How One Woman’s Tragic Story Changed Right To Die Laws In America
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Date: 2024-05-11
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iTsEfFiNsTePhh
Just an FYI most of the information you used about Terri here was biased and came from her husband/his side who were the ones trying to and sadly succeeded in having her killed (allegedly because on her death he'd inherit a lot of money that she won due to some medical lawsuit- before finding out about that he was happily taking care of her and she was making progress but reverted once that care stopped and she was neglected but once he smelled that money he did a complete 180 fighting to have her killed, divorced her, and got with someone else and that's not even counting all the other messed up evil things he's allegedly done like not let the family see her wouldn't even let them apply chapstick or ice to her lips when she was dying, could never be alone with her, etc) there was no information in this video that came from Terry's family or even a completely unbiased party. At the very least you should've mentioned all sides not just one (for example i've heard that her brain damage was beyond repair but I also heard that it wasn't beyond repair and that when she was getting help she was improving, etc.
The real issue here is that first off unplugging someone isn't an instant painless thing (they slowly starve and dehydrate to death because they're denied food and water if I remember correctly it took two or so weeks for Terry to die and it wasn't pretty, secondly it's wild to me that our government/peers have the right to take our lives and even wilder that there was people in court literally fighting to have someone murdered by torture essentially, thirdly her family was more then willing to take care of her there was no doubt about that, fourthly there was no official papers saying what Terry wanted to happen in the event something like this happened it was all she said he said without physical proof, fifthly in the event that there's no official paperwork saying want someone wants to happen it's crazy to me that that insanely important life changing decision is put into the hands of someone who we have no idea who they truly are what their motivations are or even what their true relationship was like with the person (for example my mom was abusive and say when I was a kid I sadly went through the same thing she would've happily had me unplugged no doubt about it but to everyone else it would've been a awh that poor mother she's just doing right by her little girl when in reality it'd be anything but, and finally there's just so much more to this then was touched on this video didn't even get close to covering everything and it's just way too important a topic to gloss over (not just for Terry's sake but for other people who are currently going through this and sadly will be going through it in the future.
Glad this was brought up because it doesn't get enough coverage if at all but just wish it was better.
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Just an FYI most of the information you used about Terri here was biased and came from her husband/his side who were the ones trying to and sadly succeeded in having her killed (allegedly because on her death he'd inherit a lot of money that she won due to some medical lawsuit- before finding out about that he was happily taking care of her and she was making progress but reverted once that care stopped and she was neglected but once he smelled that money he did a complete 180 fighting to have her killed, divorced her, and got with someone else and that's not even counting all the other messed up evil things he's allegedly done like not let the family see her wouldn't even let them apply chapstick or ice to her lips when she was dying, could never be alone with her, etc) there was no information in this video that came from Terry's family or even a completely unbiased party. At the very least you should've mentioned all sides not just one (for example i've heard that her brain damage was beyond repair but I also heard that it wasn't beyond repair and that when she was getting help she was improving, etc.
The real issue here is that first off unplugging someone isn't an instant painless thing (they slowly starve and dehydrate to death because they're denied food and water if I remember correctly it took two or so weeks for Terry to die and it wasn't pretty, secondly it's wild to me that our government/peers have the right to take our lives and even wilder that there was people in court literally fighting to have someone murdered by torture essentially, thirdly her family was more then willing to take care of her there was no doubt about that, fourthly there was no official papers saying what Terry wanted to happen in the event something like this happened it was all she said he said without physical proof, fifthly in the event that there's no official paperwork saying want someone wants to happen it's crazy to me that that insanely important life changing decision is put into the hands of someone who we have no idea who they truly are what their motivations are or even what their true relationship was like with the person (for example my mom was abusive and say when I was a kid I sadly went through the same thing she would've happily had me unplugged no doubt about it but to everyone else it would've been a awh that poor mother she's just doing right by her little girl when in reality it'd be anything but, and finally there's just so much more to this then was touched on this video didn't even get close to covering everything and it's just way too important a topic to gloss over (not just for Terry's sake but for other people who are currently going through this and sadly will be going through it in the future.
