Call Her Daddy's Backstabbing & Controversy. Why Fans Are Furious & This Will Keep Happening (BONUS)
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Date: 2020-05-22
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Krotoxx
While i would support the people in the podcasts because thats who i follow something for, I would side with the companies in this instances completely. They were a very small name, so you sign a contract for your value at the time and then when the contract is up you can take your new value and levy more. You dont see sports players sign a 3 year entry contract and then after getting MVP and winning the championship in their rookie year all of a sudden go to the team owner and say hey even though i agreed to play at this value because that was what i was worth and it locked me into that price i now am worth more so i demand more or im going to a different team. A lot of these people who make a show and sell it dont realize that they buy you for your current value and that is what your contract is based on until it expires. they might be willing to renegotiate as you get bigger because they want to keep that revenue but if they dont, that was on your end of the deal. Make clauses in the contract to state that if after say 1 year you get a certain number of views/downloads etc your contract pay gets bumped up. Thats what sports players do. The rookie that won the championship? he has a clause in his contract saying if he wins it all in his rookie year hes now worth and paid x amount of dollars. Thats how the real world works. You trade your freedom to do what you want with the brand/show/podcast whenever you want in exchange for a platform to allow yourself to get exposure while getting paid.
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While i would support the people in the podcasts because thats who i follow something for, I would side with the companies in this instances completely. They were a very small name, so you sign a contract for your value at the time and then when the contract is up you can take your new value and levy more. You dont see sports players sign a 3 year entry contract and then after getting MVP and winning the championship in their rookie year all of a sudden go to the team owner and say hey even though i agreed to play at this value because that was what i was worth and it locked me into that price i now am worth more so i demand more or im going to a different team. A lot of these people who make a show and sell it dont realize that they buy you for your current value and that is what your contract is based on until it expires. they might be willing to renegotiate as you get bigger because they want to keep that revenue but if they dont, that was on your end of the deal. Make clauses in the contract to state that if after say 1 year you get a certain number of views/downloads etc your contract pay gets bumped up. Thats what sports players do. The rookie that won the championship? he has a clause in his contract saying if he wins it all in his rookie year hes now worth and paid x amount of dollars. Thats how the real world works. You trade your freedom to do what you want with the brand/show/podcast whenever you want in exchange for a platform to allow yourself to get exposure while getting paid.
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Liquid
Those two clearly have no business acumen. you sign a contract AFTER a trustworthy lawyer of yours has vetted the stipulations and you negotiate until you get what you want, within reason for your draw, and then you grow under the initial contract and also never go behind your partner's back to try and negotiate for yourself if you both are the show as it shows you are not to be trusted and are simply a business snake. Barstool sucks on it's own, These two have a weak ear destroying podcast, and I do know understand how these two women do not understand that without the both of them and a backer their show would not have made it off of the launchpad. if they split up and Barstool sued them then not only is their podcast DOA so is their livelihood in the digital space and from the sounds of it the friendship has already ended. Barstool is like a vampire chewing young creators up, putting them in shite contracts, then murdering them in court. I hope the 15 minutes of acting like fools for horny teen boys was worth their livelihood and friendship. NEVER GO INTO BUSINESS WITH FRIENDS OR FAMILY IT ONLY ENDS IN DISASTERS
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Those two clearly have no business acumen. you sign a contract AFTER a trustworthy lawyer of yours has vetted the stipulations and you negotiate until you get what you want, within reason for your draw, and then you grow under the initial contract and also never go behind your partner's back to try and negotiate for yourself if you both are the show as it shows you are not to be trusted and are simply a business snake. Barstool sucks on it's own, These two have a weak ear destroying podcast, and I do know understand how these two women do not understand that without the both of them and a backer their show would not have made it off of the launchpad. if they split up and Barstool sued them then not only is their podcast DOA so is their livelihood in the digital space and from the sounds of it the friendship has already ended. Barstool is like a vampire chewing young creators up, putting them in shite contracts, then murdering them in court. I hope the 15 minutes of acting like fools for horny teen boys was worth their livelihood and friendship. NEVER GO INTO BUSINESS WITH FRIENDS OR FAMILY IT ONLY ENDS IN DISASTERS
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KCmetwo
you signed a contract which means you did something adult, you made a commitment to something. Just because you wanna be a brat and try to get more money, that's not the way to do it. You RENEGOTIATE said contract. When they signed that contract call her daddy was a NOBODY, they took a chance, a risk, rolled the dice you could say. The show got popular. Now she's gettin greedy and want's 50%. So, if the show nosedives next year does that mean they don't have to pay her at all? Her actions are making fans wonder if they can trust her. They had a schedule and now she's been off air, that's giving the fans time to find something new, and with the current situation of the world we all have a LOT of time on our hands even with states starting to open up slowly. There is going to be a new normal and somethin tells me call her daddy is going to be left behind, because any company that would attempt to allow them to break a contract isn't a good one to work for, because that's slimy. You don't wanna work for slimy companies that's how you end up in the gutter wondering how you ended up on the street with nothin.
