Why didn't the western powers support the Christian Taiping Rebels?
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Date: 2023-08-27
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Shinsenshogun
Started from the inland depths of Guangxi in southern China, they have forcefully resided in other large provincial cities before making their greatest conquest in Nanjing their capital seat, a powerbase of their religious revolution allied to provincial bandits, rural secret societies, and ethnic rebels. Thus they spend a decade waging civil war with the stubborn Manchurians, Western foreign volunteers, and local Han-mustered Qing imperial loyalists in the west as far as Sichuan, north as far as the Qing dynasty capital Beijing and Tianjin (both cities that recently held the Peking Convention and Tientsin Protocol, and east as far as the walls of Shanghai.
The rebellion would predate and outlast the American Civil War, the Crimean War, the Savoyard-Austrian War, and the Second Opium/Arrow War; while it's defeated remnants would linger away from the Chinese territories and either become bandits and pirates in Indochina and Siam, or tell their tales of struggles to a certain young swamp ogre turned republican dictator as recluse fugitives.
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Started from the inland depths of Guangxi in southern China, they have forcefully resided in other large provincial cities before making their greatest conquest in Nanjing their capital seat, a powerbase of their religious revolution allied to provincial bandits, rural secret societies, and ethnic rebels. Thus they spend a decade waging civil war with the stubborn Manchurians, Western foreign volunteers, and local Han-mustered Qing imperial loyalists in the west as far as Sichuan, north as far as the Qing dynasty capital Beijing and Tianjin (both cities that recently held the Peking Convention and Tientsin Protocol, and east as far as the walls of Shanghai.
The rebellion would predate and outlast the American Civil War, the Crimean War, the Savoyard-Austrian War, and the Second Opium/Arrow War; while it's defeated remnants would linger away from the Chinese territories and either become bandits and pirates in Indochina and Siam, or tell their tales of struggles to a certain young swamp ogre turned republican dictator as recluse fugitives.
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Boa
As a Christian (no aligned denomination, although maybe the Evangelicals are the closest that match my beliefs) watching this video, I. never considered the Taipings to be Christians.
I mean, even Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and even the Christianity of Armenia and Ethiopia are more Christian to me than this.
At their core I consider the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom as some weird Chinese cult with a Christian theme/aesthetic. They are about as Christian to me as the Nazis Positive Christianity (which I consider to be merely Nazism with a Christian flag) is, which is to say both of them were barely even Christian at all.
It honestly bothers me that ppl even label them Christian when they didn t even act anything close to how Christian societies usually are. It s much closer to some weird Chinese cult XD
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As a Christian (no aligned denomination, although maybe the Evangelicals are the closest that match my beliefs) watching this video, I. never considered the Taipings to be Christians.
I mean, even Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and even the Christianity of Armenia and Ethiopia are more Christian to me than this.
At their core I consider the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom as some weird Chinese cult with a Christian theme/aesthetic. They are about as Christian to me as the Nazis Positive Christianity (which I consider to be merely Nazism with a Christian flag) is, which is to say both of them were barely even Christian at all.
It honestly bothers me that ppl even label them Christian when they didn t even act anything close to how Christian societies usually are. It s much closer to some weird Chinese cult XD
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Time
The Taiping definitely were not Christians, given the claims of their leader to be the younger brother of Christ. Then there were the massacres of the Manchu that you failed to mention. As for the U. S, we had our own problems to deal with in the 1850s, the run-up to the U. S. Civil War. The British did have this problem called the Indian Mutiny to deal with, along with the minor issue known as the Crimean War, in which France was also slightly involved. You are treating this as if none of the countries you are complaining about had any other problems.
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The Taiping definitely were not Christians, given the claims of their leader to be the younger brother of Christ. Then there were the massacres of the Manchu that you failed to mention. As for the U. S, we had our own problems to deal with in the 1850s, the run-up to the U. S. Civil War. The British did have this problem called the Indian Mutiny to deal with, along with the minor issue known as the Crimean War, in which France was also slightly involved. You are treating this as if none of the countries you are complaining about had any other problems.
