Why People Are Freaking Out About James Charles, Duke's Controversy, Face Tattoos Hit New Low & More
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Date: 2019-11-01
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Lauren
Regarding the Duke University segmentI don't think professor Neely was in the wrong, I think she was misunderstood. If you don't speak a common language, you limit the amount of people you can reach. Speaking multiple languages is amazing and valuable. But what about the conversations one would not have because they choose to not speak the common tongue? What if you were talking about an idea with someone, and an interested person in business was nearby- but because you weren't speaking the common tongue, that business person would never overhear the idea and start a conversation with you, and hence you can't collaborate on something that could've been soooo much bigger than just a conversation with a friend. It's a natural consequence. And I'm not saying that the scenario I threw out is easy or common, thats not the point. The point is the lost opportunity you didn't even know was possible. Also, I think she does have a point that they're missing out on the opportunity for practice. Language is difficult, practice when you can-particularly when you're surrounded by natural speakers.
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Regarding the Duke University segmentI don't think professor Neely was in the wrong, I think she was misunderstood. If you don't speak a common language, you limit the amount of people you can reach. Speaking multiple languages is amazing and valuable. But what about the conversations one would not have because they choose to not speak the common tongue? What if you were talking about an idea with someone, and an interested person in business was nearby- but because you weren't speaking the common tongue, that business person would never overhear the idea and start a conversation with you, and hence you can't collaborate on something that could've been soooo much bigger than just a conversation with a friend. It's a natural consequence. And I'm not saying that the scenario I threw out is easy or common, thats not the point. The point is the lost opportunity you didn't even know was possible. Also, I think she does have a point that they're missing out on the opportunity for practice. Language is difficult, practice when you can-particularly when you're surrounded by natural speakers.
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Gigi DiVine
Regarding the Duke University story, I feel that the teacher may have been warning the students about other teachers. Masters programs are brutal (Im in a forensic investigation masters program, and sometimes, there are teachers that will make it even more difficult. Ive been in a situation where I was told, in no uncertain terms, that whether I agreed with the teacher or not, they were right. I felt like my future and grades were being held over my head to influence my behavior. My heart goes out to those students and to the teacher. Masters programs arent a safe area from discrimination or prejudice; rather, when someone suffers from some kind of hate, they call it discretion. I really hope those students continue to speak in their native tongue, as any true intellectual would know that being at the very least bilingual is one of the best things to promote community and a broader world view. Plus, I ask this: do any of those teachers speak another language?
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Regarding the Duke University story, I feel that the teacher may have been warning the students about other teachers. Masters programs are brutal (Im in a forensic investigation masters program, and sometimes, there are teachers that will make it even more difficult. Ive been in a situation where I was told, in no uncertain terms, that whether I agreed with the teacher or not, they were right. I felt like my future and grades were being held over my head to influence my behavior. My heart goes out to those students and to the teacher. Masters programs arent a safe area from discrimination or prejudice; rather, when someone suffers from some kind of hate, they call it discretion. I really hope those students continue to speak in their native tongue, as any true intellectual would know that being at the very least bilingual is one of the best things to promote community and a broader world view. Plus, I ask this: do any of those teachers speak another language?
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Erin
I actually don't see anything wrong with what the faculty were doing. They perceived speaking in a foreign language amongst themselves while in school as not making an effort to learn English. Which absolutely could speak to their motivation and aspirations within the program. It's not really any different than seeing a student who lacks initiative in any other area that pertains to their education or career. We arent talking about a group of people talking privately outside a movie theatre; they're choosing to converse in chinese while theyre at work, where learning and communicating in English is a major factor. Could it have been worded or explained better? Absolutely. Was it racist? No. If anything, she was trying to be helpful in encouraging the students to realize that whole they're in school, their behaviour and choices matter.
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I actually don't see anything wrong with what the faculty were doing. They perceived speaking in a foreign language amongst themselves while in school as not making an effort to learn English. Which absolutely could speak to their motivation and aspirations within the program. It's not really any different than seeing a student who lacks initiative in any other area that pertains to their education or career. We arent talking about a group of people talking privately outside a movie theatre; they're choosing to converse in chinese while theyre at work, where learning and communicating in English is a major factor. Could it have been worded or explained better? Absolutely. Was it racist? No. If anything, she was trying to be helpful in encouraging the students to realize that whole they're in school, their behaviour and choices matter.
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Seal Of Apoorval
Just because someone choses to speak in their native language with their friends doesn't mean that they can't speak english and need to take every opportunity to perfect it. I know a ton on international students (including myself) who are perfectly fluent in English and might I add even better than some of the native speakers, and yet when we are with our friends we choose to speak our native language just as a way to chill. These emails just show how very arrogant and condescending that professor is thinking every international student is bad at english and must take every opportunity they can to perfect and better your English. I even think she was just making up those things that the faculty members complained to her, and that its just she who has the problem to begin with.
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Just because someone choses to speak in their native language with their friends doesn't mean that they can't speak english and need to take every opportunity to perfect it. I know a ton on international students (including myself) who are perfectly fluent in English and might I add even better than some of the native speakers, and yet when we are with our friends we choose to speak our native language just as a way to chill. These emails just show how very arrogant and condescending that professor is thinking every international student is bad at english and must take every opportunity they can to perfect and better your English. I even think she was just making up those things that the faculty members complained to her, and that its just she who has the problem to begin with.
