How did the Peloponnesian War Happen? - Athens Faces Sparta (431-404 BC)
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-The next winter, Aristides, the son of Archippus, one of the commanders of a fleet which the Athenians had sent out to gather tribute from their confederates, apprehended Artaphernes, a Persian, in the town of Eion upon the river Strymon, going from the king to Lacedaemon. When he was brought to Athens, the Athenians translated his letters out of the Assyrian language into Greek and read them; wherein, amongst many other things that were written to the Lacedaemonians, the principal was this: that he knew not what they meant, for many ambassadors came, but they spake not the same thing; if therefore they had anything to say certain, they should send somebody to him with this Persian. The Athenians afterwards sent back Artaphernes in a galley to Ephesus, and ambassadors with him, who heard there of the death of King Artaxerxes, son of Xerxes, which took place about that time, and so returned home. - - Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War 4. 50
This passage sounds very fascinating, but I do not fully understand since I am not fully aware or knowledgable about the exact historical content and historical context behind it. I was therefore wondering what is the significance of this passage from Thucydides? Thanks.\r\n
Date: 2023-12-16
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-mbmb4284
Although the presenation of the evemts of the Peloponnessian War was excellent the conclusive statement was poorly worded. The conquest of the other Greek states by Phillip and Alexander brought about the Hellenistic age in which the Hellenic culture was spread around the world. Due to the conquests of Alexander, Hellenism had a global cultural hegemony during the times of the dominance of Rome and even during a great portion of the medieval age due to the Greek speaking and heavily Hellenized eastern Roman empire. As such ancient Greece, as a culture but also as a state, certainly did not die at the end of the Pelloponisian war. Unless if one defines -ancient Greece- as the the epoch of the -Greek city states-.
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Although the presenation of the evemts of the Peloponnessian War was excellent the conclusive statement was poorly worded. The conquest of the other Greek states by Phillip and Alexander brought about the Hellenistic age in which the Hellenic culture was spread around the world. Due to the conquests of Alexander, Hellenism had a global cultural hegemony during the times of the dominance of Rome and even during a great portion of the medieval age due to the Greek speaking and heavily Hellenized eastern Roman empire. As such ancient Greece, as a culture but also as a state, certainly did not die at the end of the Pelloponisian war. Unless if one defines -ancient Greece- as the the epoch of the -Greek city states-.
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-Chaos-Nyx-Erebus
Give me a God Damn time machine. I want to go back to my ancestors to tell them to calm down. To tell them all Greeks should be united. Establish the Empire. Avoid the Schism. Watch out for the POS Persians, Ottomans and Germanic tribes of the North. Today, the world would be completely different. Just imagine! Our technological advancement would be orders of magnitude greater and the entire world Enlightened. Sigh! A simple Greek man can Dream. right? Guys. RIGHT? - -
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Give me a God Damn time machine. I want to go back to my ancestors to tell them to calm down. To tell them all Greeks should be united. Establish the Empire. Avoid the Schism. Watch out for the POS Persians, Ottomans and Germanic tribes of the North. Today, the world would be completely different. Just imagine! Our technological advancement would be orders of magnitude greater and the entire world Enlightened. Sigh! A simple Greek man can Dream. right? Guys. RIGHT? - -
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-sipahihan1
As a historian i can add, Syracuse was colonized by Corinth, They had very close ties with their motherpolis.
After Peloponnesos war there were many unemployed mercenary hoplits and bands. Around 10. 000 of them march to overthrow Persian king and replace Cyrus the young. Yet they failed to do so. After that, they march back from the Persia to Hellas.
Fun fact is, Alexander the great was impressed by this event became an inspiration to conquer Persia.
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As a historian i can add, Syracuse was colonized by Corinth, They had very close ties with their motherpolis.
After Peloponnesos war there were many unemployed mercenary hoplits and bands. Around 10. 000 of them march to overthrow Persian king and replace Cyrus the young. Yet they failed to do so. After that, they march back from the Persia to Hellas.
Fun fact is, Alexander the great was impressed by this event became an inspiration to conquer Persia.
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-julianmarsh8384
You started off with a decent generalized accounting of the struggle but screwed up in the last part. But it just wasn't Athenian expansion that led to Sparta feeling the need to go to war; it was the manner in which Athens expanded, at the expense of Megara and Aegina, both Spartan allies. Too, the Athenian leader, Pericles, insisted to the Athenians that war was inevitable, and this is what we call a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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You started off with a decent generalized accounting of the struggle but screwed up in the last part. But it just wasn't Athenian expansion that led to Sparta feeling the need to go to war; it was the manner in which Athens expanded, at the expense of Megara and Aegina, both Spartan allies. Too, the Athenian leader, Pericles, insisted to the Athenians that war was inevitable, and this is what we call a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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-rezchili6240
Sometime videos like this tell the truth for the people and stop the lies of the so called megali-idea. Where is Epirus and Macedonia that Greeks claim as part of their helenic populations and territories? The answer is simple; Epirus has always been Albanian and grabbed by Greece in 1913 as did with the territory of Macedonia. To add that also Macedonians never spoke the old Greek language (different from the the new Greek)
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Sometime videos like this tell the truth for the people and stop the lies of the so called megali-idea. Where is Epirus and Macedonia that Greeks claim as part of their helenic populations and territories? The answer is simple; Epirus has always been Albanian and grabbed by Greece in 1913 as did with the territory of Macedonia. To add that also Macedonians never spoke the old Greek language (different from the the new Greek)
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-lakingsgeek
Finally, a good, concise history of the Peloponnesian War that uses maps and simple animations to great effect instead of generic, distracting artwork as filler. I finally have a good basic grasp of the conflict that will help me understand the much more detailed book I'm about to read. Thank you for understanding that visual aids, when done right, can greatly enhance the viewer's understanding of complex subjects.