Glad this was brought up because it doesn't get enough coverage if at all but just wish it was better.
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Echo81Rumple83
my father was diagnosed with liver cancer back in 2019. since he was an alumni of UCSD and a retired government worker of NOAA/NODC, he had access to the best cancer treatment available. it was touch and go for a while, and even then, he was more or less resigned to his eventual fate. he even got himself a tombstone chalkboard from Michael's to write notes and reminders for himself when he was living in his apartment (mom had to kick him out when his personality disorder(s) were insufferable for her to deal with, but decided divorce wasn't necessary.
then he came down with NASH in the last couple of months of his life. he was a lifelong coca-cola drinker and the fatty tissues did a number on his liver, or what was left of it after his cancer treatments. he passed away in December 2021, six days in after his 78th birthday in hospice care, and we had to cancel Christmas in order to clear out his apartment filled with so much stuff (he was also a hoarder. compared to other terminal illnesses that could take months to years to finally do its awful thing, his was quick, but i could only imagine the pain he was experiencing, even with string painkillers to let him ride it out until he could pass away naturally, especially when he was losing all cognitive functions when his liver was failing. if he were living in Portland, Oregon, his home city and state, he prolly could've gotten the DWD/DNR care he needed.
and since i'm taking multiple forms of immuno-suppressants to stave off the myriad of autoimmune diseases he saddled me with genetically (he had psoriasis and rheumatism, while i have Crohn's and an unusually aggressive form of vasculitis, it's only a matter of time before i come down with whatever cancer they will give me in my 60s (i'm 40 right now, but still struggling to get my life back together with depression and anxiety, i only hope California will still have its DWD laws in tact, and i'll have the right and access to DWD care, because i do not want to lose any cognitive functions that may come with whatever form of cancer can cause it.
that scares me more than dealing with the pain.
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my father was diagnosed with liver cancer back in 2019. since he was an alumni of UCSD and a retired government worker of NOAA/NODC, he had access to the best cancer treatment available. it was touch and go for a while, and even then, he was more or less resigned to his eventual fate. he even got himself a tombstone chalkboard from Michael's to write notes and reminders for himself when he was living in his apartment (mom had to kick him out when his personality disorder(s) were insufferable for her to deal with, but decided divorce wasn't necessary.
then he came down with NASH in the last couple of months of his life. he was a lifelong coca-cola drinker and the fatty tissues did a number on his liver, or what was left of it after his cancer treatments. he passed away in December 2021, six days in after his 78th birthday in hospice care, and we had to cancel Christmas in order to clear out his apartment filled with so much stuff (he was also a hoarder. compared to other terminal illnesses that could take months to years to finally do its awful thing, his was quick, but i could only imagine the pain he was experiencing, even with string painkillers to let him ride it out until he could pass away naturally, especially when he was losing all cognitive functions when his liver was failing. if he were living in Portland, Oregon, his home city and state, he prolly could've gotten the DWD/DNR care he needed.
and since i'm taking multiple forms of immuno-suppressants to stave off the myriad of autoimmune diseases he saddled me with genetically (he had psoriasis and rheumatism, while i have Crohn's and an unusually aggressive form of vasculitis, it's only a matter of time before i come down with whatever cancer they will give me in my 60s (i'm 40 right now, but still struggling to get my life back together with depression and anxiety, i only hope California will still have its DWD laws in tact, and i'll have the right and access to DWD care, because i do not want to lose any cognitive functions that may come with whatever form of cancer can cause it.
that scares me more than dealing with the pain.
