Why didn't Bulgaria ever join Yugoslavia?
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Date: 2023-10-17
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Atlantian11
ANother important factor is language and how it developed to stray further from what would have been two almost completely mutually understandable languages around thr 16/17 century. While THe serbo-croatian and bulgarian are very similliar in vocabulary, over the 19th and 20th the languages started to develop and be structured in different ways leading to the fact that nowadays most young people struggle to understand the other language. Also Bulgarian (and macedonian which is a dialect of bulgarian) is the only slavic language with no inflection of nouns which is a majour grammatical difference in the flow and sentence building of the languge. As a Bulgarian speaker myself I find it very easy to understand Serbian once I understood this main difference to my language as the vocabulary is very very similliar. A good comparison I heard recently is that BUlgarian and Serbo-croatian are more similliar than Catalan and Spanish or if not more at least on the same level. From the outside it is easy to ask such a queastion but I do not belive the leadership of these countires ever thought of unification seriously, even though logically the suther slavic peoples uniting in one country would be no different than the creation of the first German empire by Bismark where all the germanic speaking people were united even though the languages, culture and even religion were not coherent.
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ANother important factor is language and how it developed to stray further from what would have been two almost completely mutually understandable languages around thr 16/17 century. While THe serbo-croatian and bulgarian are very similliar in vocabulary, over the 19th and 20th the languages started to develop and be structured in different ways leading to the fact that nowadays most young people struggle to understand the other language. Also Bulgarian (and macedonian which is a dialect of bulgarian) is the only slavic language with no inflection of nouns which is a majour grammatical difference in the flow and sentence building of the languge. As a Bulgarian speaker myself I find it very easy to understand Serbian once I understood this main difference to my language as the vocabulary is very very similliar. A good comparison I heard recently is that BUlgarian and Serbo-croatian are more similliar than Catalan and Spanish or if not more at least on the same level. From the outside it is easy to ask such a queastion but I do not belive the leadership of these countires ever thought of unification seriously, even though logically the suther slavic peoples uniting in one country would be no different than the creation of the first German empire by Bismark where all the germanic speaking people were united even though the languages, culture and even religion were not coherent.
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PrOLeon
Ermh what does he main saying Bulgarians viewed themselves as Old bulgaria descendants? What were we then? Aliens teleported down from the moon right after WW2? Just because we were under otoman slavery for 5 cent. that suddenly made us aliens on our lands or something?
Yugoslavia was nothing more than one of the last imperialist atempts to put their finger on the balkans by patting back Serbia for their part in WW2.
And mainly because Bulgaria allied with the habsburgs. And we know how that turned out. Go ask Kosovo and black forest about 1st hand expirience.
Simply put there was nothing there to join it was vapor ware pushed by outside forces.
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Ermh what does he main saying Bulgarians viewed themselves as Old bulgaria descendants? What were we then? Aliens teleported down from the moon right after WW2? Just because we were under otoman slavery for 5 cent. that suddenly made us aliens on our lands or something?
Yugoslavia was nothing more than one of the last imperialist atempts to put their finger on the balkans by patting back Serbia for their part in WW2.
And mainly because Bulgaria allied with the habsburgs. And we know how that turned out. Go ask Kosovo and black forest about 1st hand expirience.
Simply put there was nothing there to join it was vapor ware pushed by outside forces.
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Boza
Yugoslav idea originated in the Habsburg empire by mostly Croatian intelligentsia. As such, it was foreign to Bulgarian national movement. The language is also different enough not to feel close. Both Serbs and Bulgarians had strong medieval states (and both had empires, though Serbs had it for a short while. None of this applied to other South Slavs - most of them were absorbed early by either the Venetians or Hungarians. Therefore it was more difficult to sell the idea to Bulgarians. Now, why was it sold so easily to the Serbian intellectuals is, as a Serb myself - beyond me.
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Yugoslav idea originated in the Habsburg empire by mostly Croatian intelligentsia. As such, it was foreign to Bulgarian national movement. The language is also different enough not to feel close. Both Serbs and Bulgarians had strong medieval states (and both had empires, though Serbs had it for a short while. None of this applied to other South Slavs - most of them were absorbed early by either the Venetians or Hungarians. Therefore it was more difficult to sell the idea to Bulgarians. Now, why was it sold so easily to the Serbian intellectuals is, as a Serb myself - beyond me.
