Is Bureaucracy Killing Civilization
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Date: 2024-11-03
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mxvega1097
Useful essay. The Chinese bureaucratic state was significantly stranger and more singular than is described. It was not a variant of a late Roman administration, or Byzantine structure, or any other. Its longevity and curiosity is precisely due to the rites and power associated with the Emperor, Confucianism, the class/caste structure, and the connection of power to economic production and taxable rents. In short, the system had found an equilibrium by at least the Tang which was stunningly successful on own merits, and survived dynastic collapse (and the circularity of re-establishing the Mandate of Heaven, foreign rule, and endless natural disasters. It saw off a huge threat to caste structure in Zheng He's treasure fleets, which started to upend tax assumptions and tax take, and enable ghastly New Men of the trading classes to start to compete with landed wealth and access to examinations and preferment. The Ming Dynasty scholar-bureaucrats accurately foresaw that more trade, ideas, and wealth would bring something radically new to China. They didn't know at the time, but what they feared was effectively the Renaissance transition in Europe. So, by 1433, that little enterprise was crushed. The Ming also lost track of population growth. Very quickly - in about 100 years - the ratio of lowest bureaucratic presence, the country magistrate, was administering not 40, 000 people, but 100, 000 people or more. Oversight, issues management, petitions, courts, services, security, public works, sanitation, transport, and tax / grain shipments all got completely out of whack with the polity and the numbers of the governed. Administration broke down not because of over-reach or sclerosis, but because the system had been successfully self-limiting at lowest level for so long.
See Ray Huang's excellent book 1587: A Year Of No Significance.
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Useful essay. The Chinese bureaucratic state was significantly stranger and more singular than is described. It was not a variant of a late Roman administration, or Byzantine structure, or any other. Its longevity and curiosity is precisely due to the rites and power associated with the Emperor, Confucianism, the class/caste structure, and the connection of power to economic production and taxable rents. In short, the system had found an equilibrium by at least the Tang which was stunningly successful on own merits, and survived dynastic collapse (and the circularity of re-establishing the Mandate of Heaven, foreign rule, and endless natural disasters. It saw off a huge threat to caste structure in Zheng He's treasure fleets, which started to upend tax assumptions and tax take, and enable ghastly New Men of the trading classes to start to compete with landed wealth and access to examinations and preferment. The Ming Dynasty scholar-bureaucrats accurately foresaw that more trade, ideas, and wealth would bring something radically new to China. They didn't know at the time, but what they feared was effectively the Renaissance transition in Europe. So, by 1433, that little enterprise was crushed. The Ming also lost track of population growth. Very quickly - in about 100 years - the ratio of lowest bureaucratic presence, the country magistrate, was administering not 40, 000 people, but 100, 000 people or more. Oversight, issues management, petitions, courts, services, security, public works, sanitation, transport, and tax / grain shipments all got completely out of whack with the polity and the numbers of the governed. Administration broke down not because of over-reach or sclerosis, but because the system had been successfully self-limiting at lowest level for so long.
See Ray Huang's excellent book 1587: A Year Of No Significance.
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aguspuig6615
13: 20 as someone from Spain, we did seem to go downhill when we changed dynasties to the Bourbons, its been Ls ever since.
And your next phrase represents us very well. We went from what you could call divine creativity to worshipping protocol avobe all, here its all about doing things ''the proper way'' wich often means doing them by the book, no more no less, anything else is never encouraged.
Here in Spain we actually have some of the longest work days in Europe, but we are far from the most productive workers. Why Because its all about procedure, not results.
My father worked in an office for some time before i was born, computers were new but he was lucky to have had good training in mechanography (writting with a keyboard, so he could do a days work in way less time just because he could type very fast. However he was told he would lose his job if he went home before time, so he worked for an hour and had to waste the rest of the day going for a coffee and back to the chair and so on and so forth.
Nowadays, thats just your avarage job, you clock in, and then spend half the time relaxing, you get an okay amount done, and you chill. Is this because we are lazy not really, we are as good as any european at meeting our goals, its just that our goals are being the ''hardest worker'' aka spending alot of time at work, not being the mot productive.
You measure your merit by how long you worked or how hard it was, not how much you produced or the quality of it, instead of work hard or work smart its work hard or be seen as lazy
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13: 20 as someone from Spain, we did seem to go downhill when we changed dynasties to the Bourbons, its been Ls ever since.
And your next phrase represents us very well. We went from what you could call divine creativity to worshipping protocol avobe all, here its all about doing things ''the proper way'' wich often means doing them by the book, no more no less, anything else is never encouraged.