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kevinc865
What's ethical n humane vs moral n selfishness based on a scapegoat. If anyone really wants to know the actual truth about whether or not its correct to aid in assistant suicide. Just look at nature n humanity way before all the medical advancements. Death was a straight guarantee, no matter what was done or given. It was what it was, the real question that should be asked for those in that predicament since not one mortal, or organization is the actual God no matter their rank or title, they're but meger petty residue of dust particles in Deaths eye's. What does it actually mean to be humane Giving the basics of survival, obviously. And when it comes to severe irreversible pain which is better Forcing one to stay alive n endure it all for the sake of being indenial as the true reality of insignificance is shown Or hastening it too spare the suffer that is the main focus, not everyone else around it. That vessel dose not belong to them no matter how religious they are. (They always have something coming ready to smack the sense back into them, always very close to their heart if it even beats)
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What's ethical n humane vs moral n selfishness based on a scapegoat. If anyone really wants to know the actual truth about whether or not its correct to aid in assistant suicide. Just look at nature n humanity way before all the medical advancements. Death was a straight guarantee, no matter what was done or given. It was what it was, the real question that should be asked for those in that predicament since not one mortal, or organization is the actual God no matter their rank or title, they're but meger petty residue of dust particles in Deaths eye's. What does it actually mean to be humane Giving the basics of survival, obviously. And when it comes to severe irreversible pain which is better Forcing one to stay alive n endure it all for the sake of being indenial as the true reality of insignificance is shown Or hastening it too spare the suffer that is the main focus, not everyone else around it. That vessel dose not belong to them no matter how religious they are. (They always have something coming ready to smack the sense back into them, always very close to their heart if it even beats)
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TheeLadyDivine
I worked a Hospice Nurse for a few years. I had a patient who was in the last stages of terminal cancer (Multiple Myeloma. He had orders for a Fentanyl patch, oral Morphine, the works basically. With every visit I did, the effectiveness of the pain medication was waning. The last visit I did, I gave him all that I could to stop his pain. NOTHING was able to help, this poor man (who remained stoic throughout) was SCREAMING, he was in sooo much agony. Family said he was someone who avoided showing his emotions, seeing him in so much pain was incredibly distressful and frankly, traumatizing. His screams still haunt me to this day.
People should be allowed a CHOICE to die with dignity. It is horrible to subject people to such a terrible life and eventual death. It’s cruel, inhumane, and horrible. He spent the last 36 hours of his life suffering, as it was torture both for him and his loved ones.
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I worked a Hospice Nurse for a few years. I had a patient who was in the last stages of terminal cancer (Multiple Myeloma. He had orders for a Fentanyl patch, oral Morphine, the works basically. With every visit I did, the effectiveness of the pain medication was waning. The last visit I did, I gave him all that I could to stop his pain. NOTHING was able to help, this poor man (who remained stoic throughout) was SCREAMING, he was in sooo much agony. Family said he was someone who avoided showing his emotions, seeing him in so much pain was incredibly distressful and frankly, traumatizing. His screams still haunt me to this day.
People should be allowed a CHOICE to die with dignity. It is horrible to subject people to such a terrible life and eventual death. It’s cruel, inhumane, and horrible. He spent the last 36 hours of his life suffering, as it was torture both for him and his loved ones.
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peachy7690
Studied this case in neuroscience class and Terri's parents were very selfish. They said that she was still very much alive due to being responsive. However, she wasn't. She wasn't truly aware of her surroundings, and on top of that, Terri couldn't speak on her own. Part of the reason as to why Terri was kept alive so long was due to her parents. They felt that Terri's husband just wanted a pay out because he moved on after her incident and found a woman to marry and have kids with. Personally, Terri should have never been kept alive for that long. She suffered for years without improvement. Terri's husband was also not a bad man as much as her parents wanted to portray him as. He was relatively young when this happened and had planned on having kids with Terri before the accident
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Studied this case in neuroscience class and Terri's parents were very selfish. They said that she was still very much alive due to being responsive. However, she wasn't. She wasn't truly aware of her surroundings, and on top of that, Terri couldn't speak on her own. Part of the reason as to why Terri was kept alive so long was due to her parents. They felt that Terri's husband just wanted a pay out because he moved on after her incident and found a woman to marry and have kids with. Personally, Terri should have never been kept alive for that long. She suffered for years without improvement. Terri's husband was also not a bad man as much as her parents wanted to portray him as. He was relatively young when this happened and had planned on having kids with Terri before the accident
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ShinbiBelldandy
In regards to Terri Schiavo, everyone involved could have done a better job. I understand her brain function was pretty much gone, but to starve her to death was inhumane. As a 19 year old that was green in life, I was all for keeping her alive. Now, as a healthcare worker with a better understanding of death, disease & the human body. I'm all for freedom of choice as long as there's extensive documentation.
