Why didn't the Kingdom of Hungary have a king?
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Date: 2022-08-18
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GenovaYork24
Three big mistakes I hadn't expected to be made:
1. Transylvania never had a Hungarian majority. Just before the First World War the percentage of Romanians was at its lowest, because of the policies of Magyarization, and still amounted to clear majority - 53%. In the 1830s for example the percentage of Romanians was 63%.
2. The eastern borders of Romania in the Little Entente description are wrong. Romania had all Bukovina and Basarabia, which had joined in 1918 - that's right, not annexed, but joined by the decisions of the General Assemblies of each.
3. It's funny how the mistakes about Romania seem to never end, but this is the last one I saw. In the 1919 war, the Romanian army captured Budapest and Romanian troops even captured townd next to the Austrian border, whereas you only showed they got everything east of the Tisa.
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Three big mistakes I hadn't expected to be made:
1. Transylvania never had a Hungarian majority. Just before the First World War the percentage of Romanians was at its lowest, because of the policies of Magyarization, and still amounted to clear majority - 53%. In the 1830s for example the percentage of Romanians was 63%.
2. The eastern borders of Romania in the Little Entente description are wrong. Romania had all Bukovina and Basarabia, which had joined in 1918 - that's right, not annexed, but joined by the decisions of the General Assemblies of each.
3. It's funny how the mistakes about Romania seem to never end, but this is the last one I saw. In the 1919 war, the Romanian army captured Budapest and Romanian troops even captured townd next to the Austrian border, whereas you only showed they got everything east of the Tisa.
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Ygma
This man had a bunch of adventures worthy of episodes of their own. Sailing around the world, saving British diplomat from Ottomans, his naval action during WWI, the political turmoil during civil war years, the gamble on marching to Budapest despite what Little Entente had said would happen if he did, allowing Poles to escape through Hungary when Germany invaded, helping jews escape German persecution, etc.
Granted, they're not always tales of epic overcoming of great difficulty with absolute triumph, it was amazing how many times he was in a situation of pick your poison.
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This man had a bunch of adventures worthy of episodes of their own. Sailing around the world, saving British diplomat from Ottomans, his naval action during WWI, the political turmoil during civil war years, the gamble on marching to Budapest despite what Little Entente had said would happen if he did, allowing Poles to escape through Hungary when Germany invaded, helping jews escape German persecution, etc.
Granted, they're not always tales of epic overcoming of great difficulty with absolute triumph, it was amazing how many times he was in a situation of pick your poison.
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Douglas
Fun fact: because it had wound up in Austria at that point, when WWII ended the US Army took the actual Hungarian Crown (bent cross and all) back to the US to keep the Soviets from getting their hands on it. The crown and other related regalia were stored in the Fort Knox Bullion Depository until 1978 when they were repatriated to Hungary. This was only done with a guarantee that they were to be returned as property of the Hungarian people and not the government, fortunately that promise was kept and they have been displayed in the Hungarian parliament building ever since.
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Fun fact: because it had wound up in Austria at that point, when WWII ended the US Army took the actual Hungarian Crown (bent cross and all) back to the US to keep the Soviets from getting their hands on it. The crown and other related regalia were stored in the Fort Knox Bullion Depository until 1978 when they were repatriated to Hungary. This was only done with a guarantee that they were to be returned as property of the Hungarian people and not the government, fortunately that promise was kept and they have been displayed in the Hungarian parliament building ever since.
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You're
In case you're wondering, Horthy was an admiral in a landlocked country because he had been an admiral in the navy of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (which did control coastlines in what's now Italy and Croatia); towards the end of WW1, he was promoted to overall commander of the navy. When the empire dissolved in the final weeks of WW1, Hungary was left without a coast or a navy, and Horthy resigned. When he got involved in politics, people still referred to him as an admiral, as we often do with former military officers in the English-speaking world.
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In case you're wondering, Horthy was an admiral in a landlocked country because he had been an admiral in the navy of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (which did control coastlines in what's now Italy and Croatia); towards the end of WW1, he was promoted to overall commander of the navy. When the empire dissolved in the final weeks of WW1, Hungary was left without a coast or a navy, and Horthy resigned. When he got involved in politics, people still referred to him as an admiral, as we often do with former military officers in the English-speaking world.
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D niel
The video left out the most important reason: After the revolutions of 1918-19, the idea of being republic had bad reputation, as the republicans could not consolidate the country, but shifted it into socialist anarchy and civil war. Thus, with being a republic excluded, it seemed obvoius to return to monarchy. Neither the English or the Rumanian candidate was seriously considered or had any chance. And after 1920, when the civil war ended, and the goverment consolidated, the regent actually had less power than a king.
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The video left out the most important reason: After the revolutions of 1918-19, the idea of being republic had bad reputation, as the republicans could not consolidate the country, but shifted it into socialist anarchy and civil war. Thus, with being a republic excluded, it seemed obvoius to return to monarchy. Neither the English or the Rumanian candidate was seriously considered or had any chance. And after 1920, when the civil war ended, and the goverment consolidated, the regent actually had less power than a king.