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Rawka_
Honestly, pretty well made video. Only complaints I have are the maps I guess as the map of the Medieval Bulgarian Empire is pretty far from accurate. And the map of what was said that Bulgaria claimed was sorta inaccurate too. But otherwise the info was downright accurate. The reason the Bulgarians chose not to join the Yugoslavian nation was precisely because the Slavic identity was not the main one of the Bulgarians and not really all that popular. It was one element of the wider Bulgarian ethnos where we see ourselves as sorta more unique than the other Slavs.
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Honestly, pretty well made video. Only complaints I have are the maps I guess as the map of the Medieval Bulgarian Empire is pretty far from accurate. And the map of what was said that Bulgaria claimed was sorta inaccurate too. But otherwise the info was downright accurate. The reason the Bulgarians chose not to join the Yugoslavian nation was precisely because the Slavic identity was not the main one of the Bulgarians and not really all that popular. It was one element of the wider Bulgarian ethnos where we see ourselves as sorta more unique than the other Slavs.
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Bart omiej
I'm generally a sceptic when it comes to Yugoslavism, but what the hell. Tito gave a very reasonable plan. He viewed Bulgaria as a potential 7th republic - so it would be equal to Serbia or Croatia in this bigger Yugoslavia. This Bulgarian proposal sounds. cheeky. Why should Bulgarians have a greater autonomy than Montenegrins of Slovenes?
No offence to any nation obviously, only to particular politicians. As a Pole, I love my Slavic brothers from the Balkans!
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I'm generally a sceptic when it comes to Yugoslavism, but what the hell. Tito gave a very reasonable plan. He viewed Bulgaria as a potential 7th republic - so it would be equal to Serbia or Croatia in this bigger Yugoslavia. This Bulgarian proposal sounds. cheeky. Why should Bulgarians have a greater autonomy than Montenegrins of Slovenes?
No offence to any nation obviously, only to particular politicians. As a Pole, I love my Slavic brothers from the Balkans!
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Chris
The State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs sought political unification with Serbia because they had no military and Italy was advancing in the west to take the whole coast for themselves as promised to them by the Entente powers to get Italy into the war on the side of the Entente. The new state agreeing to join the Serbian state would allow Serbia's military to stop Italian advancement.
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The State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs sought political unification with Serbia because they had no military and Italy was advancing in the west to take the whole coast for themselves as promised to them by the Entente powers to get Italy into the war on the side of the Entente. The new state agreeing to join the Serbian state would allow Serbia's military to stop Italian advancement.
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TBH
I feel there's one big pice of missinformation in the video which was that Stalin hated the plan and that's why it didn't suceed. Stalin very much approved of the plan and liked the Idea of closer unity between his puppet states. It was only after he fell out with Tito that he obviously rejected the plan but this video kinda underplayed how close this was to actually happening.
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I feel there's one big pice of missinformation in the video which was that Stalin hated the plan and that's why it didn't suceed. Stalin very much approved of the plan and liked the Idea of closer unity between his puppet states. It was only after he fell out with Tito that he obviously rejected the plan but this video kinda underplayed how close this was to actually happening.
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AngerIssues
As a Macedonian i do not consider Bulgarians as South slavs. They have bulgar turk dna and the origin of the name isn't european. Only thing they have is the language and some slavic dna from Macedonian and Thracian Slavs.
The history of that country is also filled with turkic khans and even 2nd bulgarian empire has cuman and other turkic tribes as kings.
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As a Macedonian i do not consider Bulgarians as South slavs. They have bulgar turk dna and the origin of the name isn't european. Only thing they have is the language and some slavic dna from Macedonian and Thracian Slavs.
The history of that country is also filled with turkic khans and even 2nd bulgarian empire has cuman and other turkic tribes as kings.
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Lima
Bulgaria did itself a big favour not joining Yugoslavia. The project itself was quite a failure with many internal tensions, this is the reason why most countries in the federation ended up with fatal wars and the tensions are felt even today. Additionally, Serbs mainly wanted to expose their dominance within the federation, which not everyone was happy about.
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Bulgaria did itself a big favour not joining Yugoslavia. The project itself was quite a failure with many internal tensions, this is the reason why most countries in the federation ended up with fatal wars and the tensions are felt even today. Additionally, Serbs mainly wanted to expose their dominance within the federation, which not everyone was happy about.
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Taha
Please cosider the following topics:
1) Why doesn't Sorbia exist?
2) Kulturkampf
3) Life in French Alsace-Lorraine
4) how the US got nukes
5) Why did the Nazis fail to produce nukes even though they were the ones to discover nuclear fission?
