H3H3 vs Keemstar & Pokimane CONTROVERSIES Have Sparked A Massive Debate, Vote by Mail Fight, & More
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Date: 2020-05-21
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Seenalott
I think going after someone's sponsor is a grey area. You shouldn't go after a sponsor if you don't like what they said about you or have a different opinion on a topic. Like Pokimane's case, the guy was saying those things but that was his opinion of her (whether right or wrong. When she attacked his sponsor she was inviting her fans to attack the sponsor too. I believe it's ok for two people to not like each other some people just have opposing personalities. But you shouldn't attack someone's lively hood because they have different opinions or they said something you didn't like. It would be different if he threatened her and her loved ones. Or if he was making false allegations of Pokimane doing something criminal. Which brings me to Keem. He did threaten people's lives by leaking their info. Keem made false allegations of people doing criminal things. Keem made fun or and milk a mentally unstable man until he killed himself. I do not believe Keem was the reason Etika did that. But I believe that Keem made it worse. For Gfuel to keep sponsoring him after all that tells us that they are ok with those actions. I actually liked Keem a couple of years ago (before the old man pedo thing. When Leafy was still around (I also liked him too. I found him entertaining. I stopped watching him after the false pedophilia claim and how he handled it. Keem didn't seem to really care that he just ruined that man's life, and that sadden me greatly. Then to see how Keem treated Etika made me very sad. I have anxiety really bad and have Been in manic states before so that hit a little too hard for me. (I'm ok now, no more manic episodes. And anxiety is getting better _ ) I believe that people can change, it is hard, takes time, love, and understanding from every one to help that person change. But THEY have to choose to change. Like how an addict has to choose is get clean. I truly want Keem to be better, because I like people. I like seeing people happy and succeed in life. Sorry I went off on a tangent there. I said way more than what the question was. I have strong feelings about people and their actions. I want everyone to work together and help better each other. I know that's naive and unrealistic but I didn't grow up watching hero movies/shows/what ever else, where they all work to unite and help everyone to not have that Ideal beaten into me. To anyone that read all of this, thank you for your time I hope you enjoyed your stay. Wish I could offer you a refreshment but you know this is the internet lol. I want everyone that did read this far to know I care about you all and truly hope you are doing well. And if you don't agree with what I have said that's ok. We are different people, with different experiences and views of the world. I harbor no hate to you. And I wish you to do well all the same. I would love to hear others opinions on what I said. I'm always open to criticism.
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I think going after someone's sponsor is a grey area. You shouldn't go after a sponsor if you don't like what they said about you or have a different opinion on a topic. Like Pokimane's case, the guy was saying those things but that was his opinion of her (whether right or wrong. When she attacked his sponsor she was inviting her fans to attack the sponsor too. I believe it's ok for two people to not like each other some people just have opposing personalities. But you shouldn't attack someone's lively hood because they have different opinions or they said something you didn't like. It would be different if he threatened her and her loved ones. Or if he was making false allegations of Pokimane doing something criminal. Which brings me to Keem. He did threaten people's lives by leaking their info. Keem made false allegations of people doing criminal things. Keem made fun or and milk a mentally unstable man until he killed himself. I do not believe Keem was the reason Etika did that. But I believe that Keem made it worse. For Gfuel to keep sponsoring him after all that tells us that they are ok with those actions. I actually liked Keem a couple of years ago (before the old man pedo thing. When Leafy was still around (I also liked him too. I found him entertaining. I stopped watching him after the false pedophilia claim and how he handled it. Keem didn't seem to really care that he just ruined that man's life, and that sadden me greatly. Then to see how Keem treated Etika made me very sad. I have anxiety really bad and have Been in manic states before so that hit a little too hard for me. (I'm ok now, no more manic episodes. And anxiety is getting better _ ) I believe that people can change, it is hard, takes time, love, and understanding from every one to help that person change. But THEY have to choose to change. Like how an addict has to choose is get clean. I truly want Keem to be better, because I like people. I like seeing people happy and succeed in life. Sorry I went off on a tangent there. I said way more than what the question was. I have strong feelings about people and their actions. I want everyone to work together and help better each other. I know that's naive and unrealistic but I didn't grow up watching hero movies/shows/what ever else, where they all work to unite and help everyone to not have that Ideal beaten into me. To anyone that read all of this, thank you for your time I hope you enjoyed your stay. Wish I could offer you a refreshment but you know this is the internet lol. I want everyone that did read this far to know I care about you all and truly hope you are doing well. And if you don't agree with what I have said that's ok. We are different people, with different experiences and views of the world. I harbor no hate to you. And I wish you to do well all the same. I would love to hear others opinions on what I said. I'm always open to criticism.
