What Forensics Reveals About The Violent Lives Of Peru's Mummies Timeline
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Sable
I get theyre experts via education but it still irks me that white people with zero spiritual or cultural connection and/or background to the people theyre studying act like they know more than the actual ancestors would about treating the body. I get the same cringe when I see white people appropriating Asian dress, or indigenous practices. They may mean well but in the end they are just imitating the authentic cultures that own ancient remains. Did they get permission to do this? Because this person was real. Lived. Loved. Died. Definitely didnt give their permission to be dug up and dissected for science on a public platform and displayed in a museum. No consent. No examine.
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I get theyre experts via education but it still irks me that white people with zero spiritual or cultural connection and/or background to the people theyre studying act like they know more than the actual ancestors would about treating the body. I get the same cringe when I see white people appropriating Asian dress, or indigenous practices. They may mean well but in the end they are just imitating the authentic cultures that own ancient remains. Did they get permission to do this? Because this person was real. Lived. Loved. Died. Definitely didnt give their permission to be dug up and dissected for science on a public platform and displayed in a museum. No consent. No examine.
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Debbra
I'm surprised they didn't consider that she died in childbirth - they had the pelvis - if she had been pregnant or given birth, this would have been detectable in the pelvis structure. We know child mortality was extremely high, it would follow that childbirth was also a major cause of maternal death. If she had been a warrior, she may have become ritually pregnant when she was too old to fight - an age of 30 - 40 would be quite advanced for this culture and time.
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I'm surprised they didn't consider that she died in childbirth - they had the pelvis - if she had been pregnant or given birth, this would have been detectable in the pelvis structure. We know child mortality was extremely high, it would follow that childbirth was also a major cause of maternal death. If she had been a warrior, she may have become ritually pregnant when she was too old to fight - an age of 30 - 40 would be quite advanced for this culture and time.
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CatLadyConfessions
Have they checked the jaw with the rest of the bones? Or cross referenced any tooth samples harvested elsewhere? What about known substances in the area that could cause the jaw damage? If the textiles are better in a certain place I might buy a hat there too so wardrobe can change. If someone has put a metal rod there, parts may have been incorporated from other bodies to fit the equipment or match the demands of the display.
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Have they checked the jaw with the rest of the bones? Or cross referenced any tooth samples harvested elsewhere? What about known substances in the area that could cause the jaw damage? If the textiles are better in a certain place I might buy a hat there too so wardrobe can change. If someone has put a metal rod there, parts may have been incorporated from other bodies to fit the equipment or match the demands of the display.
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DreamBelief
I've been sick and disabled all my life. One thing I have had to do frequently is undergo scans (most commonly x-ray, ultrasound and when I was younger MRI, but also bone scans, CT etc. I remember watching a documentary where they were scanning a mummy one time when I was about 8, and since then I always cheered myself up by imagining I'm an ancient mummy being studied lol. I still imagine it as an adult. It's just fun lol
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I've been sick and disabled all my life. One thing I have had to do frequently is undergo scans (most commonly x-ray, ultrasound and when I was younger MRI, but also bone scans, CT etc. I remember watching a documentary where they were scanning a mummy one time when I was about 8, and since then I always cheered myself up by imagining I'm an ancient mummy being studied lol. I still imagine it as an adult. It's just fun lol
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Elle
Since childhood I've always been fascinated by history and archeology. Recently though, I can't help but ask myself what purpose this particular kind of research serves? So many people in this world undeservingly suffer from hunger and illness while millions are spent on finding out what? Whether the mummy was tall or small, male or female, a butcher, a baker or a king?
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Since childhood I've always been fascinated by history and archeology. Recently though, I can't help but ask myself what purpose this particular kind of research serves? So many people in this world undeservingly suffer from hunger and illness while millions are spent on finding out what? Whether the mummy was tall or small, male or female, a butcher, a baker or a king?
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Lois
This is pure speculation she could have been a fishing partner for her ppl and that alone could have made her shoulders stronger. And she could be a man and the same could apply to him. Its all theoretical with the few clues this mummy has to offer, but no way can you say for sure but I bet all of this will be laid out with this mummy on display at the museum as fact.
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This is pure speculation she could have been a fishing partner for her ppl and that alone could have made her shoulders stronger. And she could be a man and the same could apply to him. Its all theoretical with the few clues this mummy has to offer, but no way can you say for sure but I bet all of this will be laid out with this mummy on display at the museum as fact.
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Mea
So, was there any evidence of healing on the broken bones or not? That would indicate whether the mummy was alive long enough after the bone break for it to start healing. If no healing occurred then the person died immediately or the bones were broken after death. Why was this not addressed? Poor archeology not to have included it.
