davincimen4495
Like the criminal Utah politicians and the Salt Lake City communist corporate media of Fox13, KUTV2, ABC4, KSL (NBC, Des News, Salt Lake Tribune, no mention of the huge pumping of the lakes water into the west desert into huge concrete ditches to evaporate for mining interests to take up the residue left behind.
Agricultural use of water is demonized within the legislature.
Until there is honesty in the media to address the fact the lake is being pumped into the west desert for mining interests, I’ll remain skeptical of all the sold out politicians who demonize water usage while remaining silent on said pumping of the lakes water into the west.
Already, they’ve been sending water right into the lake from reservoirs such Deer Creek reservoir directly. That’s not disclosed in the media.
The WEF and UN agenda 2030, are human life and liberty hating organizations/agendas. I’m skeptical of the fearmongering of the lake scare and those behind it when locally, not a mention is had of these mining interests pumping the lake dry. Why are multinational corporate mining interests never made mention of in salt lake media and barely referenced here
The pioneer people had the desert blossom as the rose. The drunkards of Ephraim who sell out to mining interests who are never mentioned in salt lake media, seem wanting to breed famine and have their fat valleys dry up and blow away as the mining powers pump the lake dry and the agricultural use of water is demonized.
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tiagoprado7001
At this point I think Americans should be declared incapable of adapting to any climate that isn't the midwest/northeast and just not be allowed to own anything else. Just cut your losses and divide it up among countries that actually know how to live in deserts and warm places.
The same goes for the south btw, Americans always talk about how the sun belt could only possibly grow after the invention of the AC, as if people all around the world haven't been building big cities in hot climates for centuries. No, it's your franky ridiculous insitance on reproducing the same type of develpment that works in New Jersey and Ohio everywhere else that kept people from moving to warm places sooner and it's what's making you create the Aral Sea 2. 0.
But we all know you won't give up having gigantic grass lawns and water intensive crops no matter what, so enjoy the toxic dust storms, droughts and soaring water and energy bills I guess. When SLC manages to steal more water from poorer communities and pipe it into the city like Los Angeles did at least they'll have more room in the dried lakebed to build more suburbs with big lawns and plant more crops and pretend like they don't need to plan ahead once more, until it suddenly comes up to bite them again and everyone acts like it was a completely unpredictable and unpreventable crisis once again.
In the words of my old sociology professor: to err is human, but to keep insisting on the same mistake over and over is American
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Radish-Noms
The homes ARE NOT cheaper than CA. It's widely reported that way but it's not true. Just a basic small house starts aroun 4 million. You aren't buying anything in SLC for less than 4 million starting price. If you are lucky you may find a house for around 2 million, but that's rare. Also EVERYTHING has cost me more here than in CA, and my medical costs have increased no joke about 1000% compared to anywhere else I've lived. It would literally save me 100s a month to move to Hawaii. I see reports online. but there must be some $1 crappy property somewhere bringing averages down. It is one of the worst cost-of-living to income ratios (was the number one worst a few years ago. The economy here is garbage, unless you work in real estate, medical, or legal. All the new construction is for himes that nobody here can afford. They keep cutting bus lines. A living wage here in SLC is about $24/hout but it is almost impossible to find something paying over $15/hr. I literally saw listings requiring PHD starting at $16/hr. Everything good you have heard online is inaccurate. Everything bad you have heard is probably an understatement. The one piece of advice I wish I knew before moving to SLC is: DON'T. Everyone here needs to leave. ALL OF US. It's already miserable, and getting worse daily.
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gussampson5029
One of the things climate change cultists love to do is to rattle off every possible negative effect as if it's certain to happen and completely ignore all the mitigating effects. Every negative prediction is inevitable but increased snowpack right after their initial prediction is environmental luck. What kind of science is environmental luck Lol. Did it not have a cause
Environmentalists repeat the same cycles over and over. They make bad predictions and then have to revise them because there are a million mitigating factors whereby changes create other changes which actually soften the negative effects. Like when they predicted massive spikes in atmospheric carbon but instead the oceans absorbed far more than they predicted. Then they claim it's going to poison sea life lol.
The Earth is a massively complex system, far more complex than dumb shit climate cultists are capable of appreciating. If you ignore all the mitigating effects and make all of your predictions based on the worst case scenarios, you're going to continue to be wrong and waste billions more.
Always remember that these environmentalists make doomsday predictions every decade and they've been constantly wrong for at least a century.