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Finally, a good, concise history of the Peloponnesian War that uses maps and simple animations to great effect instead of generic, distracting artwork as filler. I finally have a good basic grasp of the conflict that will help me understand the much more detailed book I'm about to read. Thank you for understanding that visual aids, when done right, can greatly enhance the viewer's understanding of complex subjects.
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-mariosathens1
We can call it a -World war- since it dragged into conflict the entire Greek World with several city-states participating.
But it paved the way for the Hellenistic Kingdom of Macedonia to become the Hegemon of Greeks after the Athenian, Spartan and Theban Hegemony something which lead to the Persian campaign and the expansion of the Greek World to Asia.
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We can call it a -World war- since it dragged into conflict the entire Greek World with several city-states participating.
But it paved the way for the Hellenistic Kingdom of Macedonia to become the Hegemon of Greeks after the Athenian, Spartan and Theban Hegemony something which lead to the Persian campaign and the expansion of the Greek World to Asia.
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knowledgia
How was ancient Greece the loser? Philip's conquest resulted in Alexander taking Asia and the Greeks colonizing all of the near East, while Greek kingdoms emerged as far as Bactria and India. The fact that Macedon conquered the other Greek states is the primary reason the Roman empire turned Greek in the medieval age, and Greece still existing today
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How was ancient Greece the loser? Philip's conquest resulted in Alexander taking Asia and the Greeks colonizing all of the near East, while Greek kingdoms emerged as far as Bactria and India. The fact that Macedon conquered the other Greek states is the primary reason the Roman empire turned Greek in the medieval age, and Greece still existing today
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-mariosathens1
If you read the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides you will understand that almost nothing has changed when it comes to wars, diplomacy, bilateral relations, coalitions etc. Especially the diplomatic letters reveal dialogues, arguments, accusations etc between city-states that you often listen to in the modern era between rival countries.
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If you read the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides you will understand that almost nothing has changed when it comes to wars, diplomacy, bilateral relations, coalitions etc. Especially the diplomatic letters reveal dialogues, arguments, accusations etc between city-states that you often listen to in the modern era between rival countries.
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-rezchili6240
Dorians were pelazgian and doric language was not greek. The only question is: did Greece occupied and annexed Southern Albania and slavic Macedonians in 1913? Another question is have you ever read the original Iliad of Homer? In what language is written? Have you ever seen the difference of: old greek and new greek languages?
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Dorians were pelazgian and doric language was not greek. The only question is: did Greece occupied and annexed Southern Albania and slavic Macedonians in 1913? Another question is have you ever read the original Iliad of Homer? In what language is written? Have you ever seen the difference of: old greek and new greek languages?
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knowledgia
It depends what you mean by Greek Golden Age. If you are refering to the Classical City States in Southern Greece, then I guess their Golden Age ended when Macedon dominated them. But if you're refering to Greece as a whole, its Golden Age probably ended when Rome started conquering the Hellenic Successor Empires one by one.
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It depends what you mean by Greek Golden Age. If you are refering to the Classical City States in Southern Greece, then I guess their Golden Age ended when Macedon dominated them. But if you're refering to Greece as a whole, its Golden Age probably ended when Rome started conquering the Hellenic Successor Empires one by one.
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-Sp-zj5hw
During the time of the Peloponnesian War the Greek Heart was beating in Greece Proper and Magna Grecia. After Alexander the Greek center moved to Asia Minor and Anatolia and it remained there until 1453. Greece Proper was considered an abandonded, desolate wild west during the medieval Basileia of Rhomaion.
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During the time of the Peloponnesian War the Greek Heart was beating in Greece Proper and Magna Grecia. After Alexander the Greek center moved to Asia Minor and Anatolia and it remained there until 1453. Greece Proper was considered an abandonded, desolate wild west during the medieval Basileia of Rhomaion.
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-mrstone9105
Great video but in the end you got it all wrong. How can ancient Greece be the loser if Macedon and Persia won the war? Macedons were Greek a tribe and under Phillip and Alexander the Great united all of Greece except Sparta and spread the Hellenization to India and Egypt.
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Great video but in the end you got it all wrong. How can ancient Greece be the loser if Macedon and Persia won the war? Macedons were Greek a tribe and under Phillip and Alexander the Great united all of Greece except Sparta and spread the Hellenization to India and Egypt.