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So, was there any evidence of healing on the broken bones or not? That would indicate whether the mummy was alive long enough after the bone break for it to start healing. If no healing occurred then the person died immediately or the bones were broken after death. Why was this not addressed? Poor archeology not to have included it.
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Sharon
Why take it away from country of origin? Leave people to their grave they have spiritual reasons why the spent such detail to mummiphy them
With their culture & their own country leave them be. Thats stealing! I cant understand why countries allow us to take them away & out of their country!
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Why take it away from country of origin? Leave people to their grave they have spiritual reasons why the spent such detail to mummiphy them
With their culture & their own country leave them be. Thats stealing! I cant understand why countries allow us to take them away & out of their country!
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jantell
I really don't understand why these scientists don't actually consult with native scientists on these matters obviously they would know about certain traditions that they did in the past if they weren't still practiced today. It's odd that they would take a guess on these things
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I really don't understand why these scientists don't actually consult with native scientists on these matters obviously they would know about certain traditions that they did in the past if they weren't still practiced today. It's odd that they would take a guess on these things
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Adi
It's so funny that at the very end of the investigation they find out the mummy is female. I know there is a process but if they do x-ray or CT scan first followed by the reading of a radiologist and it will easy for them to identify the gender age and cause of death.
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It's so funny that at the very end of the investigation they find out the mummy is female. I know there is a process but if they do x-ray or CT scan first followed by the reading of a radiologist and it will easy for them to identify the gender age and cause of death.
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Alyssa
love this documentary, but i do wish they would have consulted an actual Peruvian scholar as opposed from a white person from a completely different continent (as knowledgeable as he may be, he cannot give as full of a perspective as a native)
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love this documentary, but i do wish they would have consulted an actual Peruvian scholar as opposed from a white person from a completely different continent (as knowledgeable as he may be, he cannot give as full of a perspective as a native)
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West
In watching all of the civilizations that preserved human bodies by mummification, one starts to wonder. Is the modern practice of cremation a mistake of some sort? Did the civilizations practicing mummification also use cremation as well?
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In watching all of the civilizations that preserved human bodies by mummification, one starts to wonder. Is the modern practice of cremation a mistake of some sort? Did the civilizations practicing mummification also use cremation as well?
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existence
its incredible to me how science can help determine that this mummy was once a woman AND a warrior leader! i dont understand the concept of raiding someones tomb. no amount of wealth is worth desecrating a persons remains.
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its incredible to me how science can help determine that this mummy was once a woman AND a warrior leader! i dont understand the concept of raiding someones tomb. no amount of wealth is worth desecrating a persons remains.
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Michael
Being a fisherman does not exclude someone from being a shaman or leader. After all christ was a fisherman. Many catholic preists were fishermen. selling their fish during lent as meat was forbidden on fridays.
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Being a fisherman does not exclude someone from being a shaman or leader. After all christ was a fisherman. Many catholic preists were fishermen. selling their fish during lent as meat was forbidden on fridays.
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Ann
Why does Joanne Fletcher always wear BLACK? I realise that in places like Egypt with her hair colouring, surely she should wear WHITE? But in countries like Britain (Where it's cold) she could wear ANY colour.
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Why does Joanne Fletcher always wear BLACK? I realise that in places like Egypt with her hair colouring, surely she should wear WHITE? But in countries like Britain (Where it's cold) she could wear ANY colour.
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Eileen
This is all fascinating and I love it. However, part of me says these are someone's loved ones who were meant to rest in peace in their burial sites and now dug up and poked and prodded and examined.
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This is all fascinating and I love it. However, part of me says these are someone's loved ones who were meant to rest in peace in their burial sites and now dug up and poked and prodded and examined.
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TC38Cole
There are still cultures in South America where women are the hunter/gatherer/warriors and men tend the domestic duties like childcare and preparing and cooking food gathered by the women.
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There are still cultures in South America where women are the hunter/gatherer/warriors and men tend the domestic duties like childcare and preparing and cooking food gathered by the women.
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brian
I wonder are they acceptant enough to understand that this woman could be transitioning the very first transition male. I know he would have got my support anyway if I was around back then
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I wonder are they acceptant enough to understand that this woman could be transitioning the very first transition male. I know he would have got my support anyway if I was around back then
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Maria
I've been binge watching these documentaries for the last two days. they are so good!
Also side note, Chinchorro is the word got hammock in Venezuela (which is where I'm from)
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I've been binge watching these documentaries for the last two days. they are so good!
Also side note, Chinchorro is the word got hammock in Venezuela (which is where I'm from)
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Ack
I know how real records are stored. And when accessing them, would not be that dark in a warehouse of boxes when working on them. Trying to make an atmosphere is more like it.
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I know how real records are stored. And when accessing them, would not be that dark in a warehouse of boxes when working on them. Trying to make an atmosphere is more like it.
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