I tell all my patients what you wish is your right, but PLEASE put it in writing & make sure they're signed and/or notarized if applicable. Otherwise it will cause long legal battles like in Terri's case. I can't hate on the parents though, no one wants to bury their child & I know they were holding out hope for a miracle.
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In regards to Terri Schiavo, everyone involved could have done a better job. I understand her brain function was pretty much gone, but to starve her to death was inhumane. As a 19 year old that was green in life, I was all for keeping her alive. Now, as a healthcare worker with a better understanding of death, disease & the human body. I'm all for freedom of choice as long as there's extensive documentation.
I tell all my patients what you wish is your right, but PLEASE put it in writing & make sure they're signed and/or notarized if applicable. Otherwise it will cause long legal battles like in Terri's case. I can't hate on the parents though, no one wants to bury their child & I know they were holding out hope for a miracle.
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rebasack21
i was a kid when the Terri schiavo case took over the news. I remember the story being spun as the husband wanting to be free to be with his new girlfriend. I had no idea she had already been in that state for so long.
The thing that horrifies me still is the method of death via starvation. They didnt know til the autopsy that she wasnt there and never would be again. Why the hell did they choose one of the most painful ways to end a life when they werent even certain if she was aware
I have also helped out caring for people with dementia and if i ever started ti become like that i wouldnt want to be kept alive when everything that makes me me is my memories. Losing that and knowing its going is one of my biggest fears.
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i was a kid when the Terri schiavo case took over the news. I remember the story being spun as the husband wanting to be free to be with his new girlfriend. I had no idea she had already been in that state for so long.
The thing that horrifies me still is the method of death via starvation. They didnt know til the autopsy that she wasnt there and never would be again. Why the hell did they choose one of the most painful ways to end a life when they werent even certain if she was aware
I have also helped out caring for people with dementia and if i ever started ti become like that i wouldnt want to be kept alive when everything that makes me me is my memories. Losing that and knowing its going is one of my biggest fears.
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srw788
My mother's body was truly destroyed from a mixture of a hard upbringing and poor diet and health choices. She had cancer which, after the chemo and radiation, practically drained what little remaining life she had out of her. She had a heart attack, was stabilized at a hospital and request a DNR. She was very clear that she didn't want to continue living, being a burden to people, always being in pain.
Of course the hospital revived her TWICE in the following week. Part of me knows that for all the talk of saving lives they were just padding their bottom line. Rather easy to charge sky high rates to maintain a vegetable instead of a patient who can actually be saved and returned to a normal life.
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My mother's body was truly destroyed from a mixture of a hard upbringing and poor diet and health choices. She had cancer which, after the chemo and radiation, practically drained what little remaining life she had out of her. She had a heart attack, was stabilized at a hospital and request a DNR. She was very clear that she didn't want to continue living, being a burden to people, always being in pain.
Of course the hospital revived her TWICE in the following week. Part of me knows that for all the talk of saving lives they were just padding their bottom line. Rather easy to charge sky high rates to maintain a vegetable instead of a patient who can actually be saved and returned to a normal life.
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alijane6675
I remember this well. Terry’s parents insisted she could see, among other nonsensical claims. Her husband tried desperately to lay her to rest, as she wanted, but her parents would not let go. It was insane that a parent could overturn a spouse in a court of law. She died, they did the autopsyturns out her optical nerve had been severed. She had no vision. And no brain activity. They’d have had her suffer like that for decades. Cuz love’. Uh huh.