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knowledgia
Bro thinks he's tough talking on Insta if you ever see me on the streets you better run because I play no games. Im from the hood g, I grew up in the slums in NYC and my street cred is not to be questioned gang. U don't play wit me or shi will get ugly
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Bro thinks he's tough talking on Insta if you ever see me on the streets you better run because I play no games. Im from the hood g, I grew up in the slums in NYC and my street cred is not to be questioned gang. U don't play wit me or shi will get ugly
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-Durzo1259
The ending doesn't seem explained very well. In the end, Macedon conquered all of Greece and -the real loser in it all was ancient Greece. -
Why? Macedon was just another Greek state. How did that spell the end of Greece?
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The ending doesn't seem explained very well. In the end, Macedon conquered all of Greece and -the real loser in it all was ancient Greece. -
Why? Macedon was just another Greek state. How did that spell the end of Greece?
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-josephstalin331
As an Athenian, I feel honored that you covered this essential part of my countrys history.
Civil wars really weakened Greece in old and modern timeline.
Great work, you are excellent at presentations.
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As an Athenian, I feel honored that you covered this essential part of my countrys history.
Civil wars really weakened Greece in old and modern timeline.
Great work, you are excellent at presentations.
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-Limited_Artists
Dunno if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that there were warriors that did not fight under any of the two banners of Greece and that provided a threat for both of the nations.
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Dunno if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that there were warriors that did not fight under any of the two banners of Greece and that provided a threat for both of the nations.
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-TexasTimeLord
Persia financed most of the conflicts between the Greek City States in order to keep them from uniting again Persia. The Greeks like utter fools, destroyed themselves
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Persia financed most of the conflicts between the Greek City States in order to keep them from uniting again Persia. The Greeks like utter fools, destroyed themselves
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-tasosGRvocals
Again, the Kingdom of Macedon was Greek. So Greece wasn't the loser as a whole as you claim, but the winner, cause the Macedonian empire went on to get enormous.
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Again, the Kingdom of Macedon was Greek. So Greece wasn't the loser as a whole as you claim, but the winner, cause the Macedonian empire went on to get enormous.
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knowledgia
What a terrible narrator. He speaks too slowly, over-enunciates to a ridiculous point, and ALWAYS mispronounces everything! How can you not even say -Corinth- right?
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What a terrible narrator. He speaks too slowly, over-enunciates to a ridiculous point, and ALWAYS mispronounces everything! How can you not even say -Corinth- right?
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knowledgia
Another Illyrian war
Greece doesn-t exist then
Greece made by German Otto in 1823 after Kapodistrian death
So let the bullisht ok and tell the truth
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Another Illyrian war
Greece doesn-t exist then
Greece made by German Otto in 1823 after Kapodistrian death
So let the bullisht ok and tell the truth
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-wankawanka3053
Wow the ending was so wrong in so many levels- completely skipped a bunch of conflicts and no phillip didn't end sparta's ambitions that was thebes
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Wow the ending was so wrong in so many levels- completely skipped a bunch of conflicts and no phillip didn't end sparta's ambitions that was thebes
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-georgiosdem8443
On March 12, 1996 the Mayor of Athens and the Mayor of Sparta signed a symbolic peace trety 2500 years after the end of the Peloponnesian war.
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On March 12, 1996 the Mayor of Athens and the Mayor of Sparta signed a symbolic peace trety 2500 years after the end of the Peloponnesian war.
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-jonerlandson1956
1177 BCE. the collapse of the bronze age. draught. shortage of tin. and. the sea peoples. the philistines. and. the greeks. the same peoples.
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1177 BCE. the collapse of the bronze age. draught. shortage of tin. and. the sea peoples. the philistines. and. the greeks. the same peoples.
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-middler5
Nothing changes. Alliances clash in some small time region after taking sides.
Also Alcibiades is one of my favourite personalities of the era.
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Nothing changes. Alliances clash in some small time region after taking sides.
Also Alcibiades is one of my favourite personalities of the era.
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-samwill7259
The map of the Peloponnesian League always makes me laugh
Argos just sitting there like -Maybe if we don't move neither of them will see us. -
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The map of the Peloponnesian League always makes me laugh
Argos just sitting there like -Maybe if we don't move neither of them will see us. -
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-paradox7358
How different history could have played out if Athens, who championed ideas of democracy had won, instead of the warrior culture of Sparta?
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How different history could have played out if Athens, who championed ideas of democracy had won, instead of the warrior culture of Sparta?
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-sameerthakur720
Peloponnesia?
When you give a place a name that's so damn difficult to spell and pronounce. that's reason enough for a dozen wars.
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Peloponnesia?
When you give a place a name that's so damn difficult to spell and pronounce. that's reason enough for a dozen wars.
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-miliba
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It is a boring Sunday, you dread Monday coming. Suddenly Knowledgia, Sandroman History and Kings & Generals upload videos and the day is saved!
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