Did King Richard III Really Murder His Own Nephews? Fact Or Fiction Timeline
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Brian
Thanks Tony, Brilliant. I was watching the UK program The Hollow Crown from William Shakespears plays and decided to do some fact checking as I thought from memory Richard 3rd was not as portraid in those plays. That Billy was a entertainer and wrote to suit his times, brilliant all the same. Great facts and analysis well mperesented, thankyou. I did if you read these things watch about 15 to 20 years ago, I think a BBC docco on who are the real Royal family and it was on exactly the circumstances you describe at the end of this. It was called the Real Royal Family I think, As the most legitimate claim is now by a council woker who lives in a country town in New SOuth Wales Australia. It was aristocratic until sometime in the late 19C or early 20thC, the then Lord gambled the $$ away and emigrated to Oz. I think if you search you will find the docco. I have a badly recorded vudeo ie tape in the bowles of my garage somewhere.
I love what you do Tony, from walks, to your digs to this stuff, to the worst jobs ever. I live in Oz but grew up in the UK went to Sheffiled Uni and emigrated to Oz 2 years after graduating. Was so glad to get away from Tatchers Uk and now am glad not to be in Tory Uk and its madness. But I do miss this stuff a lot, my uni shield has the White Rose on It, the Rose Of York. So proud of that.
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Thanks Tony, Brilliant. I was watching the UK program The Hollow Crown from William Shakespears plays and decided to do some fact checking as I thought from memory Richard 3rd was not as portraid in those plays. That Billy was a entertainer and wrote to suit his times, brilliant all the same. Great facts and analysis well mperesented, thankyou. I did if you read these things watch about 15 to 20 years ago, I think a BBC docco on who are the real Royal family and it was on exactly the circumstances you describe at the end of this. It was called the Real Royal Family I think, As the most legitimate claim is now by a council woker who lives in a country town in New SOuth Wales Australia. It was aristocratic until sometime in the late 19C or early 20thC, the then Lord gambled the $$ away and emigrated to Oz. I think if you search you will find the docco. I have a badly recorded vudeo ie tape in the bowles of my garage somewhere.
I love what you do Tony, from walks, to your digs to this stuff, to the worst jobs ever. I live in Oz but grew up in the UK went to Sheffiled Uni and emigrated to Oz 2 years after graduating. Was so glad to get away from Tatchers Uk and now am glad not to be in Tory Uk and its madness. But I do miss this stuff a lot, my uni shield has the White Rose on It, the Rose Of York. So proud of that.
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leanie
Sadly, I don't have much doubt that Richard was responsible for the murder of the princes. why else would he have needed BOTH boys to be imprisoned? If Edward was figurehead for rebellion, his little brother was only a threat if Edward was dead. Although King Richard had passed legislation which disinherited his nephews, he would have known that they were a serious threat to his reign. If he had planned to simply keep Edward under lock-and-key, he would not have needed the spare-heir, he could have left the second son with the rest of the family. The only reason for snatching little Richard was to do away with the threat altogether.
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Sadly, I don't have much doubt that Richard was responsible for the murder of the princes. why else would he have needed BOTH boys to be imprisoned? If Edward was figurehead for rebellion, his little brother was only a threat if Edward was dead. Although King Richard had passed legislation which disinherited his nephews, he would have known that they were a serious threat to his reign. If he had planned to simply keep Edward under lock-and-key, he would not have needed the spare-heir, he could have left the second son with the rest of the family. The only reason for snatching little Richard was to do away with the threat altogether.
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kudu42
If Richard killed Edwards sons, why did he not also kill George's son, whose claim to the throne was arguably stronger than his (Richards) - also, at the time of the alleged murder of the princes, the Constable of the Tower was Lord Stanley. No-one could have got to the boys without his knowledge. Stanley promised to fight for Richard at Bosworth, but in the event he reneged on that promise and stood off during the battle. Stanley was married to Lady Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry Tudor, later Henry 7th - what a coincidence!
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If Richard killed Edwards sons, why did he not also kill George's son, whose claim to the throne was arguably stronger than his (Richards) - also, at the time of the alleged murder of the princes, the Constable of the Tower was Lord Stanley. No-one could have got to the boys without his knowledge. Stanley promised to fight for Richard at Bosworth, but in the event he reneged on that promise and stood off during the battle. Stanley was married to Lady Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry Tudor, later Henry 7th - what a coincidence!
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Ivo
Regardind the question at the end: the legitimate monarch on England is Queen Elizabeth II. She descends from Henry VII, who became the rightfull monarch when he conquered the throne from Richard III. Henry's marriege to Elizabeth served first and foremost to prevent his enemies to rally around other descendents of her father over claims of legitimacy. But he could have married any other woman and he would still be king.
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Regardind the question at the end: the legitimate monarch on England is Queen Elizabeth II. She descends from Henry VII, who became the rightfull monarch when he conquered the throne from Richard III. Henry's marriege to Elizabeth served first and foremost to prevent his enemies to rally around other descendents of her father over claims of legitimacy. But he could have married any other woman and he would still be king.
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kimsold22
A lot of death around Richard 3 his brother, the boys mom uncle, Lord Hastings and the boys. And he got the throne imagine that but only for two years. The boys sister husband Henry 7 beat him on the battlefield and took the throne. Such a sordid past for the royalty to keep power Henry 7 was Mary Queen of scots great grandfather and we know what her own family did to her again for power of Scotland.
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A lot of death around Richard 3 his brother, the boys mom uncle, Lord Hastings and the boys. And he got the throne imagine that but only for two years. The boys sister husband Henry 7 beat him on the battlefield and took the throne. Such a sordid past for the royalty to keep power Henry 7 was Mary Queen of scots great grandfather and we know what her own family did to her again for power of Scotland.