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yu-genechen8652
InterestingIy does not answer the question. Blames the problem on local Republicans but then compares Salt Lake problem with two California lakes and multiple California cities that have been a complete disaster showingWhat could possibly happen to saltLake city in salt lake, but the comparison is against what has happened in an adjacent Democrat controlled state democrat controlled counties and democrat controlled cities. So, it seems just political bashing in this video that they're blaming the problem on Republicans. The video conveniently makes no mention of the democratic party controlling california. Yet, compares Utah Salt Lake problems with the real disasters of California ( that is democratic party controlled. Also, it's dates that all this lake shrinkage is due to human activity. But the lake started shrinking over seventeen thousand years. Ago, when there were no humans living in the area or at least no large population. And no large town. RightThere's no explanation of how are what was driving this like shrinkage problem since before humans were even in the areaAnd that is likely still continuing to this day. But I would agree, that local human activity is making the problem worse.
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kanyanviers8776
Just as another example of another lake that had the fate the Great Salt Lake may, Sevier Lake, the one that you showed on the map of other lakes that are Bonneville remnants hasn't existed since the 1880's due to the Sevier and Beaver rivers being fully drained well before they ever get close to Sevier Lake and it is always just there as you pass by on Highway 6&50 as a reminder of what we've lost, that unique enviroment that that the Great Salt Lake is the only other with one like it, we lost also the economic value of the potential mining and evaporation pools they do on the GSL and the Brine shrimp harvesting they do there. It was lost entirely because alfalfa harvesting and fierce battles over water rights. And just to let you know how much alfalfa they farm there, just in the town and surrounding area of Delta they farm 1/3 of all alfalfa in Utah. Because of this it has just turned into a salt flat and also muddy mess when it rains. I wish we could save the Great Salt Lake and revive the Sevier Lake but i think the Sevier Lake is out of reach at this point.
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gehtdichnixan2499
HAHAHAHA so degrowth for survival I doubt it, in good old capitalism. Profit, profit, turn everything into money, money.
I call it, with evidence and right, a so1c1dal cult.
Enjoy your steak on the grill (16000 liters per 1 kg, you could have choosen potatoes (119 liter per kg, or even be a reasonable person and go fully vegan, but dont dare to complain in 2050, that you have to decide between eating or drinking. Even though, I doubt you will have a choice anyway.
Happy drying and keep worrying about nonsense and build more AI plants who need water for cooling and electricity, produced by WATERCOOLED powerplants. What should go wrong
But all good, Peter Tiehl, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and friends have already their bunkers in New Zealand, they will be safe. You and I We meet Lemmy Kilmister (10 years RIP.
Good luck.
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user-mg8in3ku1l
Short answer: it's not.
I live by that lake. The before size of the lake-- 1987-- was after 7 super-wet years. We had such destruction from high lake levels that the state spent millions to build pumps to divert the water to the desert to evaporate.
Since the lake is so shallow, (an average of 14 feet deep, a slight increase or decrease makes a disproportionate difference in the visible size of the lake. That 1987 picture Using a deceptive anomaly is bad policy. The 7 years of greater rainfall had caused the lake to rise 12 vertical feet, nearly doubling its normal volume, threatening homes, farms, and even our international airport.
I recommend using the 1963 lake levels as the before. We're currently higher than that right now.
Or maybe use the average.
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reallifelore
Making an entire region uninhabitable by stripping the last drop of it's water to checks notes 1) make livestock feed for shitty burgers - and milk that we are not biologically suited to consume and 2) LITERALLY pour down the drain for no reason other than to maintain an ugly, soulless grass yard instead of a having a beautiful, sustainable selection of native plants and substrates. (AND as a fun bonus, likely poisoning the soil to a large-to-indefinite period of complete infertility with nitrogen and other fertilizers for the sake of both of these useless tasks. sigh, yeah, unfortunately that tracks. Our values, lifestyles, and status symbols are so far out of whack with the health of our one and only livable biosphere.
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ncdave4life
There's a lot of incorrect information in this video.
Not much lives in the Great Salt Lake. It contains no fish, because it is too salty for fish. It does have some brine shrimp, but it's not an important ecosystem.
Nor was the Great Salt Lake ever the USA's 3rd largest lake. Even at its peak, around 1987, it was still less than half the size of the smallest of the five Great Lakes.