Here in Spain we actually have some of the longest work days in Europe, but we are far from the most productive workers. Why Because its all about procedure, not results.
My father worked in an office for some time before i was born, computers were new but he was lucky to have had good training in mechanography (writting with a keyboard, so he could do a days work in way less time just because he could type very fast. However he was told he would lose his job if he went home before time, so he worked for an hour and had to waste the rest of the day going for a coffee and back to the chair and so on and so forth.
Nowadays, thats just your avarage job, you clock in, and then spend half the time relaxing, you get an okay amount done, and you chill. Is this because we are lazy not really, we are as good as any european at meeting our goals, its just that our goals are being the ''hardest worker'' aka spending alot of time at work, not being the mot productive.
You measure your merit by how long you worked or how hard it was, not how much you produced or the quality of it, instead of work hard or work smart its work hard or be seen as lazy
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whatifalthist
I think China worried about how that technology could potentially change the society. A major problem with technology is it doesn't always mean your society with the new technology but the technology itself changes the society. People can look forward to the future and wonder about how the society gets built on and its beauty. Only to find the architecture far uglier as the future undervalues aesthetics so everything is ugly to keep everything cheap and efficient. Or wondering about the spiritual health only to find overly materialistic ideologies that debase people and even love to just brain chemicals.
Cars are a big example, instead of being luxuries to get around a city faster they became necessities as things build out far too much. Phones are another with bosses able to call employees whenever they want. People suffocate with authority figures able to talk them them whenever they want. People need freedom to explore and just be. Then technology could undermine things to love about a society and make certain jobs unneeded. And with the definition of bad person expanding too much to include even reasonable things it means society gets worse. People are forced to wear heavier masks and pretend to believe certain insanities to avoid losing jobs or even jail like he mentions with Britain's woke tyranny.
So technology doesn't just have one thing but a lot of negative unforeseen consequences too
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I think China worried about how that technology could potentially change the society. A major problem with technology is it doesn't always mean your society with the new technology but the technology itself changes the society. People can look forward to the future and wonder about how the society gets built on and its beauty. Only to find the architecture far uglier as the future undervalues aesthetics so everything is ugly to keep everything cheap and efficient. Or wondering about the spiritual health only to find overly materialistic ideologies that debase people and even love to just brain chemicals.
Cars are a big example, instead of being luxuries to get around a city faster they became necessities as things build out far too much. Phones are another with bosses able to call employees whenever they want. People suffocate with authority figures able to talk them them whenever they want. People need freedom to explore and just be. Then technology could undermine things to love about a society and make certain jobs unneeded. And with the definition of bad person expanding too much to include even reasonable things it means society gets worse. People are forced to wear heavier masks and pretend to believe certain insanities to avoid losing jobs or even jail like he mentions with Britain's woke tyranny.
So technology doesn't just have one thing but a lot of negative unforeseen consequences too
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Krysnha
Also now that i think about it an example, that come the other day a guy that i have to give advice for free because oyu know a conusltant, so free and only once the guy ask if i wanted to be you know pay for a profesional or an expert.
But any how, the guy has a daugther that suffer epilepsy attacks, and he has artrocis and cant take her to the only bus stop nearby so she can go to school and has no one to take her, and she cant go or be alone, for her condition, the burocracy, acuse him of not treating her well, because not take her to school, so they send an inspecction, from an ONG, not the nation, when the state send a judge to inspect, he said nothing is bad, then they call, an inspecction from the police nothing bad found, they ask to take the child to the police, for a questioning, he did nothing wrong found and again they want to take her to the place.
The child has seisures and epilepsi fist, even when she is a teenager for what i understand has the mental capacity of a small child, and othe rproblems, the situation of the father is bad and has no one around, and instead of helping the burocracy is bothering them and making things worst, and there is nothing to do as they dont push charges or legal stuff
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Also now that i think about it an example, that come the other day a guy that i have to give advice for free because oyu know a conusltant, so free and only once the guy ask if i wanted to be you know pay for a profesional or an expert.
But any how, the guy has a daugther that suffer epilepsy attacks, and he has artrocis and cant take her to the only bus stop nearby so she can go to school and has no one to take her, and she cant go or be alone, for her condition, the burocracy, acuse him of not treating her well, because not take her to school, so they send an inspecction, from an ONG, not the nation, when the state send a judge to inspect, he said nothing is bad, then they call, an inspecction from the police nothing bad found, they ask to take the child to the police, for a questioning, he did nothing wrong found and again they want to take her to the place.