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dave
Four words in and I am already arguing with the historical validity. This is NOT a murder mystery. It is a missing persons enquiry as there is not a single shred of evidence the princes were murdered at all, by anyone. They could have both died of natural causes (as in the case of Thomas Cromwells family per Wolf Hall) or could have been moved to a place of safety.
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Four words in and I am already arguing with the historical validity. This is NOT a murder mystery. It is a missing persons enquiry as there is not a single shred of evidence the princes were murdered at all, by anyone. They could have both died of natural causes (as in the case of Thomas Cromwells family per Wolf Hall) or could have been moved to a place of safety.
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Celto
At the end he talks about how every monarch since shouldn't be there. Well, how a many times did this happen before? How rightful is a Norman to rule Saxons? How rightful is a Saxon to rule British Celts? What about the kings before Rome? None of them are 'rightful', they just took power. That's how the world works Tone.
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At the end he talks about how every monarch since shouldn't be there. Well, how a many times did this happen before? How rightful is a Norman to rule Saxons? How rightful is a Saxon to rule British Celts? What about the kings before Rome? None of them are 'rightful', they just took power. That's how the world works Tone.
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TheMawalli128
Also, what I dont get is that if Elizabeth Woodwille was Queen, followed by Elizabeth of York, then Jane, then Mart and then Elizabeth Tudor, wouldnt that make her Elizabeth the 3rd and not the first? I mean yeah the others werent monarchs but were crowned all the same!
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Also, what I dont get is that if Elizabeth Woodwille was Queen, followed by Elizabeth of York, then Jane, then Mart and then Elizabeth Tudor, wouldnt that make her Elizabeth the 3rd and not the first? I mean yeah the others werent monarchs but were crowned all the same!
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Sandra
But but but didnt Richard try to kill the princes? He was hunchbacked. I love the Richard III society, how they try and convinces us that everyone, EVERYONE. That there was someone anyone else was guilty. The way to solve this is to do DNA testing on the bones.
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But but but didnt Richard try to kill the princes? He was hunchbacked. I love the Richard III society, how they try and convinces us that everyone, EVERYONE. That there was someone anyone else was guilty. The way to solve this is to do DNA testing on the bones.
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Jeff
If he knew he was going to kill them, Why didn't he just kill them. He would be the next in line, the son of his brother George having been attained. He could have easily blamed it on Buckingham. He had the motive of wanting to clear the way for Henry.
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If he knew he was going to kill them, Why didn't he just kill them. He would be the next in line, the son of his brother George having been attained. He could have easily blamed it on Buckingham. He had the motive of wanting to clear the way for Henry.
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Maria
Lets go, 1000th comment!
Another way that the Tudor house brought down Richard IIIs reputation was the color of his eyes and hair. He had blue eyes and blond hair instead of the black eyes and dark hair we see in later portraits of him.
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Lets go, 1000th comment!
Another way that the Tudor house brought down Richard IIIs reputation was the color of his eyes and hair. He had blue eyes and blond hair instead of the black eyes and dark hair we see in later portraits of him.
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MortalClown
The remains of Richard III confirmed everything that was said about his physique, in fact; he would have been stooped and I'll go with the bard that he might've been jealous of those more able.
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The remains of Richard III confirmed everything that was said about his physique, in fact; he would have been stooped and I'll go with the bard that he might've been jealous of those more able.
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Julie
I dont think so I think the tudors were behind the princes disappearance and death it was good to see that king Richard the third was found and given the burial that he deserved as a king.
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I dont think so I think the tudors were behind the princes disappearance and death it was good to see that king Richard the third was found and given the burial that he deserved as a king.
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Pete
At the end of this video the narrator raises an ignorant question. He does not seem to know that British royalty since George I, has had nothing to do with the Plantagenet bloodline.
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At the end of this video the narrator raises an ignorant question. He does not seem to know that British royalty since George I, has had nothing to do with the Plantagenet bloodline.
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education
I had to double-check the title because I wasn't sure whether I was watching a video of the most atrocious soundtracks in human history or a documentary about Richard III
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I had to double-check the title because I wasn't sure whether I was watching a video of the most atrocious soundtracks in human history or a documentary about Richard III
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TheMawalli128
From Eleanor of Aquitaine to Elizabeth of York, who was the most scheming queen and who was the most loyal? What happened to Henry the VI and Margret of Anjous son?
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From Eleanor of Aquitaine to Elizabeth of York, who was the most scheming queen and who was the most loyal? What happened to Henry the VI and Margret of Anjous son?
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Adam
Well this one didn't age well. The hump is fake, but now we've seen the skeleton was in fact a hunchback. Makes you wonder how many other times historians have got it wrong.
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Well this one didn't age well. The hump is fake, but now we've seen the skeleton was in fact a hunchback. Makes you wonder how many other times historians have got it wrong.
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C. J.
So, even if Edward the Fourth was illegitimate, he still would have been King by right of Conquest. I quote from the movie The King. all monarchies are illegitimate
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So, even if Edward the Fourth was illegitimate, he still would have been King by right of Conquest. I quote from the movie The King. all monarchies are illegitimate
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Laura
4: 14 Time to redo this documentary Considering he was conclusively found in a car park and his bones did in fact reveal that he had a massive spinal deformity.
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4: 14 Time to redo this documentary Considering he was conclusively found in a car park and his bones did in fact reveal that he had a massive spinal deformity.
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The
Am I crazy or does this documentary completely skip over the fact that Edward the fourth named Richard the Lord Protector? Thats kind of an important fact?
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Am I crazy or does this documentary completely skip over the fact that Edward the fourth named Richard the Lord Protector? Thats kind of an important fact?
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