Did France and Britain Almost Unite into the Franco-British Union? Documentary
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Emperor
Another time they almost unified was:
Its December of 1542 and James V, King of Scots is dead. His six days old daughter, Mary is now Queen of Scots. Her mother, James's widow was Queen regent. When she was till a young girl, the Protestant throne of England was already preparing to conquer Scotland. Protestants in Scotland(not all) and England supported an English conquest of Scotland. To help Scotland militarily and financially, Mary, Queen of Scots was betrothed to Francis of France. Later the Dauphin of Viennois and Francis II, King of France.
Francis and Mary were married when Mary was 14 and Francis was 15. If the couple had a son, that son would inherit the thrones of Scotland and France.
Additionally, Mary Tudor had died with no children from Phillip II the Prudent, King of Spain, of Portugal, of Naples and Sicily, of Sardinia, and of England and Ireland(as consort.
Her half sister Elizabeth Tudor(Elizabeth I) succeeded her. But she two died with no children(as a virgin actually. If Mary wasn't beheaded for treason against the English throne, she would have succeeded Elizabeth as Queen of England(Mary was a cousin. This would have made Mary the Queen of Scots and Queen of England as well as Queen consort of France. If Francis hadn't died young and had given Mary a son, that son would have become King of England, France, Scotland, and Ireland. And if things went similarly to what really happened, the countries would have united as one in 100-200 years.
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Another time they almost unified was:
Its December of 1542 and James V, King of Scots is dead. His six days old daughter, Mary is now Queen of Scots. Her mother, James's widow was Queen regent. When she was till a young girl, the Protestant throne of England was already preparing to conquer Scotland. Protestants in Scotland(not all) and England supported an English conquest of Scotland. To help Scotland militarily and financially, Mary, Queen of Scots was betrothed to Francis of France. Later the Dauphin of Viennois and Francis II, King of France.
Francis and Mary were married when Mary was 14 and Francis was 15. If the couple had a son, that son would inherit the thrones of Scotland and France.
Additionally, Mary Tudor had died with no children from Phillip II the Prudent, King of Spain, of Portugal, of Naples and Sicily, of Sardinia, and of England and Ireland(as consort.
Her half sister Elizabeth Tudor(Elizabeth I) succeeded her. But she two died with no children(as a virgin actually. If Mary wasn't beheaded for treason against the English throne, she would have succeeded Elizabeth as Queen of England(Mary was a cousin. This would have made Mary the Queen of Scots and Queen of England as well as Queen consort of France. If Francis hadn't died young and had given Mary a son, that son would have become King of England, France, Scotland, and Ireland. And if things went similarly to what really happened, the countries would have united as one in 100-200 years.
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Sakkra1993
Reminds me of the Dual Monarchy in the Victoria 2 mod Divergences of Darkness, which is a scenario in which England won the Hundred Year's War and both England and France formed into a united kingdom, which by the 1830s has become by far the most insanely OP nation on the planet. It's pretty much just playing Vic 2 on easy mode, you can literally steam roll anyone you want.
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Reminds me of the Dual Monarchy in the Victoria 2 mod Divergences of Darkness, which is a scenario in which England won the Hundred Year's War and both England and France formed into a united kingdom, which by the 1830s has become by far the most insanely OP nation on the planet. It's pretty much just playing Vic 2 on easy mode, you can literally steam roll anyone you want.
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AdamESD
OK, considering the disastrous situation for France in 1940, having political and foreign policy run for both countries out of London made sense.
But now on Gods green Earth would having financial policy run out of France, the France that was in the process of being conquered by Germany no less, made sense? In 1940 or in any other year?
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OK, considering the disastrous situation for France in 1940, having political and foreign policy run for both countries out of London made sense.
But now on Gods green Earth would having financial policy run out of France, the France that was in the process of being conquered by Germany no less, made sense? In 1940 or in any other year?
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JC
LOL would NEVER work! The French and her colonies like to protest/revolute too much and British colonies are all docile and don't like to protest that much. They would break themselves up as an empire as soon as the French start revolution-ing and the Brit aristocracy would sip their tea and flip their lids.
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LOL would NEVER work! The French and her colonies like to protest/revolute too much and British colonies are all docile and don't like to protest that much. They would break themselves up as an empire as soon as the French start revolution-ing and the Brit aristocracy would sip their tea and flip their lids.
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Bartomiej
Honestly it's sad that this idea failed
It was really reasonable and well, the fact that French offered Brits that the BRITISH monarch will rule over the union really meant something. It would really be a good way to make a third side in the Cold War, the one I would support wholeheartedly
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Honestly it's sad that this idea failed
It was really reasonable and well, the fact that French offered Brits that the BRITISH monarch will rule over the union really meant something. It would really be a good way to make a third side in the Cold War, the one I would support wholeheartedly
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laurence
Just rattle through it like a fkn weather forecast. Are we expected to pause all the time to absorb the facts and dates?