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Peter
Similar premise idea, What happend to Bulgarias monarchy? Bulgaria was the only nation from the losing side of the first world War to still keep their monarchy. after the royal family fled to the west during the soviet invasion, the heir eventually returned to Bulgaria and became president under a democratic government with the eventual idea to restore the monarchy of Bulgaria all together. Maybe touch on why that did not occur?
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Similar premise idea, What happend to Bulgarias monarchy? Bulgaria was the only nation from the losing side of the first world War to still keep their monarchy. after the royal family fled to the west during the soviet invasion, the heir eventually returned to Bulgaria and became president under a democratic government with the eventual idea to restore the monarchy of Bulgaria all together. Maybe touch on why that did not occur?
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Robert
Imagine if Romania and Bulgaria had united in the 1880s, then annexed Transylvania after WWI, then united with Hungary in the interwar period. Such a country would've been unstoppable. Naturally they would have had good relations with Yugoslavia too, maybe they would've unified as well. And then Greece and Albania would've joined because this union would've been so cool.
Ok I think I went too far
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Imagine if Romania and Bulgaria had united in the 1880s, then annexed Transylvania after WWI, then united with Hungary in the interwar period. Such a country would've been unstoppable. Naturally they would have had good relations with Yugoslavia too, maybe they would've unified as well. And then Greece and Albania would've joined because this union would've been so cool.
Ok I think I went too far
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Steven
I'm sorry brother but why do you think Hungary lost Transylvania after WW1? They were clearly not a majority there.
If you look at an ethnic map, you can see that even in the borders that Hungary got after Trianon, there were still large swathes of Germans inside key areas along the border of the country and Hungarians themselves just BARELY represented a majority in BUDAPEST, their own capital.
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I'm sorry brother but why do you think Hungary lost Transylvania after WW1? They were clearly not a majority there.
If you look at an ethnic map, you can see that even in the borders that Hungary got after Trianon, there were still large swathes of Germans inside key areas along the border of the country and Hungarians themselves just BARELY represented a majority in BUDAPEST, their own capital.
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Mitchell
I'm not sure how this escaped through the cracks, but it is common knowledge, even among revisionist circles that Hungarians were by no means a majority in Transylvania.
They weren't even a majority in Transleithania, as they represented only 49% of its actual population (Croatia included)
Hungarians in Transylvania have always floated around the 25% mark.
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I'm not sure how this escaped through the cracks, but it is common knowledge, even among revisionist circles that Hungarians were by no means a majority in Transylvania.
They weren't even a majority in Transleithania, as they represented only 49% of its actual population (Croatia included)
Hungarians in Transylvania have always floated around the 25% mark.
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MJ
Minor correction: (1: 55) Transylvania actually isn t & wasn t majority Hungarian, but rather Romanian. There is a sizable Hungarian minority population throughout and a small area in its southeast Carpathian region with a majority Hungarian population. However, it s entirely enveloped by Romanian lands & people including all it s major cities & capital Cluj.
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Minor correction: (1: 55) Transylvania actually isn t & wasn t majority Hungarian, but rather Romanian. There is a sizable Hungarian minority population throughout and a small area in its southeast Carpathian region with a majority Hungarian population. However, it s entirely enveloped by Romanian lands & people including all it s major cities & capital Cluj.
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Frostbitebampiru
Transilvania was mojarity Hungarian? what are you smoking? Even in Northern Transilvania, which had the highest % of Hungarians, their number reached around 30%. In the whole of Transilvania it was lower than 15. There were only 2 counties of Transilvania which had over 80% Hungarian. A retraction would be useful here I think.
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Transilvania was mojarity Hungarian? what are you smoking? Even in Northern Transilvania, which had the highest % of Hungarians, their number reached around 30%. In the whole of Transilvania it was lower than 15. There were only 2 counties of Transilvania which had over 80% Hungarian. A retraction would be useful here I think.
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Gerg
The form of government remained a kingdom because the Entente stipulated that it is not possible for Hungary to have a form of government that has anything to do with the Bolshevist system (e. g. republic or people's republic) and it is not possible to have a constitutional monarchy under Habsburg leadership.
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The form of government remained a kingdom because the Entente stipulated that it is not possible for Hungary to have a form of government that has anything to do with the Bolshevist system (e. g. republic or people's republic) and it is not possible to have a constitutional monarchy under Habsburg leadership.
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Cristian
Sir Roosevelt, the Kingdom of Hungary just declared war on us
Alright, who is their king?
They. don't have one. The country is ruled by an Admiral.
Is their navy a threat to us?
They don't have one. the country is land locked.
Dafuq? And an Admiral is in power?
Yeeah.
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Sir Roosevelt, the Kingdom of Hungary just declared war on us
Alright, who is their king?
They. don't have one. The country is ruled by an Admiral.
Is their navy a threat to us?
They don't have one. the country is land locked.
Dafuq? And an Admiral is in power?
Yeeah.
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