ASK ADAM: Chicken vs beef stock, picky eaters, veg worth growing
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Date: 2024-11-21
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aragusea
As a picky eater the best thing for me was always respecting my no. If someone tried to pressure me into eating something, it only made me dislike the idea of it even more. If you gave me the choice to try and not be mad when I said it wasn't something I enjoyed, I was and am so much more likely to try it. Kids' birthdays were pretty exhausting as a kid. A German staple at these are cooked wiener sausages and potato salad. I absolutely hate both and parents were always like But you have to eat. No, I don't. I won't starve if I don't eat one meal and I don't like the one you are providing. Just accept my no and move on. If you have something else to offer, that's nice but way more important was for me that my no thank you was respected. Well at least it made me stand my ground from early on. One of my fourth grade teachers was worried I declined lunch every day on a week-long trip. Mind you, I was eating very well at breakfast and dinner. I just didn't like the lunch offerings. He really tried to pressure me into eating the lunch but that even made me decline the pasta with tomato sauce one day. Simply because he turned it into a power struggle and I wasn't willing to give in anymore. Great teacher otherwise but this was a fight I was willing to fight as ten year old and he didn't expect to lose that one
By the way, that's why I love buffets. No judgement, tiny portions to try and if you don't like it, you get something else.
Tl; dr: Don't turn food into a power struggle. It will not cure picky eaters. Choice and respect are the way to go.
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As a picky eater the best thing for me was always respecting my no. If someone tried to pressure me into eating something, it only made me dislike the idea of it even more. If you gave me the choice to try and not be mad when I said it wasn't something I enjoyed, I was and am so much more likely to try it. Kids' birthdays were pretty exhausting as a kid. A German staple at these are cooked wiener sausages and potato salad. I absolutely hate both and parents were always like But you have to eat. No, I don't. I won't starve if I don't eat one meal and I don't like the one you are providing. Just accept my no and move on. If you have something else to offer, that's nice but way more important was for me that my no thank you was respected. Well at least it made me stand my ground from early on. One of my fourth grade teachers was worried I declined lunch every day on a week-long trip. Mind you, I was eating very well at breakfast and dinner. I just didn't like the lunch offerings. He really tried to pressure me into eating the lunch but that even made me decline the pasta with tomato sauce one day. Simply because he turned it into a power struggle and I wasn't willing to give in anymore. Great teacher otherwise but this was a fight I was willing to fight as ten year old and he didn't expect to lose that one
By the way, that's why I love buffets. No judgement, tiny portions to try and if you don't like it, you get something else.
Tl; dr: Don't turn food into a power struggle. It will not cure picky eaters. Choice and respect are the way to go.
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mjohnsimon1337
Thanks to indoor hydroponics, I'm able to grow my own herbs and I've had great luck with peppers and cherry tomatoes. Anything else is just impossible given my current living situation since my balcony doesn't get enough sunlight due to a massive Oak tree. I even had to sell a custom aeroponic tower that I built because it simply doesn't get enough sunlight outside.
My brother on the other hand has successfully grown plenty of vegetables and fruits, but only those that are more or less suited to our part of the sub-tropical woods like passion fruit, dragon fruit, bananas, mangos, citrus, pomegranates, yucca, etc. Just like you with carrots, any other actual staple vegetables ranging from carrots, cabbage, and lettuce (especially the lettuce) just become incredibly bitter due to our hot/humid climate, and garlic/onions become too moldy or attract way too many pests to grow reliably.
Now, could you grow all of these indoors Sure. Is it worth it Not at this time, no (and I've tried. There are promising developments in the hydroponic world, but at this time, it's still just too damn expensive for the everyday man to get into.
And trust me Adam/Lauren. I'm worried about deregulations too.
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Thanks to indoor hydroponics, I'm able to grow my own herbs and I've had great luck with peppers and cherry tomatoes. Anything else is just impossible given my current living situation since my balcony doesn't get enough sunlight due to a massive Oak tree. I even had to sell a custom aeroponic tower that I built because it simply doesn't get enough sunlight outside.
