The worry about black food plastics
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Date: 2024-11-30
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ZenithWest169
I still love the college chemistry students prank on a town where they convinced their local city government to ban this dangerous chemical: DHMO (or dihydrogen monoxide)
Listed below are just a few small dangers associated with the terrible DHMO chemical:
) Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
) Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
) Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
) DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
) Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
) Contributes to soil erosion.
) Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
) Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
) Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
) Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
) Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
) Often associated with killer cyclones in the U. S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U. S.
) Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.
If you feel concerned about this chemical, then you have absolutely no clue how to process basic scientific information and PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND JUST WAIT FOR THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION.
Because DHMO (dihydrogen monoxide) is just plain old water! Yes the gaseous form can cause burns! Its called steam and its very hot when water boils. There are so many frightening things you can say, but unless you understand on a deeper level, its really meaningless to you. For example, Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities. Yes thats called drowning. When you breathe (inhale) water into your lungs. And you can die with as little as a teaspoon being inhaled. But most people's cough reflex can cough that little back up easily. But if your overdosed or its not working probably with you being unconscious, yes. A teaspoon!
EDIT: someone more intelligent than the city council was informed what they effective did (ban water) and it was stopped before it went into effect.
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I still love the college chemistry students prank on a town where they convinced their local city government to ban this dangerous chemical: DHMO (or dihydrogen monoxide)
Listed below are just a few small dangers associated with the terrible DHMO chemical:
) Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
) Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
) Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
) DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
) Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
) Contributes to soil erosion.
) Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
) Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
) Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
) Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
) Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
) Often associated with killer cyclones in the U. S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U. S.
) Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.
If you feel concerned about this chemical, then you have absolutely no clue how to process basic scientific information and PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND JUST WAIT FOR THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION.
Because DHMO (dihydrogen monoxide) is just plain old water! Yes the gaseous form can cause burns! Its called steam and its very hot when water boils. There are so many frightening things you can say, but unless you understand on a deeper level, its really meaningless to you. For example, Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities. Yes thats called drowning. When you breathe (inhale) water into your lungs. And you can die with as little as a teaspoon being inhaled. But most people's cough reflex can cough that little back up easily. But if your overdosed or its not working probably with you being unconscious, yes. A teaspoon!
EDIT: someone more intelligent than the city council was informed what they effective did (ban water) and it was stopped before it went into effect.
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MissMeganBeckett
This might be why my municipal recycling program stopped taking black plastics recently, I guess nobody is buying the recycled black plastic anymore because of this and it’s so difficult to sort anyways that it’s not worth it to them at the municipal recycling facility to process it into new recycled plastic pellets. This also might be why the containers in the microwave dinners I’ve eaten lately have been made from with clear or white translucent plastics. I guess it’s good that the food makers are following the recycling plant’s lead for what to make the food containers out of so that they keep being able to be fully recyclable even if the recycling guidelines are changing a bit, I’ve also noticed a change in the fast food packaging lately that increases the amount of compostable packaging in everything and is phasing out more of the plastics which is good I think because the food containers are usually pretty greasy which is bad for recycling since the plastics and paper recycling needs to be clean to be recycled properly but all that grease and various food residues doesn’t effect if something can be composted especially in municipal composting programs and that reduces the amount of sorting the average person needs to do to get everything into the proper bin so it’s less likely that everything ends up in the garage if everything in the bag can just be tossed in the green bin and it would probably cause a bad smell in the garage anyways so than it’s way more likely that people are going to actually dispose of their waste packaging in the proper receptacle.