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Wololo
speaking from a purely argumentative integrity side bringing up someone's advertisers while attempting to dispel their claims is a strawman argument. it has nothing to do with whatever the topic may be unless your intent is to destroy their livelyhood. If that is your intent it is very effective especially if you have a large audience like h3h3 and pokimane. The idea of destroying someone's livelyhood because they called you a thot or you disagree with their buisness practices or whatever the cause may be seems extreme and personally i find that wrong unless the reason you are destroying income for the opposing side is fair. Attacking someone's advertisability and sponsorships is a pretty ruthless buisiness practice similar to destroying their marketability and social image. I'm not going to argue that attacking someone's sponsors is wrong because given the right reason it is an appropriate response however without the right reason you make yourself out to be the bully or the aggressor and you certainly escalate the disagreement or argument. I don't know the beef history between h3h3 and keemstar and i haven't watched any of their videos so i can't say for sure if h3h3 had good reason to attack keem's livelyhood but it seems a lil extreme.
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speaking from a purely argumentative integrity side bringing up someone's advertisers while attempting to dispel their claims is a strawman argument. it has nothing to do with whatever the topic may be unless your intent is to destroy their livelyhood. If that is your intent it is very effective especially if you have a large audience like h3h3 and pokimane. The idea of destroying someone's livelyhood because they called you a thot or you disagree with their buisness practices or whatever the cause may be seems extreme and personally i find that wrong unless the reason you are destroying income for the opposing side is fair. Attacking someone's advertisability and sponsorships is a pretty ruthless buisiness practice similar to destroying their marketability and social image. I'm not going to argue that attacking someone's sponsors is wrong because given the right reason it is an appropriate response however without the right reason you make yourself out to be the bully or the aggressor and you certainly escalate the disagreement or argument. I don't know the beef history between h3h3 and keemstar and i haven't watched any of their videos so i can't say for sure if h3h3 had good reason to attack keem's livelyhood but it seems a lil extreme.
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Cassie
Why is anyone surprised the republicans are trying to screw Americans serving in the military by refusing to allow them 90 days? They wanted to keep a bunch of Navy guys on a boat teeming with COVID-19 so it could spread further, putting more military personnel at risk. They're still currently having problems with COVID-19 on that carrier. Since the republicans have turned into the mafia, I have no problems going after sponsors. Anyone who supports Fox News or the lies they report on as if they were actual journalists deserves to be brought to light. They think as long as they lie while shouting at the tops of their lungs everything will be ok. Sorry. Yelling a lie doesn't make it any less a lie, but if you want to kill off all your viewers be my guest, it's a free country. As far as game streamers go, I couldn't be less interested. If they want to treat each other like crap, that just reflects on them.
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Why is anyone surprised the republicans are trying to screw Americans serving in the military by refusing to allow them 90 days? They wanted to keep a bunch of Navy guys on a boat teeming with COVID-19 so it could spread further, putting more military personnel at risk. They're still currently having problems with COVID-19 on that carrier. Since the republicans have turned into the mafia, I have no problems going after sponsors. Anyone who supports Fox News or the lies they report on as if they were actual journalists deserves to be brought to light. They think as long as they lie while shouting at the tops of their lungs everything will be ok. Sorry. Yelling a lie doesn't make it any less a lie, but if you want to kill off all your viewers be my guest, it's a free country. As far as game streamers go, I couldn't be less interested. If they want to treat each other like crap, that just reflects on them.
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Blackpapermoon
Ok, so me thing no one is seeing here is that G-Fuel LOOOOOOVES Keemstar. When everyone was making videos about him, bringing up the exact same things Ethan mentioned, G-Fuel stuck by his side. This whole Keem dropping G-Fuel is a chess move. See, this is what Keem wanted. For H3H3 to send the first nuke. too bad it s the only one he had, and now all his cards are on the table because he panicked once he said Leafy and Grade A coming back because that will be the end of him. Leafy and Grade A were planning something on Ethan. And of course Keem is involved as well, so Ethan tries to take out the big boss first but he didn t kill him. Keem survived. And he s survived worse shit than this with way less people by his side. This is not about taking sides. It s what I see happening based on my experience watching these assholes
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Ok, so me thing no one is seeing here is that G-Fuel LOOOOOOVES Keemstar. When everyone was making videos about him, bringing up the exact same things Ethan mentioned, G-Fuel stuck by his side. This whole Keem dropping G-Fuel is a chess move. See, this is what Keem wanted. For H3H3 to send the first nuke. too bad it s the only one he had, and now all his cards are on the table because he panicked once he said Leafy and Grade A coming back because that will be the end of him. Leafy and Grade A were planning something on Ethan. And of course Keem is involved as well, so Ethan tries to take out the big boss first but he didn t kill him. Keem survived. And he s survived worse shit than this with way less people by his side. This is not about taking sides. It s what I see happening based on my experience watching these assholes
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Merry
On going after sponsors, the issue is that sponsors don't necessarily care about the truth or fairness of accusations, only the potential harm to their brand. If used as a weapon, I can see it creating problems and power asymmetries. For example, if a bigger creator accuses a smaller one of something, even if it's entirely baseless, that is more likely to make a sponsor pull out than a smaller creator making the exact same accusations. I can also see it meme-ifying drama videos. Maybe if there were some kind of contract between creators and their sponsors specifying that accusations had to have some basis in truth for it to be a justification for them pulling out? Not sure about the legal implications of that.