My brother on the other hand has successfully grown plenty of vegetables and fruits, but only those that are more or less suited to our part of the sub-tropical woods like passion fruit, dragon fruit, bananas, mangos, citrus, pomegranates, yucca, etc. Just like you with carrots, any other actual staple vegetables ranging from carrots, cabbage, and lettuce (especially the lettuce) just become incredibly bitter due to our hot/humid climate, and garlic/onions become too moldy or attract way too many pests to grow reliably.
Now, could you grow all of these indoors Sure. Is it worth it Not at this time, no (and I've tried. There are promising developments in the hydroponic world, but at this time, it's still just too damn expensive for the everyday man to get into.
And trust me Adam/Lauren. I'm worried about deregulations too.
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glenng1555
I am really glad that Ask Adam has returned!
Regarding the song lyrics: Let me first disclaim that I didn't watch the MV because I knew I probably wouldn't like it as I am generally not a music person, so I only watched it because you mentioned it in the podcast. I do share the feeling that the lyrics are perhaps too cheesy; but I get that if your target audience are Western younger people maybe it is okay (I am only a few years younger than you so clearly not in the target age group. My take is that even only among English-speaking people, having the feeling of being born free is a privilege. We have undergone decades of democratic backsliding and 70%-ish of the world population are just. not. free. And who knows what will be happening in the US in the next few years. I hope it doesn't get too bad and the people on your side of the world still have no doubt that they have the freedom to do what they want.
Anyway, just wanna let you know that some of your old fans are still around! But I do hope you will get around to make more food science and/or food history videos down the road.
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I am really glad that Ask Adam has returned!
Regarding the song lyrics: Let me first disclaim that I didn't watch the MV because I knew I probably wouldn't like it as I am generally not a music person, so I only watched it because you mentioned it in the podcast. I do share the feeling that the lyrics are perhaps too cheesy; but I get that if your target audience are Western younger people maybe it is okay (I am only a few years younger than you so clearly not in the target age group. My take is that even only among English-speaking people, having the feeling of being born free is a privilege. We have undergone decades of democratic backsliding and 70%-ish of the world population are just. not. free. And who knows what will be happening in the US in the next few years. I hope it doesn't get too bad and the people on your side of the world still have no doubt that they have the freedom to do what they want.
Anyway, just wanna let you know that some of your old fans are still around! But I do hope you will get around to make more food science and/or food history videos down the road.
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phelanii4444
My dad once told me that, after everything he's been through in life, he has learned to simply treat food as fuel. Sure, he'll get stuff he loves occasionally and enjoy them to the fullest degree, but now that he's lost most of his teeth, he'll just take anything he can grind, boil, soak or grate, he'll eat the under-salted, over-onioned stuff my mum and gran make, and he'll eat it all.
I've been trying to take a page out of his book and I've given a lot of veggies I used to hate as a kid another go, broccoli, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, fennel, cabbage, and I've found ways to, if not entirely enjoy them, then at least stomach them so they can nourish me. It usually involves roasting or pan frying with tonnes of various spices and chilli flakes, but I eat em now and they help my body. It's part of growing up and growing old(tho the smell of cooked brassicas still makes me have an adverse reaction, so it's open windows and doors and immediate dish washing and candle burning after that lol)
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My dad once told me that, after everything he's been through in life, he has learned to simply treat food as fuel. Sure, he'll get stuff he loves occasionally and enjoy them to the fullest degree, but now that he's lost most of his teeth, he'll just take anything he can grind, boil, soak or grate, he'll eat the under-salted, over-onioned stuff my mum and gran make, and he'll eat it all.