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you signed a contract which means you did something adult, you made a commitment to something. Just because you wanna be a brat and try to get more money, that's not the way to do it. You RENEGOTIATE said contract. When they signed that contract call her daddy was a NOBODY, they took a chance, a risk, rolled the dice you could say. The show got popular. Now she's gettin greedy and want's 50%. So, if the show nosedives next year does that mean they don't have to pay her at all? Her actions are making fans wonder if they can trust her. They had a schedule and now she's been off air, that's giving the fans time to find something new, and with the current situation of the world we all have a LOT of time on our hands even with states starting to open up slowly. There is going to be a new normal and somethin tells me call her daddy is going to be left behind, because any company that would attempt to allow them to break a contract isn't a good one to work for, because that's slimy. You don't wanna work for slimy companies that's how you end up in the gutter wondering how you ended up on the street with nothin.
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Sork
Thats just greed pure and simple. This is coming from a middle class nobody who makes about 50K a year if im lucky, so I dont know anything about them high society problems But this is what I see. He was willing to offer to renegotiate for 1 year, during that time they could continue to build their brand, and get a larger fan base. At the end of the year they get the IP and part ways with the company and start making that Joe Rogan money. well maybe not that much but a hell of a lot more than 500K. As is stands now they are making absolutely nothing, destroying their own brand, losing their fan base, might get sued, and probably ruining any chance they had at making anywhere near the amount of money they were going to be capable of making after that 1 year. And on top of all that it seems like there is trouble in paradise and these two look like they are starting to get upset with each other and might not be working together after this. All because they didnt want to suck it up and run out a 1 year contract for 500K
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Thats just greed pure and simple. This is coming from a middle class nobody who makes about 50K a year if im lucky, so I dont know anything about them high society problems But this is what I see. He was willing to offer to renegotiate for 1 year, during that time they could continue to build their brand, and get a larger fan base. At the end of the year they get the IP and part ways with the company and start making that Joe Rogan money. well maybe not that much but a hell of a lot more than 500K. As is stands now they are making absolutely nothing, destroying their own brand, losing their fan base, might get sued, and probably ruining any chance they had at making anywhere near the amount of money they were going to be capable of making after that 1 year. And on top of all that it seems like there is trouble in paradise and these two look like they are starting to get upset with each other and might not be working together after this. All because they didnt want to suck it up and run out a 1 year contract for 500K
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Origins
I side with what pewdiepie said awhile ago when he covered the Tfue story (I think. I don't really remember but he made a really good point about how these small content creators are looking to get big and they want to sign up with these companies that ALREADY have a big following which is a guarentee of gathering a big fan base for them. Once they do get a big enough fan base for themselves they end up wanting to leave the contract that THEY signed up for. If you truly want to leave then negotiate but don't get greedy because in the end; the company will end up winning because they were the ones who helped you out. They were the ones who took you in and made a name for yourself. I understand if there's mistreat and things of that sort but most of the time it isn't. Like in this case where the man cuts them a great deal. So in conclusion, I side with the companies.
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I side with what pewdiepie said awhile ago when he covered the Tfue story (I think. I don't really remember but he made a really good point about how these small content creators are looking to get big and they want to sign up with these companies that ALREADY have a big following which is a guarentee of gathering a big fan base for them. Once they do get a big enough fan base for themselves they end up wanting to leave the contract that THEY signed up for. If you truly want to leave then negotiate but don't get greedy because in the end; the company will end up winning because they were the ones who helped you out. They were the ones who took you in and made a name for yourself. I understand if there's mistreat and things of that sort but most of the time it isn't. Like in this case where the man cuts them a great deal. So in conclusion, I side with the companies.