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On going after sponsors, the issue is that sponsors don't necessarily care about the truth or fairness of accusations, only the potential harm to their brand. If used as a weapon, I can see it creating problems and power asymmetries. For example, if a bigger creator accuses a smaller one of something, even if it's entirely baseless, that is more likely to make a sponsor pull out than a smaller creator making the exact same accusations. I can also see it meme-ifying drama videos. Maybe if there were some kind of contract between creators and their sponsors specifying that accusations had to have some basis in truth for it to be a justification for them pulling out? Not sure about the legal implications of that.
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Manjushri
Going after sponsors is a hard issue. Usually i think its b. s. Going after someone's livelyhood, especially when its a job (not sponsors) is just low. A permanent destructive action based on an opinion or something that could change. This situation is a bit hazy cuz Ethan doesn't directly call for Gfuel to drop him or say they are worse for supporting him, but also Keemstar has repeated tons of reprehensible things and refused to right any of his wrongs, so its very difficult to defend him. I think it comes down to that. It may not have been nessecary, but when you are as bull headed and resistent to growth, all bets become off (especially committing slander)
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Going after sponsors is a hard issue. Usually i think its b. s. Going after someone's livelyhood, especially when its a job (not sponsors) is just low. A permanent destructive action based on an opinion or something that could change. This situation is a bit hazy cuz Ethan doesn't directly call for Gfuel to drop him or say they are worse for supporting him, but also Keemstar has repeated tons of reprehensible things and refused to right any of his wrongs, so its very difficult to defend him. I think it comes down to that. It may not have been nessecary, but when you are as bull headed and resistent to growth, all bets become off (especially committing slander)
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shukezi
for the sponsorship thing, i think it s ok to go after the sponsors when it s a mega corporation or some company that probably wouldn t be influenced unless they lost money. with individual creators, i m not too fond of it. you don t really know what a creators financial situation is, like i m pretty sure keen has a kid. creators are more connected to their audiences than corporations, so if their audience goes against them, then that should be enough to influence them. i think going after a creators sponsors is overkill. to me it s just like the adpocalypse on a smaller scale.
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for the sponsorship thing, i think it s ok to go after the sponsors when it s a mega corporation or some company that probably wouldn t be influenced unless they lost money. with individual creators, i m not too fond of it. you don t really know what a creators financial situation is, like i m pretty sure keen has a kid. creators are more connected to their audiences than corporations, so if their audience goes against them, then that should be enough to influence them. i think going after a creators sponsors is overkill. to me it s just like the adpocalypse on a smaller scale.
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Ben
What you support and associate with, should be what you believe in. If gfuel sponsors false pedophilia accusations, that's cool for them, but they should know that it's the case, especially since other people won't buy it if it supports such a cause. Put your money in something you believe in or something neutral. It's not going after a sponsor in the sense of h3 asking his fans to boycott, it's pointing out the fact that this is what the person the company supports believe in. It's a fine line and probably the latter results in the former but I do think the perspective matters.
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What you support and associate with, should be what you believe in. If gfuel sponsors false pedophilia accusations, that's cool for them, but they should know that it's the case, especially since other people won't buy it if it supports such a cause. Put your money in something you believe in or something neutral. It's not going after a sponsor in the sense of h3 asking his fans to boycott, it's pointing out the fact that this is what the person the company supports believe in. It's a fine line and probably the latter results in the former but I do think the perspective matters.
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Mopishfool
It s okay to go after sponsors if the person deserves it. Keem has repeatedly conducted extremely despicable acts online with evident proof of his unwavering wrongdoings and lack of guilt or compassion. I know that if I knew the things he did there would be no way I d want to sponsor a person like that. There are obvious many instances where this argument should be up for debate but I feel here it was completely deserved. Ethan s concerns were completely valid and I m surprised G Fuel was willing to associate with such a cruel creator for so long.
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It s okay to go after sponsors if the person deserves it. Keem has repeatedly conducted extremely despicable acts online with evident proof of his unwavering wrongdoings and lack of guilt or compassion. I know that if I knew the things he did there would be no way I d want to sponsor a person like that. There are obvious many instances where this argument should be up for debate but I feel here it was completely deserved. Ethan s concerns were completely valid and I m surprised G Fuel was willing to associate with such a cruel creator for so long.
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