I've been trying to take a page out of his book and I've given a lot of veggies I used to hate as a kid another go, broccoli, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, fennel, cabbage, and I've found ways to, if not entirely enjoy them, then at least stomach them so they can nourish me. It usually involves roasting or pan frying with tonnes of various spices and chilli flakes, but I eat em now and they help my body. It's part of growing up and growing old(tho the smell of cooked brassicas still makes me have an adverse reaction, so it's open windows and doors and immediate dish washing and candle burning after that lol)
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McFlingleson
So here's a silly story about parents dealing with picky eaters:
So overall I wasn't really a picky eater as a kid, but there were a handful of things I just couldn't stand, and one of them was coleslaw, which I didn't like because it had this kind of sweet flavor that in my mind didn't really mesh very well with the vegetables in it (I like coleslaw okay now. It isn't one of my favorite foods but I think it's okay, and I didn't really have the vocabulary to express this, so the phrase I came up with for why I didn't want to eat coleslaw was that it tastes funny, which I had heard adults say to express undesirability in food but didn't know what it meant, and when I said this my dad would always put on this mask of intense concern and say Really Let me see and then take a bite and start laughing and say you're right, that does taste funny.
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So here's a silly story about parents dealing with picky eaters:
So overall I wasn't really a picky eater as a kid, but there were a handful of things I just couldn't stand, and one of them was coleslaw, which I didn't like because it had this kind of sweet flavor that in my mind didn't really mesh very well with the vegetables in it (I like coleslaw okay now. It isn't one of my favorite foods but I think it's okay, and I didn't really have the vocabulary to express this, so the phrase I came up with for why I didn't want to eat coleslaw was that it tastes funny, which I had heard adults say to express undesirability in food but didn't know what it meant, and when I said this my dad would always put on this mask of intense concern and say Really Let me see and then take a bite and start laughing and say you're right, that does taste funny.
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yeroc4638
When I was around 5 to 7ish (in the mid 80s, I'd get in a battle of wills with my parents about dinner. I hated certain foods and absolutely would not eat them (it didn't help that I didn't like Step-Mom's food. This did not work with how Dad wanted me to be raised. You ate everything on your plate. If you didn't, you'd go to bed hungry. So I'd sit there, with the unwanted food sitting on my plate. My two brothers, Dad and Step-Mom would finish eating then clean up the kitchen. At that point, Dad would set a 30 minute timer on the microwave and say If you don't finish dinner by the time is up, you're going straight to bed. So I'd sit there. Staring at some cold canned peas or whatever and the timer would go off and Dad would yell and I'd go to bed. What a time to be alive.
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When I was around 5 to 7ish (in the mid 80s, I'd get in a battle of wills with my parents about dinner. I hated certain foods and absolutely would not eat them (it didn't help that I didn't like Step-Mom's food. This did not work with how Dad wanted me to be raised. You ate everything on your plate. If you didn't, you'd go to bed hungry. So I'd sit there, with the unwanted food sitting on my plate. My two brothers, Dad and Step-Mom would finish eating then clean up the kitchen. At that point, Dad would set a 30 minute timer on the microwave and say If you don't finish dinner by the time is up, you're going straight to bed. So I'd sit there. Staring at some cold canned peas or whatever and the timer would go off and Dad would yell and I'd go to bed. What a time to be alive.
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graceface418
While I agree that it is harder to get many kids to try new things due to fear, for a lot of people the problem is sensory related. As someone with sensory processing disorder, and someone who was forced to sit at the dinner table for hours & go to bed hungry, I can say that the inability to eat certain food is not a 'panic response' to something different, but a sensory issue. I physically can't swallow foods that I have aversions to because my brain relates it to a 'bad' texture or thing. Chewing lettuce reminds me of eating hair from the shower drain and I must spit it out or I will gag. There is NO logic or reasoning that can get me to swallow something my brain decided was a bad thing, no matter how hard I have tried as an adult to overcome it
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While I agree that it is harder to get many kids to try new things due to fear, for a lot of people the problem is sensory related. As someone with sensory processing disorder, and someone who was forced to sit at the dinner table for hours & go to bed hungry, I can say that the inability to eat certain food is not a 'panic response' to something different, but a sensory issue. I physically can't swallow foods that I have aversions to because my brain relates it to a 'bad' texture or thing. Chewing lettuce reminds me of eating hair from the shower drain and I must spit it out or I will gag. There is NO logic or reasoning that can get me to swallow something my brain decided was a bad thing, no matter how hard I have tried as an adult to overcome it
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joshuarosen465
I saw that same beef barley recipe also. My takeaway was to make your own beef stock which is not hard. I had half of a rib roast left which I turned into soup. I put the ribs in a pot with water, an onion, bay leafs and salt and simmered it for 24 hours, adding water as necessary. Made a nice stock. Then I browned four onions, added them to the stock with half a dozen sliced carrots, some sliced celery, cubed beef and boiled for 30 minutes. Then I added a bag of lentils because that's what I had in my cupboard. Thought the bag was barley but turned out to be lentils which worked just as well. Boiled for a further 20 minutes. That was last night's dinner, froze the rest and it will make five more meals.