The child has seisures and epilepsi fist, even when she is a teenager for what i understand has the mental capacity of a small child, and othe rproblems, the situation of the father is bad and has no one around, and instead of helping the burocracy is bothering them and making things worst, and there is nothing to do as they dont push charges or legal stuff
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CyrusBluebird
I believe it's more to do what the cultural background is of the people flocking to be part of the managerial class rather than being a role that's corrupt-able. The thing with humans is we're essentially water shore/river shore apes of an extended family style arrangement naturewise, semi aquatic as it were. Living as bees or ants is not what is good for us, actually without proper relief it'll become a huge bubble to pop. Though with US northern Adriatic culture being predominant ATM it means they're sacrificing everything for personal profit, damn everyone else, so we see betrayals because of this. This is unsustainable, as once you have enough enemies be prepared to be a target of their ire. Culture needs to be brought back into focus, because we have oh so many ways of it running properly without at each others throat about it. I come from a culture that figured out how to make socialism work to the point of exceeding several western European nations. And most of the USA will point towards the wrong country.
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I believe it's more to do what the cultural background is of the people flocking to be part of the managerial class rather than being a role that's corrupt-able. The thing with humans is we're essentially water shore/river shore apes of an extended family style arrangement naturewise, semi aquatic as it were. Living as bees or ants is not what is good for us, actually without proper relief it'll become a huge bubble to pop. Though with US northern Adriatic culture being predominant ATM it means they're sacrificing everything for personal profit, damn everyone else, so we see betrayals because of this. This is unsustainable, as once you have enough enemies be prepared to be a target of their ire. Culture needs to be brought back into focus, because we have oh so many ways of it running properly without at each others throat about it. I come from a culture that figured out how to make socialism work to the point of exceeding several western European nations. And most of the USA will point towards the wrong country.
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romanempire8370
I generally have a great amount of respect for this Man.
But there is one thing he gets wrong.
Classical liberalism is a cancer, now the first day of having cancer isn't that bad, you don't even see the difference.
But give it enough time and the gradual deterioration becomes undeniable.
Thats why someone like jordan peterson for example isnt a solution, most conservatives can only offer remission, not solution.
Fascism/Ns on the other hand, have the ability to rip that cancer out for good.
Thus continuing the whole the left are the real Ns and to put A. H. on the side of the enemy in a dichotomy based understanding of politics, isn't just foolish, it is totally ridiculous at this point.
Staying a classical liberal for the sake of consistency because it was the hip thing to do in 2016 isn't consistency, we need to evolve, we need to stay true to your goals and ideals, and not some ideological framework.
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I generally have a great amount of respect for this Man.
But there is one thing he gets wrong.
Classical liberalism is a cancer, now the first day of having cancer isn't that bad, you don't even see the difference.
But give it enough time and the gradual deterioration becomes undeniable.
Thats why someone like jordan peterson for example isnt a solution, most conservatives can only offer remission, not solution.
Fascism/Ns on the other hand, have the ability to rip that cancer out for good.
Thus continuing the whole the left are the real Ns and to put A. H. on the side of the enemy in a dichotomy based understanding of politics, isn't just foolish, it is totally ridiculous at this point.
Staying a classical liberal for the sake of consistency because it was the hip thing to do in 2016 isn't consistency, we need to evolve, we need to stay true to your goals and ideals, and not some ideological framework.
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weltonbarbosa206
Brazil and Argentina are a VERY good case study in this regard.
15 years ago, Argentina was pushing for Bureaucracy, and Brazil for Merchants.
Both come from Bureaucracy caos of the 2010s. Them 2015s, Brazil had an internal struggle with operations car wash and Bureaucracy lose power, And Argentina push more into Bureaucracy.
2020s, Argentina got so BAD that they push into merchants (hard) with Milei. While Brazil was not that bad, so they just get deep back to Bureaucracy (even putting Lula back, as US put Biden)
Now in the 2015s. Argentina is getting everything better, US is kinda in the middle, and Brazil is with a Bureaucracy so strong, that criticizes the opinions of supreme court. literally. You can get on jail or worse, to just having a opinion, censorship is a very common thing, and everything is stopping due to Bureaucracy (taxes in some cases goes above 120% in some items, like computers)
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Brazil and Argentina are a VERY good case study in this regard.
15 years ago, Argentina was pushing for Bureaucracy, and Brazil for Merchants.