6) Why didn't the USSR annex Poland?
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Please cosider the following topics:
1) Why doesn't Sorbia exist?
2) Kulturkampf
3) Life in French Alsace-Lorraine
4) how the US got nukes
5) Why did the Nazis fail to produce nukes even though they were the ones to discover nuclear fission?
6) Why didn't the USSR annex Poland?
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education
I think its probably for the best of everyone involved that Bulgaria never joined Yogoslavia, seen as that union ended with substantial bloodshed thay would only have been exacerbated by the admission of another very large and distinct ethnic group with a strong nationap identity to the union
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I think its probably for the best of everyone involved that Bulgaria never joined Yogoslavia, seen as that union ended with substantial bloodshed thay would only have been exacerbated by the admission of another very large and distinct ethnic group with a strong nationap identity to the union
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Thanos
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bulgarian politics ever since their independence is all about getting more of Macedonia, whether that's the comitat movement, both Balkan wars, both world wars, helping the communists in Greek civil war and now apparently even joining Yugoslavia.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bulgarian politics ever since their independence is all about getting more of Macedonia, whether that's the comitat movement, both Balkan wars, both world wars, helping the communists in Greek civil war and now apparently even joining Yugoslavia.
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BigBroTejano
Also the fact that the Bulgars, the ancestors and from where the name Bulgaria comes from, weren t Slavs but ethically Turkic and would only later after generations of settling and mixing with Slavic people in their new homeland become the modem Slavic Bulgarians.
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Also the fact that the Bulgars, the ancestors and from where the name Bulgaria comes from, weren t Slavs but ethically Turkic and would only later after generations of settling and mixing with Slavic people in their new homeland become the modem Slavic Bulgarians.
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Frederik1871
while we are at yugoslavia and bulgaria, why didnt bulgaria occupy and annexed macedonia during the collapse of yugoslavia? i always wondered cause it seems like a good opportunity but maybe im just clueless.
if anyone knows let me know
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while we are at yugoslavia and bulgaria, why didnt bulgaria occupy and annexed macedonia during the collapse of yugoslavia? i always wondered cause it seems like a good opportunity but maybe im just clueless.
if anyone knows let me know
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Maxim
To be fair, too different. The Serbs, Croatians, Bosnians, Montenegrins. they're the same, pretty much. The same ethnic group, divided by religion.
But Bulgaria is totally different. Yes, Slavs, but different.
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To be fair, too different. The Serbs, Croatians, Bosnians, Montenegrins. they're the same, pretty much. The same ethnic group, divided by religion.
But Bulgaria is totally different. Yes, Slavs, but different.
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Bart omiej
A small part of this video, but the scene with Austria-Hungary and Karl I yet again brought me very warm feelings
Also, I love how you included the Italian enclave of Zara/Zadar on Yugoslav map in 0: 21
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A small part of this video, but the scene with Austria-Hungary and Karl I yet again brought me very warm feelings
Also, I love how you included the Italian enclave of Zara/Zadar on Yugoslav map in 0: 21
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Ilian
In reality Yugoslavia was a Serbian dominated state, which heavily opressed the Bulgarian population in Macedonia.
This is the reason, why it was impossible for Bulgaria, to join Yugoslavia (by free will.
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In reality Yugoslavia was a Serbian dominated state, which heavily opressed the Bulgarian population in Macedonia.
This is the reason, why it was impossible for Bulgaria, to join Yugoslavia (by free will.
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Douglas
Does anyone have any books to recommend on the history of South Eastern Europe? Besides South America, I have the least amount of knowledge on that region that I'm very interested in learning about.
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Does anyone have any books to recommend on the history of South Eastern Europe? Besides South America, I have the least amount of knowledge on that region that I'm very interested in learning about.
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Corey
Always saddens me Yugoslavia didn't work out.
It's such a cool idea, and I always loved the name. I have zero slavic ancestry & no connection to any of the countries, but I still love the area
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Always saddens me Yugoslavia didn't work out.
It's such a cool idea, and I always loved the name. I have zero slavic ancestry & no connection to any of the countries, but I still love the area
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RAAM855
Yugoslavia popping into the world with sound of a champagne bottle being open fits so well. Much like the USSR collapse being the sound of broken glass. This guy is a pro subtle comedic sounds
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Yugoslavia popping into the world with sound of a champagne bottle being open fits so well. Much like the USSR collapse being the sound of broken glass. This guy is a pro subtle comedic sounds
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