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The
The creators ultimately have the power once they have built the audience but their access to that audience was provided by the media company. If they are under contract, than they are under contract. Once that contract is finished than you can leverage your success for a better contract there or somewhere else but to try and shop around early or do something shady to break it (as he stated) is just incredibly gross. You have an obligation to fulfill that contract and it would also be in your best interest to do so, as you are only going to provide reason for other potential brands/companies to not risk signing a deal with you if they suspect you are going to screw them in the long run. The don't have a case and they are being foolish considering the contract holders own the IP and they are just giving them more reason to be spiteful if they want to be.
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The creators ultimately have the power once they have built the audience but their access to that audience was provided by the media company. If they are under contract, than they are under contract. Once that contract is finished than you can leverage your success for a better contract there or somewhere else but to try and shop around early or do something shady to break it (as he stated) is just incredibly gross. You have an obligation to fulfill that contract and it would also be in your best interest to do so, as you are only going to provide reason for other potential brands/companies to not risk signing a deal with you if they suspect you are going to screw them in the long run. The don't have a case and they are being foolish considering the contract holders own the IP and they are just giving them more reason to be spiteful if they want to be.
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DrOxy2852
Pretty sure it is just me, but I feel that if you sign a contract with a bigger company when you are small you fulfill the contract then you say, Thank you for the support. Then you branch out. 3yrs! What is 3yrs to build your audience off of another bigger companies audience? Life/career is a long game. If you keep playing the short game, you're may end up loosing. You sign a contract, you made you the deal. That's on you. 3yrs IS NOTHING in the long run. Seems like most of these creators are only thinking short term, which may be the reason that I have no idea who they are. Go ahead and make your short money, and spend it all and end up right where you began. Do the right thing (do what you say you'll do, think long term, and establish an empire. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Pretty sure it is just me, but I feel that if you sign a contract with a bigger company when you are small you fulfill the contract then you say, Thank you for the support. Then you branch out. 3yrs! What is 3yrs to build your audience off of another bigger companies audience? Life/career is a long game. If you keep playing the short game, you're may end up loosing. You sign a contract, you made you the deal. That's on you. 3yrs IS NOTHING in the long run. Seems like most of these creators are only thinking short term, which may be the reason that I have no idea who they are. Go ahead and make your short money, and spend it all and end up right where you began. Do the right thing (do what you say you'll do, think long term, and establish an empire. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Milos
Let me for a second draw a parallel to IT industry. You get a fresh college graduate and you offer them appropriate sum of money to work for you. Now, college doesn't teach you anything you actually need to do your work so you have to invest time and money to teach this person how to do their work, that means senior developer needs to spend considerable amount of time with them and double check everything they do. After they get all the knowledge they need to do their job they immediately expect a raise or just start browsing around for a new job that 'appreciates their abilities'. In the end you lost money teaching someone to to the job so that they can screw you the moment they become competent enough. No one wants college graduates
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Let me for a second draw a parallel to IT industry. You get a fresh college graduate and you offer them appropriate sum of money to work for you. Now, college doesn't teach you anything you actually need to do your work so you have to invest time and money to teach this person how to do their work, that means senior developer needs to spend considerable amount of time with them and double check everything they do. After they get all the knowledge they need to do their job they immediately expect a raise or just start browsing around for a new job that 'appreciates their abilities'. In the end you lost money teaching someone to to the job so that they can screw you the moment they become competent enough. No one wants college graduates
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Stream
Honestly, creators need to seriously think about where they want their content to take them. If that includes signing with an agency in the beginning to expose them more, gain them more sponsors, etc, they need to make sure they read EVERYTHING in a contract. Stick with the contract, and when it comes time to renegotiate, politely walk away. OR creators need to just put in the leg work it takes to be successful on their own and not sign with agencies to help them gain exposure. Is it a tough road? Sure. But, anyone with enough drive is going to be successful on their own. and then they can say I did this WITHOUT an agency.
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Honestly, creators need to seriously think about where they want their content to take them. If that includes signing with an agency in the beginning to expose them more, gain them more sponsors, etc, they need to make sure they read EVERYTHING in a contract. Stick with the contract, and when it comes time to renegotiate, politely walk away. OR creators need to just put in the leg work it takes to be successful on their own and not sign with agencies to help them gain exposure. Is it a tough road? Sure. But, anyone with enough drive is going to be successful on their own. and then they can say I did this WITHOUT an agency.
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