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This might be why my municipal recycling program stopped taking black plastics recently, I guess nobody is buying the recycled black plastic anymore because of this and it’s so difficult to sort anyways that it’s not worth it to them at the municipal recycling facility to process it into new recycled plastic pellets. This also might be why the containers in the microwave dinners I’ve eaten lately have been made from with clear or white translucent plastics. I guess it’s good that the food makers are following the recycling plant’s lead for what to make the food containers out of so that they keep being able to be fully recyclable even if the recycling guidelines are changing a bit, I’ve also noticed a change in the fast food packaging lately that increases the amount of compostable packaging in everything and is phasing out more of the plastics which is good I think because the food containers are usually pretty greasy which is bad for recycling since the plastics and paper recycling needs to be clean to be recycled properly but all that grease and various food residues doesn’t effect if something can be composted especially in municipal composting programs and that reduces the amount of sorting the average person needs to do to get everything into the proper bin so it’s less likely that everything ends up in the garage if everything in the bag can just be tossed in the green bin and it would probably cause a bad smell in the garage anyways so than it’s way more likely that people are going to actually dispose of their waste packaging in the proper receptacle.
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Theorimlig
I think the argument about being a full participant in society and accepting certain risks lets companies off the hook. Some are creating potentially harmful products for financial reasons, and don't care to make sure that their products can be deemed safe before selling them. Is there really any real choice to be made by you or me, except not buying any products with black plastic (including electronics) at all The average person cannot be expected to know, understand and research every chemical in every product we come into contact with. To be fair, neither can most companies that just buy X amount of a component or material for use in their products. But the chemical companies designing and selling these materials should.
There's a huge information imbalance in every sector of the economy where people assume that laws and regulations are put in place to keep us safe, at least broadly speaking. It's hard to see how this is ever going to get solved, so government regulations probably need to be tougher on suspected health risk inducing chemicals to keep them out of circulation completely. Flame retardants are definitely a tough nut to crack though, you probably can't just ban them. You could conceivably build electronics out of metal or other materials instead, but that seems unlikely to happen.
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I think the argument about being a full participant in society and accepting certain risks lets companies off the hook. Some are creating potentially harmful products for financial reasons, and don't care to make sure that their products can be deemed safe before selling them. Is there really any real choice to be made by you or me, except not buying any products with black plastic (including electronics) at all The average person cannot be expected to know, understand and research every chemical in every product we come into contact with. To be fair, neither can most companies that just buy X amount of a component or material for use in their products. But the chemical companies designing and selling these materials should.
There's a huge information imbalance in every sector of the economy where people assume that laws and regulations are put in place to keep us safe, at least broadly speaking. It's hard to see how this is ever going to get solved, so government regulations probably need to be tougher on suspected health risk inducing chemicals to keep them out of circulation completely. Flame retardants are definitely a tough nut to crack though, you probably can't just ban them. You could conceivably build electronics out of metal or other materials instead, but that seems unlikely to happen.
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wmd40
toxins and pharmacologically active substances of all kinds add toxic effect to each other. exponentially increasing the likelihood of real harm. they work synergistically and become even worse. these compounds also constantly are combining with everything in the environment and becoming new compounds we have no idea what's even being made. things like phosgene can be created from Teflon precursors breaking down in the environment for example. these chemicals are valuable because they are so reactive and all come from practically 2 sources. fracking for natural gases and petroleum. we are not being protected from fire. we are being sold byproducts and waste which has been concentrated over time. seriously. that's the grift. these massive industries are making money off of every aspect of their product. even the most toxic trash. and the company that owns the patent for PFAS has blocked a true analytical standard for use in the lab worldwide from being made. seriously. it's scary.
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toxins and pharmacologically active substances of all kinds add toxic effect to each other. exponentially increasing the likelihood of real harm. they work synergistically and become even worse. these compounds also constantly are combining with everything in the environment and becoming new compounds we have no idea what's even being made. things like phosgene can be created from Teflon precursors breaking down in the environment for example. these chemicals are valuable because they are so reactive and all come from practically 2 sources. fracking for natural gases and petroleum. we are not being protected from fire. we are being sold byproducts and waste which has been concentrated over time. seriously. that's the grift. these massive industries are making money off of every aspect of their product. even the most toxic trash. and the company that owns the patent for PFAS has blocked a true analytical standard for use in the lab worldwide from being made. seriously. it's scary.
