriously.
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Ahem. No. Just, no. Jeez, why do people always get so offended by literally everything? Harry Potter is a universe where people get associated with/turned into animals on the regular This is also a universe where the main character, a white man, has a deep afinity with snakes Can people please chill the f out and let yourselves enjoy something for once in your miserable lives? Using folklore and myth from other countries besides Europe is a GOOD thing, people It's interesting and new And it exposes other cultures to people Seriously, people need to lighten up and stop reading so much negativity into every little thing. It's like they're just determined to find something to be angry about at all times. That CAN'T be good for your health, guys. Go take a nap, drink some tea, get those stress levels down. Seriously.
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Jojogrrness
Not going to lie, I read nearly all the Harry Potter books when they came out (think I was just late to finding and reading the first few, but with the rest I was one of the kids waiting for the the bookstore to open to grab a copy as soon as I could) but being only 15 when The Deathly Hallows came out and genuinely having no knowledge at all about racial discrimination, never having seen or heard of any where I live, so I was young and never noticed anything then. It's been such a long time since I'd re-read them even too so that will effect my memory but. Honestly can only think of one character from the top of my head that I can recall being distinctly not white (unless there were others in description that I can't remember) but. Cho Chang. Yeah.
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Not going to lie, I read nearly all the Harry Potter books when they came out (think I was just late to finding and reading the first few, but with the rest I was one of the kids waiting for the the bookstore to open to grab a copy as soon as I could) but being only 15 when The Deathly Hallows came out and genuinely having no knowledge at all about racial discrimination, never having seen or heard of any where I live, so I was young and never noticed anything then. It's been such a long time since I'd re-read them even too so that will effect my memory but. Honestly can only think of one character from the top of my head that I can recall being distinctly not white (unless there were others in description that I can't remember) but. Cho Chang. Yeah.
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Kazek Lokuciewski
Give the kid back. They have the evidence that they re educating their child about society and seeing how it functions. Yes, they want to make a living and yes they used their child, who will inherit that living, but there are plenty of people who will leave their child in front of a screen all day. Being involved in projects like this, even from a young age, is probably better for them. Thinking outside the box. Acting. If you want to ruin a child taking them from their parents is a guarantee so you have to be absolutely sure the parents are an ongoing threat to the child. Police right to arrest and investigate BUT, on seeing the footage should have child returned ASAP. This is the biggest harm being done to the child.
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Give the kid back. They have the evidence that they re educating their child about society and seeing how it functions. Yes, they want to make a living and yes they used their child, who will inherit that living, but there are plenty of people who will leave their child in front of a screen all day. Being involved in projects like this, even from a young age, is probably better for them. Thinking outside the box. Acting. If you want to ruin a child taking them from their parents is a guarantee so you have to be absolutely sure the parents are an ongoing threat to the child. Police right to arrest and investigate BUT, on seeing the footage should have child returned ASAP. This is the biggest harm being done to the child.
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