What if the Ottoman Empire Never Fell?
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Date: 2022-07-15
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Sol
This guy totally ignores the US and Soviet Union during the Cold War. Its already well known that both superpowers were very anti-colonial empires. The Soviets would never accept a strong Ottoman Empire to their south and the US would never accept an Ottoman Empire that had a near monopoly on Middle Eastern oil. I predict that during the 50s and 60s the Ottoman Empire would be dismantled and ripped apart in a series of proxy wars and rebel (especially Arab) uprisings sponsored by the US and Soviets looking for influence in the region
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This guy totally ignores the US and Soviet Union during the Cold War. Its already well known that both superpowers were very anti-colonial empires. The Soviets would never accept a strong Ottoman Empire to their south and the US would never accept an Ottoman Empire that had a near monopoly on Middle Eastern oil. I predict that during the 50s and 60s the Ottoman Empire would be dismantled and ripped apart in a series of proxy wars and rebel (especially Arab) uprisings sponsored by the US and Soviets looking for influence in the region
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mara
One of the big issues I see with this alternate time line is the idea of Palestine. There was no such place in the Ottoman Empire. To allow an Arab Nationalist Group autonomy? I don't think so. Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabist/Salafists tolerated by Turks! I don't think so. And the writer of this presentation has no clue about Mizrahi or Sephardi Jews, who are the cultural majority of Israel. Why is it westerners are so obsessed with the idea that Israel is european, it isn't. It is what Turkey might have been.
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One of the big issues I see with this alternate time line is the idea of Palestine. There was no such place in the Ottoman Empire. To allow an Arab Nationalist Group autonomy? I don't think so. Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabist/Salafists tolerated by Turks! I don't think so. And the writer of this presentation has no clue about Mizrahi or Sephardi Jews, who are the cultural majority of Israel. Why is it westerners are so obsessed with the idea that Israel is european, it isn't. It is what Turkey might have been.
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Florian
exellent video.
I just did not 100% get the part on the second world war. as the Germans seeked the Oil fields arround Baku and those are now Turkish, would Germany even break the Molotov - Rippendorf Pact?
Eighter the Nazis attacked the Turks for the Oil or if the Turks (as in the video freely) sold it, the British would take measures to blockade this trade - thus any way they would be dragged in a 2nd World war.
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exellent video.
I just did not 100% get the part on the second world war. as the Germans seeked the Oil fields arround Baku and those are now Turkish, would Germany even break the Molotov - Rippendorf Pact?
Eighter the Nazis attacked the Turks for the Oil or if the Turks (as in the video freely) sold it, the British would take measures to blockade this trade - thus any way they would be dragged in a 2nd World war.
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jrcsvrvsc
In this cases, ottoman empire would still fall. The turks was a small part of the empire. And started to fall apart in the 1700's. And was never United. Arab, Kurdish, Assyria, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and others groups. That before you get to religion. The turks would have to learn to include them but can't. And not just turks first.
The turks still don't trust the kurds or any other group of people.
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In this cases, ottoman empire would still fall. The turks was a small part of the empire. And started to fall apart in the 1700's. And was never United. Arab, Kurdish, Assyria, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and others groups. That before you get to religion. The turks would have to learn to include them but can't. And not just turks first.
The turks still don't trust the kurds or any other group of people.
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arekp00
The role of oil supplier during ww2 is also interesting and both sides would try to be a friend of ottomans (germans and soviet union) and i think that there would be push from great britain or alliance in general to stop ottomans selling oil for side they would ally against. But in this setting nazi german imo would have greater chance to beat soviet union.
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The role of oil supplier during ww2 is also interesting and both sides would try to be a friend of ottomans (germans and soviet union) and i think that there would be push from great britain or alliance in general to stop ottomans selling oil for side they would ally against. But in this setting nazi german imo would have greater chance to beat soviet union.
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Yusuf
12: 10 Not all Arabs were open to nationalistic revolts. In WW1 UK tried to provoke Syrians for example, but there wasn't even the words Syria, Syrian in either Turkish or Arabic languages thus no seperate identity. In addition Arab world don't see themselves as one nation: I bet you cannot find one topic to unite Iraqi, Saudi and Egyptian all together.
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12: 10 Not all Arabs were open to nationalistic revolts. In WW1 UK tried to provoke Syrians for example, but there wasn't even the words Syria, Syrian in either Turkish or Arabic languages thus no seperate identity. In addition Arab world don't see themselves as one nation: I bet you cannot find one topic to unite Iraqi, Saudi and Egyptian all together.
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Whatifalthist
1. The Irene video will be coming out in several days. It's been a weird situation with sponsors where the videos I made are not coming out in the order I expected.
2. I accidentally made an earlier rendition of this video public before approval by my sponsors which is why people were asking why the video was privatized.
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1. The Irene video will be coming out in several days. It's been a weird situation with sponsors where the videos I made are not coming out in the order I expected.
2. I accidentally made an earlier rendition of this video public before approval by my sponsors which is why people were asking why the video was privatized.
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Ian
Sure things like al-Qaeda or ISIS wouldn't exist in this timeline, however there would most likely be resistance groups of Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Jews, Lebanese, and Assyrians against Ottoman Rule. I mean it happened in our timeline so it would continue to World War II and all the way up to today if the Otoman Empire kept going.
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Sure things like al-Qaeda or ISIS wouldn't exist in this timeline, however there would most likely be resistance groups of Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Jews, Lebanese, and Assyrians against Ottoman Rule. I mean it happened in our timeline so it would continue to World War II and all the way up to today if the Otoman Empire kept going.
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bitter
Nice to conveniently skip:
- Had the Ottoman Empire survived, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine would not have happened creating the Palestinian problem.
- America would not have created Saddam and then used him as a fake excuse to destroy Iraq.
- Libya would not have been destroyed by the West.
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Nice to conveniently skip:
- Had the Ottoman Empire survived, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine would not have happened creating the Palestinian problem.
- America would not have created Saddam and then used him as a fake excuse to destroy Iraq.
- Libya would not have been destroyed by the West.
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