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pranjal86able
Brief summary:
Concerns: Black plastics, common in food utensils and packaging, may contain harmful flame retardants linked to health risks (e. g, cancer, neurotoxicity.
Source: Often made from recycled electronics; black dye (carbon black) masks infrared, complicating recycling.
Key Issue: Heat and solvents release these chemicals into food, especially in cooking utensils and food trays.
Study Findings: Black plastic spoon use could lead to exposure nearing but likely below regulatory thresholds; a calculation error in the study possibly overstated risks.
Environmental Note: Disposal challenges; black plastics often end up in landfills due to recycling inefficiencies.
Practical Advice: Avoid black plastic when possible but avoid panic; prioritize reducing waste and replacing items responsibly.
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Brief summary:
Concerns: Black plastics, common in food utensils and packaging, may contain harmful flame retardants linked to health risks (e. g, cancer, neurotoxicity.
Source: Often made from recycled electronics; black dye (carbon black) masks infrared, complicating recycling.
Key Issue: Heat and solvents release these chemicals into food, especially in cooking utensils and food trays.
Study Findings: Black plastic spoon use could lead to exposure nearing but likely below regulatory thresholds; a calculation error in the study possibly overstated risks.
Environmental Note: Disposal challenges; black plastics often end up in landfills due to recycling inefficiencies.
Practical Advice: Avoid black plastic when possible but avoid panic; prioritize reducing waste and replacing items responsibly.
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rogink
Hmm. I'm sceptical about the claim electronics are easily recycled in Europe. True, many countries are very good with the basic stuff like plastics and glass - in northern Europe they have deposit schemes for bottles. OK, most people take the 10c hit but Germans will leave their empty beer bottles outside so the down and outs will pick them up. And take them back to the supermarket for a refund.
Households get different bins for glass, paper, plastic. I've travelled a bit around Europe and I can't think of anywhere I've seen for electrical recycling. Here in the UK larger stores might have bins for batteries. Actually, my local area is pretty good - as long as the electrical item fits in a carrier bag, you can leave it out with the recycling for the binmen to pick up.
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Hmm. I'm sceptical about the claim electronics are easily recycled in Europe. True, many countries are very good with the basic stuff like plastics and glass - in northern Europe they have deposit schemes for bottles. OK, most people take the 10c hit but Germans will leave their empty beer bottles outside so the down and outs will pick them up. And take them back to the supermarket for a refund.
Households get different bins for glass, paper, plastic. I've travelled a bit around Europe and I can't think of anywhere I've seen for electrical recycling. Here in the UK larger stores might have bins for batteries. Actually, my local area is pretty good - as long as the electrical item fits in a carrier bag, you can leave it out with the recycling for the binmen to pick up.
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BatCaveOz
We used to be afraid of DDT. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of nuclear bombs. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of of communists. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of immigration. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of nuclear power. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of overpopulation. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of acid rain. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of global cooling. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of the hole in the ozone layer. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of GM food. but everything was OK.
Now we are afraid of black plastic.
Trust me. everything will be fine.
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We used to be afraid of DDT. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of nuclear bombs. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of of communists. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of immigration. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of nuclear power. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of overpopulation. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of acid rain. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of global cooling. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of the hole in the ozone layer. but everything was OK.
We used to be afraid of GM food. but everything was OK.
Now we are afraid of black plastic.
Trust me. everything will be fine.
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Dzindzer
Hey Adam the Gruns sponsorship got me thinking about vitamins again. Since you said they are full of vitamins we arw generally lacking, but I never once read which vitamins are in my vitamin gummies. What's the scientific consensus on taking excess vitamins. Or taking random vitamins as a supplement without doing tests to see which ones you actually need. Is there any harm in taking vitamins you already have enough of in your system I know you get rid of excess vitamin C in your urine, but what about the other ones.