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Alex
If the Chirstian French wouldn't help the Christian Austrians against the Ottomans, why would the Chirstian British support some Christian Taiping Rebels who they didn't recognize as a fellow Chirstian? At least the Habsburgs/Hapsburgs (with a p for us Americans) were fellow monarchs instead of upstart rebels. In fact it would be easier for the Valois to take the mental plunge and be willing junior partners to the Habsburgs than for the British to support an upstart rebellion of any other country that they didn't sponsor.
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If the Chirstian French wouldn't help the Christian Austrians against the Ottomans, why would the Chirstian British support some Christian Taiping Rebels who they didn't recognize as a fellow Chirstian? At least the Habsburgs/Hapsburgs (with a p for us Americans) were fellow monarchs instead of upstart rebels. In fact it would be easier for the Valois to take the mental plunge and be willing junior partners to the Habsburgs than for the British to support an upstart rebellion of any other country that they didn't sponsor.
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pineapplesareyummy
Next time someone complains why does China not allow freedom of religion as understood in the West, get that every country learns from its history. China does NOT want another cult to grow as powerful as the State and then threaten its authority and sovereignty. The State has to be supreme and has to be above any religion. That is not to say religion can't exist. Religion CAN exist, but it must be subservient to the State and must not challenge the State's authority.
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Next time someone complains why does China not allow freedom of religion as understood in the West, get that every country learns from its history. China does NOT want another cult to grow as powerful as the State and then threaten its authority and sovereignty. The State has to be supreme and has to be above any religion. That is not to say religion can't exist. Religion CAN exist, but it must be subservient to the State and must not challenge the State's authority.
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SminceSmeat
If a religious movement cannot truthfully say the Apostle s Creed then it really ought not be considered Christian. I think this is especially true with the God Worshipping Society.
On an unrelated note, it s sad how 150 years later Christians and other religious minorities still suffer in China. Remember to keep them in your prayers.
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If a religious movement cannot truthfully say the Apostle s Creed then it really ought not be considered Christian. I think this is especially true with the God Worshipping Society.
On an unrelated note, it s sad how 150 years later Christians and other religious minorities still suffer in China. Remember to keep them in your prayers.
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Andrew
Taiping: Launch a Crusade to assist us, Christian brothers!
West: Wrong century, bro. We worship money now. Also, your religion is weird.
Taiping: But surely it's more important for all Christians to stand together despite some differences in our specific beliefs?
West: laughs You really haven't done your research, have you?
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Taiping: Launch a Crusade to assist us, Christian brothers!
West: Wrong century, bro. We worship money now. Also, your religion is weird.
Taiping: But surely it's more important for all Christians to stand together despite some differences in our specific beliefs?
West: laughs You really haven't done your research, have you?
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Juria1987
Didn't realize this was a thing but did wonder as well, but the moment you explained HOW their Christian religion is structured I was going YIKES over a few key points indeed. Cause yeah no. that's more a cult that trying to play itself off as Christian. and yet another thing of the leader being divine so yeaaahh. they nutters.
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Didn't realize this was a thing but did wonder as well, but the moment you explained HOW their Christian religion is structured I was going YIKES over a few key points indeed. Cause yeah no. that's more a cult that trying to play itself off as Christian. and yet another thing of the leader being divine so yeaaahh. they nutters.
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Panzer
Because unlike what modern leftists think, the west wasn't as bad as its made out to be. The west wasnt stealing anything from China, they were there to conduct trade that benefited all sides. So why would they support the destabilization of China if it meant that their trade would be cut off?
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Because unlike what modern leftists think, the west wasn't as bad as its made out to be. The west wasnt stealing anything from China, they were there to conduct trade that benefited all sides. So why would they support the destabilization of China if it meant that their trade would be cut off?
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Benjamin
Failing academically has really caused some crazy events, the failed art student from veinna doing that little whoopsie in the 30s-40s and a failed academic here in china causing a pseudochristian cult rebellion killings oh so many. Moral is. stay in school kids, or never try school kids
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Failing academically has really caused some crazy events, the failed art student from veinna doing that little whoopsie in the 30s-40s and a failed academic here in china causing a pseudochristian cult rebellion killings oh so many. Moral is. stay in school kids, or never try school kids
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YouTube_Omar
Wait. Go back to 30s and explain the cresent in the banned list?