Both come from Bureaucracy caos of the 2010s. Them 2015s, Brazil had an internal struggle with operations car wash and Bureaucracy lose power, And Argentina push more into Bureaucracy.
2020s, Argentina got so BAD that they push into merchants (hard) with Milei. While Brazil was not that bad, so they just get deep back to Bureaucracy (even putting Lula back, as US put Biden)
Now in the 2015s. Argentina is getting everything better, US is kinda in the middle, and Brazil is with a Bureaucracy so strong, that criticizes the opinions of supreme court. literally. You can get on jail or worse, to just having a opinion, censorship is a very common thing, and everything is stopping due to Bureaucracy (taxes in some cases goes above 120% in some items, like computers)
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himanshusinghal242
Can you make a video about two faces of the general people. Wanting the goovernment to reduc its debt but voting for the party or candidate that offers more subsidy; protesting for a better road and then protesting for deforestation for the said road; wanting domestic manufacturing rather than cheap imports but crying about high price; cursing insitutions but never mentioneing that most of the people working in the said positions are common people, crying for corruption and negligence but complainig about officers insisting on all paperwork rather than take you word for it.
I have always find it facinating that people always protest to government rather than opposing party. people can protest for a cause and also against its effect. people want services from a system and also freedom for it. make a video on this topic.
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Can you make a video about two faces of the general people. Wanting the goovernment to reduc its debt but voting for the party or candidate that offers more subsidy; protesting for a better road and then protesting for deforestation for the said road; wanting domestic manufacturing rather than cheap imports but crying about high price; cursing insitutions but never mentioneing that most of the people working in the said positions are common people, crying for corruption and negligence but complainig about officers insisting on all paperwork rather than take you word for it.
I have always find it facinating that people always protest to government rather than opposing party. people can protest for a cause and also against its effect. people want services from a system and also freedom for it. make a video on this topic.
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oboromusha80
Bureaucracies are a cornerstone of central governments with populations in the order of several millions at a time. The problem is never the symptom. It's the cause. Civilization cannot withstand high population densities in the long term and the last ditch effort to stave off the problems of such conditions is to expand bureaucracies. This will continue to be observed recurrently until humans as a species finally conclude that our communities must be small, scattered and entirely dedicated to their own affairs rather than relegate those to super-structures that will inevitably become corrupt and totalitarian. Would this throw us back to the stone ages with regards to technology, services, infrastructure Who cares Do you think all these commodities are worth sacrificing the ability to choose how to live your life
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Bureaucracies are a cornerstone of central governments with populations in the order of several millions at a time. The problem is never the symptom. It's the cause. Civilization cannot withstand high population densities in the long term and the last ditch effort to stave off the problems of such conditions is to expand bureaucracies. This will continue to be observed recurrently until humans as a species finally conclude that our communities must be small, scattered and entirely dedicated to their own affairs rather than relegate those to super-structures that will inevitably become corrupt and totalitarian. Would this throw us back to the stone ages with regards to technology, services, infrastructure Who cares Do you think all these commodities are worth sacrificing the ability to choose how to live your life
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morthim
'mandarin was the language they spoke'
sigh you get so many things identifiably wrong, it is difficult to take you seriously when you speak about topics i don't know.
cantonese was the original chinese. mandarin is a weird hybrid which accumulated tons of court lexical shift and both mongolian and tibetan influences.
'they invented the printing press'
no. sort-of but no.
what happened was that writing migrated from babylon, and ring seals, the idea was taken that of having carved ideograph words into stamps. then a beurocrat noticed that if he spent a bit of money he could make macro stamps which were the entire form. but these were manually stamped not done with a press.
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'mandarin was the language they spoke'
sigh you get so many things identifiably wrong, it is difficult to take you seriously when you speak about topics i don't know.
cantonese was the original chinese. mandarin is a weird hybrid which accumulated tons of court lexical shift and both mongolian and tibetan influences.
'they invented the printing press'
no. sort-of but no.
what happened was that writing migrated from babylon, and ring seals, the idea was taken that of having carved ideograph words into stamps. then a beurocrat noticed that if he spent a bit of money he could make macro stamps which were the entire form. but these were manually stamped not done with a press.
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handroids1981
All these are important points. Yet my mind will NOT stop thinking of the Pop Culture of the Sigma, in actuality NPC, who is somehow the Choosen One and will. Blah, blah, blah.
How often has a medium come out that depicted A maverick, who doesn't play by the rules. One man betrayed by the country he loves. Who breaks all the rules. Who was never accepted by Society, does the super cool guy things. Alone.