I thought this might be an interesting topic for you to cover, thank you if you take an interest in it, I'm gonna go do some research now.
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Hey Adam the Gruns sponsorship got me thinking about vitamins again. Since you said they are full of vitamins we arw generally lacking, but I never once read which vitamins are in my vitamin gummies. What's the scientific consensus on taking excess vitamins. Or taking random vitamins as a supplement without doing tests to see which ones you actually need. Is there any harm in taking vitamins you already have enough of in your system I know you get rid of excess vitamin C in your urine, but what about the other ones.
I thought this might be an interesting topic for you to cover, thank you if you take an interest in it, I'm gonna go do some research now.
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jeil5676
Unless your clothes are always wrinkly, you are likely wearing a lot of synthetic fibers, all the time, every day. These fibers break apart and come off in the form of dust, like the lint in your washer dryer. Every breath you take you are inhaling this dust directly from your clothing or indirectly from latent dust floating around your environment. This mostly gets trapped in your mucus membrane, much of which drains into your stomach. We are literally eating our clothing every day. I would guess most of it passes right through us but you have to assume there is some amount of contamination.
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Unless your clothes are always wrinkly, you are likely wearing a lot of synthetic fibers, all the time, every day. These fibers break apart and come off in the form of dust, like the lint in your washer dryer. Every breath you take you are inhaling this dust directly from your clothing or indirectly from latent dust floating around your environment. This mostly gets trapped in your mucus membrane, much of which drains into your stomach. We are literally eating our clothing every day. I would guess most of it passes right through us but you have to assume there is some amount of contamination.
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pizzarune5
14: 56 Actually, one of the ways in which we manage hazardous waste is by simply putting it in a landfill and never touching it ever again. For Superfund remediation in the US, capping a project (depending on the site's characteristics, like how & where the groundwater is going, what contamination is in the site itself, will the site be disturbed, etc) is a common practice, because it traps the harm and it can't get out to hurt people or the environment. Throwing plastic out, into a properly managed municipal landfill, will protect both you and the environment.
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14: 56 Actually, one of the ways in which we manage hazardous waste is by simply putting it in a landfill and never touching it ever again. For Superfund remediation in the US, capping a project (depending on the site's characteristics, like how & where the groundwater is going, what contamination is in the site itself, will the site be disturbed, etc) is a common practice, because it traps the harm and it can't get out to hurt people or the environment. Throwing plastic out, into a properly managed municipal landfill, will protect both you and the environment.
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WhichDoctor1
Here in the UK there was stuff in the news a few years ago about black plastic disposable food containers not being recyclable. And now pretty much all the hard food packaging that isn’t transparent is a dark green or brown colour. I haven’t seen a black plastic food dish in ages. But I do have a set of cheap black plastic spatulas and ladles, some of them have gotten a little melted over the years. I’m definitely giving the side eye now. Going to look for replacement when I can get out to a shop. I already have debilitating chronic health problems.
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Here in the UK there was stuff in the news a few years ago about black plastic disposable food containers not being recyclable. And now pretty much all the hard food packaging that isn’t transparent is a dark green or brown colour. I haven’t seen a black plastic food dish in ages. But I do have a set of cheap black plastic spatulas and ladles, some of them have gotten a little melted over the years. I’m definitely giving the side eye now. Going to look for replacement when I can get out to a shop. I already have debilitating chronic health problems.
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Not_Ciel
2: 18 as a controls and instrumentation technician, I can tell you that there are more ways to tell if a material is plastic or not than an infrared photoeye. We also have sensors in the industry that can tell what material it’s reading by how well it holds a capacitive charge when going by this sensor. They’re called capacitive sensors and they’re commonly used when you need to know you’re looking at a specific material, I. e. you need to know plastic is passing by the sensor and not something like wood.