Nor is it true that climate change contributes to the Great Salt Lake's decline. Acceleration of the water cycle increases rainfall as much as it increases evaporation, and rising CO2 levels reduce the water requirements of alfalfa.
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rickosborne6521
As an SLC resident, I'm glad someone is pointing out how ridiculous the alfalfa issue is. The state gets almost nothing out of it, and it's almost the entire cause of the lake decline. Not that it isn't also ridiculous that we all try to keep lush green lawns here in the high desert, but residents are frequently blamed for the lake shrinkage and expected to make up the difference. Not mathematically possible. We could stop using residential water entirely and it would barely slow the lake shrinkage. It's mind blowing how the alfalfa industry manages to keep a stranglehold on our water.
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ThomasJDavis
It's politics. The more city people (usually liberals) that move to Utah, the more it incentivizes the right-wing state government to listen to the agriculture lobbyists who hold the environment hostage to keep the state republican dominant. It's a threat, telling people (liberals) to stop moving to Utah.
If the state wasn't shifting blue and had a long term trajectory of remaining red, the state government wouldn't feel such a need to appease the lobbyists and could afford to cut back on alfalfa farming without compromising the political composition of the state.
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redjp2318
Good grief. Stop blaming farmers and alfalfa. We now use less water than we did 50 years ago for agriculture because every farmer has slowly died off and the land has been sold to developers. The real problem is that this state has grown so much and is the number 1 move in state in the usa right now. Millions and millions of people have moved here. The land has been developed and the water has gone to the people moving in. To top it off, the state hosts the NSA and tons of tech AI data centers which use the water.
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bpbpbpbpbpbp
I appreciate the vid. Important topic and some good info. Would personally prefer a delay in posting to a less-structured and redundant script, though.
I say this knowing that it can be (and has been) better, and tightening the script deserves the time it takes. The redundancy, meandering flow, and repetitive phrasing in this vid unfortunately got too distracting for me to continue past the halfway point.
Hopefully this comes across constructively. Thank you again for taking the time to make the vid.
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gussampson5029
The climate change people are so similar to delusional religious cults that it's honestly a little scary. It's sad that we can't have a group of people who care about the environment but aren't actively psychotic doomsday cultists. If we did, we might be able to make some actual gradual progress. But when you constantly make these grand predictions of doom and want to force expensive and immediate changes onto people who are already struggling, it's really impossible to take them seriously.
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JonBGreen91
Without the loaded issue of climate change, we can put it in economic terms.
SLC is in a water deficit. Nature is paying residents X gal to live there, but residents are spending Y to live and expand.
Just as an elevator has a maximum capacity, so does a region.
So, water needs to be rationed (because desert) and the city needs to expel residents until capacity has been reached.
1st wave needs to be voluntary.
That's my laymen outsider opinion, based on the info provided.
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Radish-Noms
The thing with the lake is it is already far too late to do anything to stop the dissaster. It CANNOT be stopped. But what we can do is mitigate how bad it's gonna be. but some level of bad is gonna happen at this point. Property values are going to CRASH on all the expensive stuff and it's going to be bad on so many fronts. We need: 1. NOBODY ELSE TO MOVE HERE ANDMOST PEOPLE TO LEAVE 2. Completely different lifestyles across the board 3. Completely different leadership
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gehtdichnixan2499
So do we act now, put money and effort in saving ourselfs or pay with all we have in lately 2050 And Faggck you boomers, you are not asked. My dear middle aged, young friends, we have to cut our consum and force the elderly to less. Or face the catastrophic result. Believe me, Trump is uncomfortabel, fighting constantly for a bottle of water, for 1 more day of survival is a whole different story.
Make your choice.
Ignorance is expensive, right L. A.
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Freak80MC
Religious people don't destroy God's natural wonders challenge: Failed
But seriously, I will NEVER get why it's always the ultra religious folks who don't care one bit about the environment, when they should be the ones to care for what they see as God's creation the most.
It's like saying you love your dad, but he gives you his old car and instead of repairing it, every day you take a sledgehammer to it. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
2025-10-29
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SirAsdf
Hybrid is the 1996 RPG where the reader experiences what would happen if The Blob retained the knowledge of all the people it ate, had an all-you-can-eat buffet through a few colleges with focus on the math courses, and then was dropped from orbit onto an industry scale LSD factory, then in the middle of it's bad trip, was forced to write something that might vaguely resemble a ttrpg to a 5th dimensional Lovecraftian terror from the final star.
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