Canada has medically assisted dying, so I will never have to worry about something similar happening to me.
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I remember this well. Terry’s parents insisted she could see, among other nonsensical claims. Her husband tried desperately to lay her to rest, as she wanted, but her parents would not let go. It was insane that a parent could overturn a spouse in a court of law. She died, they did the autopsyturns out her optical nerve had been severed. She had no vision. And no brain activity. They’d have had her suffer like that for decades. Cuz love’. Uh huh.
Canada has medically assisted dying, so I will never have to worry about something similar happening to me.
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weird_history
My father died after two decades of fighting cancer. He was miserable. He was on the strongest painkillers I'd ever seen anyone endure and the slightest touch was still agony. He wasted away. Literally skin and bones. I watched his mind go. In the end, I was the only one he recognized. It broke my mother's heart. If there were any way to legally let him go when he decided to stop treatment, we sure as hell would have.
I'm sick now. I don't want to go the same way he did. I refuse to.
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My father died after two decades of fighting cancer. He was miserable. He was on the strongest painkillers I'd ever seen anyone endure and the slightest touch was still agony. He wasted away. Literally skin and bones. I watched his mind go. In the end, I was the only one he recognized. It broke my mother's heart. If there were any way to legally let him go when he decided to stop treatment, we sure as hell would have.
I'm sick now. I don't want to go the same way he did. I refuse to.
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jessehickman668
Religious people: it’s our right as Americans to freedom to worship who/what/where we want.
Also religious people: Hey, you can’t choose that, that’s immoral and against gods will. It needs to be illegal. But our right to tell you what’s ok, is to be enshrined in the law.
Well all jokes aside, I find meddling, self indulgent, overreaching religious people to be the truly immoral ones. The narcissistic gall involved to believe you have the right to choose for others.
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Religious people: it’s our right as Americans to freedom to worship who/what/where we want.
Also religious people: Hey, you can’t choose that, that’s immoral and against gods will. It needs to be illegal. But our right to tell you what’s ok, is to be enshrined in the law.
Well all jokes aside, I find meddling, self indulgent, overreaching religious people to be the truly immoral ones. The narcissistic gall involved to believe you have the right to choose for others.
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CristySFM1234
My mother died from cancer and nicotine poisoning (with a touch of hospital neglect) that destroyed her lungs, liver, and brain with it spreading to her bones by the time she passed, she spent the last week of her life with the mental capacity of a infant that was in constant pain regardless of how much morphine they could give her
She was going to die regardless but NH had no right to die policy so I had to watch my mother die a slow painful death
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My mother died from cancer and nicotine poisoning (with a touch of hospital neglect) that destroyed her lungs, liver, and brain with it spreading to her bones by the time she passed, she spent the last week of her life with the mental capacity of a infant that was in constant pain regardless of how much morphine they could give her
She was going to die regardless but NH had no right to die policy so I had to watch my mother die a slow painful death
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weird_history
Ultimately it was the husbands choice made complicated by the parents. What is hard to stomach is how long she survived without sustenance. I remember the case and as her mother I probably would have been like her parents. I hope I never have to make this kind of choice for anyone I love. I think every case is individual and should be left to the main care giver or family to decide what is best, but I know in my case there will be a living will.
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Ultimately it was the husbands choice made complicated by the parents. What is hard to stomach is how long she survived without sustenance. I remember the case and as her mother I probably would have been like her parents. I hope I never have to make this kind of choice for anyone I love. I think every case is individual and should be left to the main care giver or family to decide what is best, but I know in my case there will be a living will.
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nanabutner
I remember when that case was happening. It made me angry as well as extremely sad all at the same time. I remember when I started nursing school there was a concoction called Brummels cocktail cocktail that was often given to a dying patient to take home in a large bottle. Dosage was on the label, but the rest was up to the patient. It was very common in the UK but it was listed in the pharmacology books with dosages and ingredients.