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Kinza N
To be completely frank, having international students OR domestic students who speak a language that is not the national language of the country is perceived as being rude more often than not. I personally use my second language only when something I am saying would be offensive to someone else. It takes away personal responsibility when you cannot be understood. You are free to say what you like, but it is respectful to speak in a language those around you understand. That all being said, nobody is obliged to be respectful in every day or academic settings, but those who aren't should not turn around and be shocked when opportunities are taken away from them. It was a matter of disrespect, and language just so happened to be a part of the disrespectful behaviour.
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To be completely frank, having international students OR domestic students who speak a language that is not the national language of the country is perceived as being rude more often than not. I personally use my second language only when something I am saying would be offensive to someone else. It takes away personal responsibility when you cannot be understood. You are free to say what you like, but it is respectful to speak in a language those around you understand. That all being said, nobody is obliged to be respectful in every day or academic settings, but those who aren't should not turn around and be shocked when opportunities are taken away from them. It was a matter of disrespect, and language just so happened to be a part of the disrespectful behaviour.
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Lady NoShoes
What do you expect from the Chinese? They are Asia's most rude nation. They are ignorant and have no respect for privacy or someone's culture. They refused to understand or learn the language of the country they're living in. The professor was correct. If these idiots of China goes to France, they are full well expected to speak either in English or French. Refusing to learn or speak the language in an area where common language is mandatory, warrants letter of warning for disrupting the harmony that the campus was trying to achieve. But it is also fair if I go to China, I would not expect people to speak in language I know. Neither will I demand for them to speak in English even when the campus is an international campus.
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What do you expect from the Chinese? They are Asia's most rude nation. They are ignorant and have no respect for privacy or someone's culture. They refused to understand or learn the language of the country they're living in. The professor was correct. If these idiots of China goes to France, they are full well expected to speak either in English or French. Refusing to learn or speak the language in an area where common language is mandatory, warrants letter of warning for disrupting the harmony that the campus was trying to achieve. But it is also fair if I go to China, I would not expect people to speak in language I know. Neither will I demand for them to speak in English even when the campus is an international campus.
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mimi9306
Domics, Cinemasins, Philip Defranco, and SorrowTV although my immediate fam know about the Defranco fam because my young cousin loved watching Trey. I really think she shouldve defended the students to the faculty members and I can imagine what she thought the email would convey but it came across as telling the students they were wrong for speaking Chinese instead of English. When in actuality those faculty members should pull their heads out of their asses. If the students are speaking among themselves in Chinese why is that their business? Are they so bored and nosy that they need to snoop on students conversations and when they cant their first instinct is to limit the opportunities these students can explore.
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Domics, Cinemasins, Philip Defranco, and SorrowTV although my immediate fam know about the Defranco fam because my young cousin loved watching Trey. I really think she shouldve defended the students to the faculty members and I can imagine what she thought the email would convey but it came across as telling the students they were wrong for speaking Chinese instead of English. When in actuality those faculty members should pull their heads out of their asses. If the students are speaking among themselves in Chinese why is that their business? Are they so bored and nosy that they need to snoop on students conversations and when they cant their first instinct is to limit the opportunities these students can explore.
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Taga Way
LoLI don't think the James Charles is generational. I think there are people from all generations that know him, Anddddd there are people from this generation that DOES NOT know him. There's nothing wrong with no knowing himHe does have a target audience, But he transcends age, because girls of all ages. generations. might bump into his video. Plus he features other people and/or brands. So people might know him from those things. I'm not into make up at all but I know who he is. I usually check the trendy page and see his name. I know he is very popular. And apparently pretty good at what he does. My respectBut I don't need to know him just because I'm in my 20's too Lol.
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LoLI don't think the James Charles is generational. I think there are people from all generations that know him, Anddddd there are people from this generation that DOES NOT know him. There's nothing wrong with no knowing himHe does have a target audience, But he transcends age, because girls of all ages. generations. might bump into his video. Plus he features other people and/or brands. So people might know him from those things. I'm not into make up at all but I know who he is. I usually check the trendy page and see his name. I know he is very popular. And apparently pretty good at what he does. My respectBut I don't need to know him just because I'm in my 20's too Lol.
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rodriguezc19
I think no matter how 'well intentioned' the professor's email was, she was still in the wrong. She was still expecting her students to continue to make adjustments for racists. Just because a student feels more comfortable speaking their native language doesn't mean they can't speak English, it's a private conversation. I speak two languages fluently 4 conversationally; there are words, phrases and feelings that are untranslateable. If I'm speaking to someone who speaks my intended language that's what should matter. If anything that should be seen as a plus that I could communicate in more than one language and therefore more marketable in the job/ intern market.
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I think no matter how 'well intentioned' the professor's email was, she was still in the wrong. She was still expecting her students to continue to make adjustments for racists. Just because a student feels more comfortable speaking their native language doesn't mean they can't speak English, it's a private conversation. I speak two languages fluently 4 conversationally; there are words, phrases and feelings that are untranslateable. If I'm speaking to someone who speaks my intended language that's what should matter. If anything that should be seen as a plus that I could communicate in more than one language and therefore more marketable in the job/ intern market.
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