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I saw that same beef barley recipe also. My takeaway was to make your own beef stock which is not hard. I had half of a rib roast left which I turned into soup. I put the ribs in a pot with water, an onion, bay leafs and salt and simmered it for 24 hours, adding water as necessary. Made a nice stock. Then I browned four onions, added them to the stock with half a dozen sliced carrots, some sliced celery, cubed beef and boiled for 30 minutes. Then I added a bag of lentils because that's what I had in my cupboard. Thought the bag was barley but turned out to be lentils which worked just as well. Boiled for a further 20 minutes. That was last night's dinner, froze the rest and it will make five more meals.
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ligius3
This sounds selfish, but it's interesting how much I am able to connect with them over these kind of videos but get completely disconnected from other kinds of videos, those which infuse an air of condescence and shilling (to me.
Reheating works for almost all foods but it is almost a science which method to choose. I would say most emulsions (like egg benedict) cannot be reheated in a pleasant way.
Regarding close-circle feedback, it always takes me back to those really awkward X Factor or whatever auditions where all their friends said it would be ok. But I guess that is just fear which needs to be avoided, it's ok to make fun of yourself, sometimes, and realize it doesn't hurt that bad.
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This sounds selfish, but it's interesting how much I am able to connect with them over these kind of videos but get completely disconnected from other kinds of videos, those which infuse an air of condescence and shilling (to me.
Reheating works for almost all foods but it is almost a science which method to choose. I would say most emulsions (like egg benedict) cannot be reheated in a pleasant way.
Regarding close-circle feedback, it always takes me back to those really awkward X Factor or whatever auditions where all their friends said it would be ok. But I guess that is just fear which needs to be avoided, it's ok to make fun of yourself, sometimes, and realize it doesn't hurt that bad.
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joaopedroleite8998
The idea that everyone should smoke weed, so they can experience how good food can taste, just so they have more empathy for people who overeat, is such a weird and roundabout way to deny that individual responsibility exists, and it is a matter of personal merit or demerit. I would guess that Adam doesn't extend this hiperempatethic everything in human behavior systemic stuff and how your reward system was wired to behaviors that he actually condemns, let's say, bigotry. Doubt that Adam would propose some experiment to a non-bigoted person so he can better understand how it is to be bigoted and ultimately be less harsh in bigotry.
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The idea that everyone should smoke weed, so they can experience how good food can taste, just so they have more empathy for people who overeat, is such a weird and roundabout way to deny that individual responsibility exists, and it is a matter of personal merit or demerit. I would guess that Adam doesn't extend this hiperempatethic everything in human behavior systemic stuff and how your reward system was wired to behaviors that he actually condemns, let's say, bigotry. Doubt that Adam would propose some experiment to a non-bigoted person so he can better understand how it is to be bigoted and ultimately be less harsh in bigotry.
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bcgm3
1: 03: 24 And live your truth! Right Like, if you believe something to be true, even if it hurts other peoples' feelings, that's awesome. Live in accordance with that truth. But maybe don't say it, unless you have a particular reason to say it, unless you think it will be constructive to say it. But if it will merely make you feel good and superior. make yourself feel tall by making someone else feel small, maybe live that truth, but don't say it. And if you still think [my lyrics are] cheesy, that's awesome.
Beautifully said. But also, a missed opportunity to say shove it up your dick hole. Great talk, Adam and Lauren.