I was once told that many of the Chinese who came to Australia in the 1850s gold rush were Muslims, but I've never been able to verify it. Were there anti-muslim persecutions in 1850 China causing people to leave?
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Wait. Go back to 30s and explain the cresent in the banned list?
I was once told that many of the Chinese who came to Australia in the 1850s gold rush were Muslims, but I've never been able to verify it. Were there anti-muslim persecutions in 1850 China causing people to leave?
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Aaron
It's entirely probable that some of the youngest survivors of the fall of the Taiping government in Nanking in 1864 ended up, 73 years later, meeting their end at the hands of the Imperial Japanese Army in the Rape of Nanking. Makes you think a lot about fate and the vagaries of history.
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It's entirely probable that some of the youngest survivors of the fall of the Taiping government in Nanking in 1864 ended up, 73 years later, meeting their end at the hands of the Imperial Japanese Army in the Rape of Nanking. Makes you think a lot about fate and the vagaries of history.
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Ffourteen
It is probably worth mentioning that because of near constant famines in the nineteenth century, the Qing Dynasty was a revolving door of revolts. So it was probably hard for outsiders to take any one of the revolts more seriously than the others.
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It is probably worth mentioning that because of near constant famines in the nineteenth century, the Qing Dynasty was a revolving door of revolts. So it was probably hard for outsiders to take any one of the revolts more seriously than the others.
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thealmightyaku
It has to be remembered also that no one has hated and fought against Christians more than other Christians.
The Taiping were - according to all other Christians - heretics, and no other Christian nation would ever side with heretics.
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It has to be remembered also that no one has hated and fought against Christians more than other Christians.
The Taiping were - according to all other Christians - heretics, and no other Christian nation would ever side with heretics.
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Under-A-Rock
I find it amazing that people can accept the fact that most government decisions in the past came down to money but they look at our modern decisions and think it is always more complicated for the current world leaders.
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I find it amazing that people can accept the fact that most government decisions in the past came down to money but they look at our modern decisions and think it is always more complicated for the current world leaders.
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Mohamed
the taiping rebilion made china weak and that what the west wants. no matter which party wins the west will deal with a very weak wiener party which will make the west the real winner here by economically colonizing china
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the taiping rebilion made china weak and that what the west wants. no matter which party wins the west will deal with a very weak wiener party which will make the west the real winner here by economically colonizing china
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Feynstein
Damn, this is literally a replay of Constantine in Rome, except that this time, the would-be Constantine lost the war. If only the original Constantine had lost too. World history might have been very different.
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Damn, this is literally a replay of Constantine in Rome, except that this time, the would-be Constantine lost the war. If only the original Constantine had lost too. World history might have been very different.
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Hi
To say the tailing rebellion was started only because of a random guy neglects the fact his cult started due to food scarcity of southern china and that the nobility owned over half of all the land leading to discontent
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To say the tailing rebellion was started only because of a random guy neglects the fact his cult started due to food scarcity of southern china and that the nobility owned over half of all the land leading to discontent
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Ali
it is the second bloodiest war in human history ( larger number of Casualties than ww1 ) and it all happened because someone felt he needed a holly brother; ) boy Wars in china's history has always been bloody bloody
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it is the second bloodiest war in human history ( larger number of Casualties than ww1 ) and it all happened because someone felt he needed a holly brother; ) boy Wars in china's history has always been bloody bloody
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Tactical
Thank you for making this, there are scary few sources on THE MOST DEVASTATING WAR IN HUMAN HISTORY BY DEATHS. Thus was before mass bombings or artillery, millions died to spears and melee weapons
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Thank you for making this, there are scary few sources on THE MOST DEVASTATING WAR IN HUMAN HISTORY BY DEATHS. Thus was before mass bombings or artillery, millions died to spears and melee weapons
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