And Everyone you know says Yes. That is me. On their iPhone/ insta/reddit.
But if you dare order pineapple on your pizza, pour milk in your coffee first or God forbidden, drive a non normal car.
They scream like the Skesis from the Dark Crystal.
FFS.
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All these are important points. Yet my mind will NOT stop thinking of the Pop Culture of the Sigma, in actuality NPC, who is somehow the Choosen One and will. Blah, blah, blah.
How often has a medium come out that depicted A maverick, who doesn't play by the rules. One man betrayed by the country he loves. Who breaks all the rules. Who was never accepted by Society, does the super cool guy things. Alone.
And Everyone you know says Yes. That is me. On their iPhone/ insta/reddit.
But if you dare order pineapple on your pizza, pour milk in your coffee first or God forbidden, drive a non normal car.
They scream like the Skesis from the Dark Crystal.
FFS.
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bcr579
Yes. Everyone has a story about horrific bureaucratic runarounds. My dad was military, my friends are vets. I grew up seeing it, dealing with it, and more stories of asinine forms and TPS reports.
With a caveat though, you hear it often with earlier empires - The Persians, And most famously the Romans. An efficient and practical bureacracy is absolutely vital to things running tge way they should, and I dont want that to be outright dismissed.
The common thread is always not that bureacracy itself is the problem. But that when it compounds upon itself with absolutely pointless busy work it turns into a vicious cycle of waste and incompetence.
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Yes. Everyone has a story about horrific bureaucratic runarounds. My dad was military, my friends are vets. I grew up seeing it, dealing with it, and more stories of asinine forms and TPS reports.
With a caveat though, you hear it often with earlier empires - The Persians, And most famously the Romans. An efficient and practical bureacracy is absolutely vital to things running tge way they should, and I dont want that to be outright dismissed.
The common thread is always not that bureacracy itself is the problem. But that when it compounds upon itself with absolutely pointless busy work it turns into a vicious cycle of waste and incompetence.
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mikebell2112
Don't forget how all powerful and intrusive that a bureaucracy like Child Protective Services is. Amongst everything else, they can go to your child's public school and pull them out of class to be interviewed without parental consent. They keep an office at every school. And a police officer is also likely at the school during school hours. A counselor is also at school. If a child says anything concerning about their mental health, even nonviolent, they will be held at the school until the police come and the state takes them into their custody in handcuffs. From that point they can only be transported in a police car or by ambulance.
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Don't forget how all powerful and intrusive that a bureaucracy like Child Protective Services is. Amongst everything else, they can go to your child's public school and pull them out of class to be interviewed without parental consent. They keep an office at every school. And a police officer is also likely at the school during school hours. A counselor is also at school. If a child says anything concerning about their mental health, even nonviolent, they will be held at the school until the police come and the state takes them into their custody in handcuffs. From that point they can only be transported in a police car or by ambulance.
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zanebrunes45
Literally! I applied for a City Security job with a Security Clearance check more thorough than most intelligence agencies. It was all online, but the form wouldn't work even though I had up-to-date software. I printed it out, filled it out and sent it back and it was refused because they only accept the online version. Yet, they would not provide me a solution for the fact their document wouldn't work and kept sending the same document to me saying, fill it out. It was over a week of bouncing emails back and forth of me saying it won't work and them saying, do it, before I said that I was done and not going forward. Insanity.
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Literally! I applied for a City Security job with a Security Clearance check more thorough than most intelligence agencies. It was all online, but the form wouldn't work even though I had up-to-date software. I printed it out, filled it out and sent it back and it was refused because they only accept the online version. Yet, they would not provide me a solution for the fact their document wouldn't work and kept sending the same document to me saying, fill it out. It was over a week of bouncing emails back and forth of me saying it won't work and them saying, do it, before I said that I was done and not going forward. Insanity.
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whatifalthist
7: 59 not an accurate depiction of Aristotle’s systems of governance. Aristotle not only focused on what the ruling class was constituted of but also in its character I. e. who the ruling class aimed to benefit from its rule. The rule of 1 were divided into monarchy and tyranny wjth the monarch aiming to benefit the nation as a whole while a tyrant would also seek to benefit him/herself. Same is applied to the rule of the few and many with rule of the few with good character being an aristocracy and the bad being oligarchy and the rule of the many with good character being called polity and the bad being a democracy.