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1: 03: 24 And live your truth! Right Like, if you believe something to be true, even if it hurts other peoples' feelings, that's awesome. Live in accordance with that truth. But maybe don't say it, unless you have a particular reason to say it, unless you think it will be constructive to say it. But if it will merely make you feel good and superior. make yourself feel tall by making someone else feel small, maybe live that truth, but don't say it. And if you still think [my lyrics are] cheesy, that's awesome.
Beautifully said. But also, a missed opportunity to say shove it up your dick hole. Great talk, Adam and Lauren.
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zawacchi
The point about experiencing how other people perceive different kinds of food or experiences through the use of enhancers really hit home with me. I've struggled with depression for the majority of my life (still do to an extent) and eating while enhanced was one of the things that really helped me feel a lot better and made me look forward to the next day. Food has always been something that I've been incredibly passionate about and it really helped me enjoy it on another level, as well as change my mind about some things I've never liked to eat in the past. I only wish it were legal where I live currently
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The point about experiencing how other people perceive different kinds of food or experiences through the use of enhancers really hit home with me. I've struggled with depression for the majority of my life (still do to an extent) and eating while enhanced was one of the things that really helped me feel a lot better and made me look forward to the next day. Food has always been something that I've been incredibly passionate about and it really helped me enjoy it on another level, as well as change my mind about some things I've never liked to eat in the past. I only wish it were legal where I live currently
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Zxcfebrar3
Not sure if this is answered later in video, and I missed the post yesterday for asking questions!
Adam, would you ever consider doing a video in Italy You mention your family heritage/lore in previous videos, and obviously Italian and Italian-American cuisine has a big influence on your cooking.
It'd be really interesting to hear your thoughts on not just food, but on family, culture, being a member of a diaspora, etc. I ask because I'm also a child of immigrants who thinks about these things quite a bit.
As always, love your videos!
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Not sure if this is answered later in video, and I missed the post yesterday for asking questions!
Adam, would you ever consider doing a video in Italy You mention your family heritage/lore in previous videos, and obviously Italian and Italian-American cuisine has a big influence on your cooking.
It'd be really interesting to hear your thoughts on not just food, but on family, culture, being a member of a diaspora, etc. I ask because I'm also a child of immigrants who thinks about these things quite a bit.
As always, love your videos!
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ZCSilver
About the burger thing. Maybe my family has basic tastes, but restaurant burgers aren't better than what we make at home (the exception is burgers with fancy sauces or strange ingredients that we mostly order for the novelty rather than the taste) and we don't work very hard for them. We just buy these bags from Sam's Club of 85% pre-made burgers and grill them and slap a slice of kraft's american cheese on top. Maybe its the bun that's the big difference, we buy these big packs from Costco's of large hamburger buns with sesame seeds on them.
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About the burger thing. Maybe my family has basic tastes, but restaurant burgers aren't better than what we make at home (the exception is burgers with fancy sauces or strange ingredients that we mostly order for the novelty rather than the taste) and we don't work very hard for them. We just buy these bags from Sam's Club of 85% pre-made burgers and grill them and slap a slice of kraft's american cheese on top. Maybe its the bun that's the big difference, we buy these big packs from Costco's of large hamburger buns with sesame seeds on them.
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MayankJairaj
Around the 40 minutes mark where they are talking about picky eating,
i was labelled that for a decade, every1 outside of parents would force me to consume milk products.
The family had decided i was very picky and needed to tough it out. All that while i had lactose intolerance which in a country like India (highest milk consumption in the world) is death. I would drink milk in the morning, puke it out when i reach the school and continue with my day, this went on till some teacher finally told my parents to stop this torture
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Around the 40 minutes mark where they are talking about picky eating,
i was labelled that for a decade, every1 outside of parents would force me to consume milk products.
The family had decided i was very picky and needed to tough it out. All that while i had lactose intolerance which in a country like India (highest milk consumption in the world) is death. I would drink milk in the morning, puke it out when i reach the school and continue with my day, this went on till some teacher finally told my parents to stop this torture
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rhonda4107
The comment at 50: 11 about locking up the food in a safe brought flashbacks of my dad putting a literal chain and padlock on the fridge when the doctor said my sister was overweight and needed to go on a diet. Same doctor always brought up my sister’s weight at every appointment until she finally stopped going to him in her late 20’s.