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I remember when that case was happening. It made me angry as well as extremely sad all at the same time. I remember when I started nursing school there was a concoction called Brummels cocktail cocktail that was often given to a dying patient to take home in a large bottle. Dosage was on the label, but the rest was up to the patient. It was very common in the UK but it was listed in the pharmacology books with dosages and ingredients.
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rosesmith6925
I started working in the nursing home Terri was in in 2004 and heard a lot of sad stories. Her case though did make me write up living Wills for myself, husband and 2 kids (18 and 20) at the time. Her story was a tragedy. Nursing homes are where I learned there are things worse than death. There's a saying You live you die. I say You live, you die or worse, end up in a nursing home.
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I started working in the nursing home Terri was in in 2004 and heard a lot of sad stories. Her case though did make me write up living Wills for myself, husband and 2 kids (18 and 20) at the time. Her story was a tragedy. Nursing homes are where I learned there are things worse than death. There's a saying You live you die. I say You live, you die or worse, end up in a nursing home.
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taylorlibby7642
One of the overlooked truths of this whole tragedy is that those opposed to M. A. S/Death With Dignity were actually right about the slippery slope nature of the issue. If you want proof of that just look at Canada where 10, 000 died from euthanasia in 2021(somewhere around 3% of all deaths in the country) and mental illness is now considered a justifiable reason for it.
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One of the overlooked truths of this whole tragedy is that those opposed to M. A. S/Death With Dignity were actually right about the slippery slope nature of the issue. If you want proof of that just look at Canada where 10, 000 died from euthanasia in 2021(somewhere around 3% of all deaths in the country) and mental illness is now considered a justifiable reason for it.
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btetschner
I am going to watch the videos:
x Why Tragedy Is The Origin Of Many Major Laws (1st Recommendation, second times watching)
x Major Medical Discoveries That Happened by Mistake (2nd Recommendation, 3rd time watching)
x Surprising Origins of Popular Traditions
x Activities That Can Be Traced Back to Pagan Culture
x The Weirdest Small Towns In The United States
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I am going to watch the videos:
x Why Tragedy Is The Origin Of Many Major Laws (1st Recommendation, second times watching)
x Major Medical Discoveries That Happened by Mistake (2nd Recommendation, 3rd time watching)
x Surprising Origins of Popular Traditions
x Activities That Can Be Traced Back to Pagan Culture
x The Weirdest Small Towns In The United States
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lilitharam44
What bothers me more, as a healthcare worker, is when the Patient has a Living Will but the family doesn't like it so they create as many issues as possible to keep the person alive and suffering. Mainly because the family member has guilt issues for being a shitty family member for 50 years. Now they are going to make up for it by ignoring Granny's actual wishes.
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What bothers me more, as a healthcare worker, is when the Patient has a Living Will but the family doesn't like it so they create as many issues as possible to keep the person alive and suffering. Mainly because the family member has guilt issues for being a shitty family member for 50 years. Now they are going to make up for it by ignoring Granny's actual wishes.
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hylianarmy0
I was aware of the name Terri Schiavo back when the case was making national headlines, but I hadn't paid it much mind; I was young and didn't comprehend the implications behind the case. Now that I'm older, I understand the importance of the situation; everyone deserves the ability to take charge of their own life and choose to go out on their own terms.
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I was aware of the name Terri Schiavo back when the case was making national headlines, but I hadn't paid it much mind; I was young and didn't comprehend the implications behind the case. Now that I'm older, I understand the importance of the situation; everyone deserves the ability to take charge of their own life and choose to go out on their own terms.
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amada5966873
Terry schiavo did not choose to dye that way she was starved to death by her husband who was probably the one who attempted to murder her which is what put her in that state to begin with! Instead of him being charged with attemptive murder the government went ahead and let him finish murdering her and then praised him for it!
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Terry schiavo did not choose to dye that way she was starved to death by her husband who was probably the one who attempted to murder her which is what put her in that state to begin with! Instead of him being charged with attemptive murder the government went ahead and let him finish murdering her and then praised him for it!
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