Most of the wars with France were because the French geezer on the English throne had his lands/titles in France taken by people who still lived there.
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Just rattle through it like a fkn weather forecast. Are we expected to pause all the time to absorb the facts and dates?
Most of the wars with France were because the French geezer on the English throne had his lands/titles in France taken by people who still lived there.
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thehilligan
it is not true that Britain was not invited to join the EEC/Coal & Steel Union-we had every opportunity to do so-- Monnet & Schumanns plan was specifically all-embracing of any countries who wished to join- we didnt take up the opportunity.
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it is not true that Britain was not invited to join the EEC/Coal & Steel Union-we had every opportunity to do so-- Monnet & Schumanns plan was specifically all-embracing of any countries who wished to join- we didnt take up the opportunity.
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Syl75
The beginning of the video is wrong. The first time England and France could have united is after the conquest of England by William the Conqueror in 1066. At this time, the kings of England (and so England) were vassals of the king of France.
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The beginning of the video is wrong. The first time England and France could have united is after the conquest of England by William the Conqueror in 1066. At this time, the kings of England (and so England) were vassals of the king of France.
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Carottebio
Actually a funny thing! I do believe that if dark times and wars came again in Europe this kind of stuff could be discussed again as in a way despite the grudge and our past, working together with England worked well
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Actually a funny thing! I do believe that if dark times and wars came again in Europe this kind of stuff could be discussed again as in a way despite the grudge and our past, working together with England worked well
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Kain
Please, that would go worse than the relationship between Quebec and the rest of Canada, (at one point a poll was done to see if Quebec wanted to separate from Canada, 49% of the Quebec population wanted it to happen)
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Please, that would go worse than the relationship between Quebec and the rest of Canada, (at one point a poll was done to see if Quebec wanted to separate from Canada, 49% of the Quebec population wanted it to happen)
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Ser
England to France: Would you rather be Englishmen?
France: No!
France to England: Would you rather be Frenchmen?
England: No!
US to France & England: How about American?
France & England: NO!
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England to France: Would you rather be Englishmen?
France: No!
France to England: Would you rather be Frenchmen?
England: No!
US to France & England: How about American?
France & England: NO!
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Regunes
I thought we were close to something recently, but then we had the cursed Brexit, and I've yet to hear good things about the English leadership in the last decades or so, from the english themself.
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I thought we were close to something recently, but then we had the cursed Brexit, and I've yet to hear good things about the English leadership in the last decades or so, from the english themself.
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matthieu
France and Britain when both are healty nations: hey what about you give your throne to me?
France and Britain when both are in the middle of a crisis: hey what about I give my throne to you?
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France and Britain when both are healty nations: hey what about you give your throne to me?
France and Britain when both are in the middle of a crisis: hey what about I give my throne to you?
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RB
As a french half of me is thinking that it would be such a great opportunity to both countries but the other half would rather die than merge with UK
Ps: even if I like UK
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As a french half of me is thinking that it would be such a great opportunity to both countries but the other half would rather die than merge with UK
Ps: even if I like UK
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derHutschi
if I'm not mistaken the UK and France have now a shared military command and their armies are joined so at least concerning the military they're the same country?
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if I'm not mistaken the UK and France have now a shared military command and their armies are joined so at least concerning the military they're the same country?
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LordBeff
now imagine if they realised the Franco-British Union with QEII as queen of France, then they seceded again, and France would have their sixth republic
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now imagine if they realised the Franco-British Union with QEII as queen of France, then they seceded again, and France would have their sixth republic
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Xymos
The French would have rather died than to be under British rule. man. Not saying one was preferable to the other, but man tough decisions to be made.
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The French would have rather died than to be under British rule. man. Not saying one was preferable to the other, but man tough decisions to be made.
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Fairy
As a Frenchman, I think the union would've been awesome. But eh, if the UK rejoins the EU and we make it into a federation, that's even better.
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As a Frenchman, I think the union would've been awesome. But eh, if the UK rejoins the EU and we make it into a federation, that's even better.
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PentaBOSS
This is the country form of:
A: Let's do this
B: No maybe another time
B: You know what, let's do it
A: No i'm not in the mood
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This is the country form of:
A: Let's do this
B: No maybe another time
B: You know what, let's do it
A: No i'm not in the mood
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TheSchultinator
Good thing they never joined, otherwise the English-speaking world wouldn't be able to make jokes at France's expense.
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Good thing they never joined, otherwise the English-speaking world wouldn't be able to make jokes at France's expense.
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