Now I’m working through my own issues around food so I can model a healthier relationship with food. And encouraging her (so far unsuccessfully) to see a therapist.
Fun times. /s
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The comment at 50: 11 about locking up the food in a safe brought flashbacks of my dad putting a literal chain and padlock on the fridge when the doctor said my sister was overweight and needed to go on a diet. Same doctor always brought up my sister’s weight at every appointment until she finally stopped going to him in her late 20’s.
Now I’m working through my own issues around food so I can model a healthier relationship with food. And encouraging her (so far unsuccessfully) to see a therapist.
Fun times. /s
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Netist_
I generally agree that growing your own produce isn't going to give you anything better than the grocery store. There are some exceptions, though. Like Adam said, home-grown tomatoes are undeniably so much better than most tomatoes you'll get at the store. Peppers are another example, if you're into that sort of thing. There's so many varieties that you'll never find at a grocery store, and they're all distinct in flavor. You usually don't need many, either, so one or two pepper plants will give you a lot of yield.
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I generally agree that growing your own produce isn't going to give you anything better than the grocery store. There are some exceptions, though. Like Adam said, home-grown tomatoes are undeniably so much better than most tomatoes you'll get at the store. Peppers are another example, if you're into that sort of thing. There's so many varieties that you'll never find at a grocery store, and they're all distinct in flavor. You usually don't need many, either, so one or two pepper plants will give you a lot of yield.
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Krossfyre
Speaking about protein, a lot of people already consume more than needed. On average in the US, people eat 80 grams of protein a day. If you're not very active, that's more than you need. If you weigh around 90 kg (200 lb) you only need like 71 grams a day. If you are very active you might need as high as 130-180 grams a day (athletes might need higher, but consult a doctor. I see a lot of people supplementing with protein powders, but they should seriously evaluate how much protein they're already eating first.
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Speaking about protein, a lot of people already consume more than needed. On average in the US, people eat 80 grams of protein a day. If you're not very active, that's more than you need. If you weigh around 90 kg (200 lb) you only need like 71 grams a day. If you are very active you might need as high as 130-180 grams a day (athletes might need higher, but consult a doctor. I see a lot of people supplementing with protein powders, but they should seriously evaluate how much protein they're already eating first.
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fluffiestsugar
You might not read this since you just mentioned not going through comments much, but I just wanted to say, I only found you right at the moment that you went into your pseudo retirement, but you seem like a delightful person and it's been fun watching you explore making different content and just sharing your thoughts on things. And heck, there's been a lot of helpful stuff too, like how to raise a picky eater without giving them a complex. So thank you, and keep up the great work.
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You might not read this since you just mentioned not going through comments much, but I just wanted to say, I only found you right at the moment that you went into your pseudo retirement, but you seem like a delightful person and it's been fun watching you explore making different content and just sharing your thoughts on things. And heck, there's been a lot of helpful stuff too, like how to raise a picky eater without giving them a complex. So thank you, and keep up the great work.
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19DannyBoy65
37: 20 In my humble opinion, you can achieve a pleasant and reasonably quick reheated steak by slicing up your leftover steak into thin-ish slices (about the same way as you would slice a fresh steak just to eat it, maybe throw on some fresh seasoning to get the newly exposed cut parts seasoned and then throw them in a hot oiled pan for like 30-60 seconds per newly cut side, or just enough to get a bit of a sear on the newly exposed parts without cooking through the slices.
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37: 20 In my humble opinion, you can achieve a pleasant and reasonably quick reheated steak by slicing up your leftover steak into thin-ish slices (about the same way as you would slice a fresh steak just to eat it, maybe throw on some fresh seasoning to get the newly exposed cut parts seasoned and then throw them in a hot oiled pan for like 30-60 seconds per newly cut side, or just enough to get a bit of a sear on the newly exposed parts without cooking through the slices.
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