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7: 59 not an accurate depiction of Aristotle’s systems of governance. Aristotle not only focused on what the ruling class was constituted of but also in its character I. e. who the ruling class aimed to benefit from its rule. The rule of 1 were divided into monarchy and tyranny wjth the monarch aiming to benefit the nation as a whole while a tyrant would also seek to benefit him/herself. Same is applied to the rule of the few and many with rule of the few with good character being an aristocracy and the bad being oligarchy and the rule of the many with good character being called polity and the bad being a democracy.
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mattsullivan64
Haven’t even watched this yet I just wanna say this image was too accurate. I recently volunteered at my local fire department and live in PA which requires to go through a 4 month course. I can understand wanting a general knowledge for FF but going over how to carry tools 6 different days and taking test on honestly common sense material is where the bureaucratic bs creates a problem. I barely have time to do this, yes it’s something I want to do but it’s also the very reason why volunteer FF is dying out. Ironic image that’s all lol
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Haven’t even watched this yet I just wanna say this image was too accurate. I recently volunteered at my local fire department and live in PA which requires to go through a 4 month course. I can understand wanting a general knowledge for FF but going over how to carry tools 6 different days and taking test on honestly common sense material is where the bureaucratic bs creates a problem. I barely have time to do this, yes it’s something I want to do but it’s also the very reason why volunteer FF is dying out. Ironic image that’s all lol
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caleblee1780
Theres a few wrong assumptions.
1. The american bureaucracy is not leftist’. It’s capitalist or liberal. As in its designed to protect capitalism and property rights. A true leftist government would reject capitalism. America is structurally very capitalist.
2. The bureaucracy is designed to prevent tyrants or dictators, on the right and the left. The american bureaucracy works to keep democracy running.
If someone is working to undermine our bureaucracy is usually because they want to do something very undemocratic.
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Theres a few wrong assumptions.
1. The american bureaucracy is not leftist’. It’s capitalist or liberal. As in its designed to protect capitalism and property rights. A true leftist government would reject capitalism. America is structurally very capitalist.
2. The bureaucracy is designed to prevent tyrants or dictators, on the right and the left. The american bureaucracy works to keep democracy running.
If someone is working to undermine our bureaucracy is usually because they want to do something very undemocratic.
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stuartriddell2461
Several years ago, I got a written warning at work, what did I do
The manager's computer stopped working, he asked me to have a look at it, the PSU was most likely dead. Since it would take at least a day to get someone out, the manager drove to PC world and got a PSU, which I installed.
A few days later, I was in HR getting a warning for not following procedure. The manager was also disciplined by the area manager. Insanity.
Before anyone asks, yes I am qualified, but wasnt employed in an IT role.
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Several years ago, I got a written warning at work, what did I do
The manager's computer stopped working, he asked me to have a look at it, the PSU was most likely dead. Since it would take at least a day to get someone out, the manager drove to PC world and got a PSU, which I installed.
A few days later, I was in HR getting a warning for not following procedure. The manager was also disciplined by the area manager. Insanity.
Before anyone asks, yes I am qualified, but wasnt employed in an IT role.
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himanshusinghal242
Well you want the guarantee that system works, deal with bureaucracy.
We don't like bureaucracy as their effect is absence of many things, not presence.
Most of the process has only one of the two reason, stop people from doing it on large scale (when public do something) or appear responsible in front of public (when government does it. Reason why projects have long reports is because if they didn't, many environment experts and economic experts will jump on suggesting better alternative for each.
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Well you want the guarantee that system works, deal with bureaucracy.
We don't like bureaucracy as their effect is absence of many things, not presence.
Most of the process has only one of the two reason, stop people from doing it on large scale (when public do something) or appear responsible in front of public (when government does it. Reason why projects have long reports is because if they didn't, many environment experts and economic experts will jump on suggesting better alternative for each.
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barsozuguler4300
Probably it's the judges and policeman who suffers the most. In some countries it's almost impossible to give jail time not just because ot corruption but also bureaucracy. Because courts take years and multiple sessions even though the crime has proven and there is a ton of paperwork for attorneys to do. So they just release them to avoid all the formal headache thus they will be caught by police again over and over again with no consequences. Also it's easy to use connections if the state is corrupt enough.
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Probably it's the judges and policeman who suffers the most. In some countries it's almost impossible to give jail time not just because ot corruption but also bureaucracy. Because courts take years and multiple sessions even though the crime has proven and there is a ton of paperwork for attorneys to do. So they just release them to avoid all the formal headache thus they will be caught by police again over and over again with no consequences. Also it's easy to use connections if the state is corrupt enough.
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