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2: 18 as a controls and instrumentation technician, I can tell you that there are more ways to tell if a material is plastic or not than an infrared photoeye. We also have sensors in the industry that can tell what material it’s reading by how well it holds a capacitive charge when going by this sensor. They’re called capacitive sensors and they’re commonly used when you need to know you’re looking at a specific material, I. e. you need to know plastic is passing by the sensor and not something like wood.
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aragusea
We should generally make an exercise of not freaking out about things, no matter what they are, for one simple reason: it doesn't help the slightest. Not the people doing so, nor the people around them having to bear it. Not even talking about actual problem solving.
Hysteria has become the cool thing to do with the TikTok generation, it seems.
(That's just about 1, 5 generations after me, in case you wonder)
We need our cool, stoic heroes back who flinch at nothing and keep calm in the face of danger.
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We should generally make an exercise of not freaking out about things, no matter what they are, for one simple reason: it doesn't help the slightest. Not the people doing so, nor the people around them having to bear it. Not even talking about actual problem solving.
Hysteria has become the cool thing to do with the TikTok generation, it seems.
(That's just about 1, 5 generations after me, in case you wonder)
We need our cool, stoic heroes back who flinch at nothing and keep calm in the face of danger.
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petterbossum4716
You say that the machine work by sending IR light through the object, and then that the problem is that the plastic is not reflective. These two things does not really make sense together, if the machine works by the transmitted light through the material, then it is the opacity of the material that is the issue (we cant see through it) not how reflective it is (how good of a mirror it is.
If the machine works the way stated, then a mirror finish would be problematic, not helpful.
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You say that the machine work by sending IR light through the object, and then that the problem is that the plastic is not reflective. These two things does not really make sense together, if the machine works by the transmitted light through the material, then it is the opacity of the material that is the issue (we cant see through it) not how reflective it is (how good of a mirror it is.
If the machine works the way stated, then a mirror finish would be problematic, not helpful.
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KRich408
I guess I'm screwed because I have lots of tattoos that contain Carbon Black. Nothing bad happened yet they are from the 90s i can say when I've had a MRI or CAT scan the Tats get got from the ultra power magnet radiation Feels like the sun is baking them. The technicians always knew I had them and they are professional tats. Oh well nothing I can do now. What is worse eating off plastic with carbon black or having ink with carbon black embedded deep into the skin
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I guess I'm screwed because I have lots of tattoos that contain Carbon Black. Nothing bad happened yet they are from the 90s i can say when I've had a MRI or CAT scan the Tats get got from the ultra power magnet radiation Feels like the sun is baking them. The technicians always knew I had them and they are professional tats. Oh well nothing I can do now. What is worse eating off plastic with carbon black or having ink with carbon black embedded deep into the skin
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Vegemeister1
1. Is it just me or is using recycled plastic for food contact beyond insane The only recycled plastic that belongs in a food container is from the waste stream of that very same manufacturing plant. Duck squeezers would be better off sticking to washable metal/glass/ceramic.
2. The reason to protect the planet is the 7 billion yous who live on it. The inside of the human body is the most important environment to protect!
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1. Is it just me or is using recycled plastic for food contact beyond insane The only recycled plastic that belongs in a food container is from the waste stream of that very same manufacturing plant. Duck squeezers would be better off sticking to washable metal/glass/ceramic.
2. The reason to protect the planet is the 7 billion yous who live on it. The inside of the human body is the most important environment to protect!
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daemn42
Almost all practical environmentalism is about protecting humans' place on earth, not earth itself. Earth doesn't really care if we're here or not or if it's covered in microplastic. It will continue blithely on periodically creating and destroying the conditions that support life, whether we're here or not. And that's not to advocate doing nothing, but it's an easier sell if you put it as a selfish decision to save ourselves.
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Almost all practical environmentalism is about protecting humans' place on earth, not earth itself. Earth doesn't really care if we're here or not or if it's covered in microplastic. It will continue blithely on periodically creating and destroying the conditions that support life, whether we're here or not. And that's not to advocate doing nothing, but it's an easier sell if you put it as a selfish decision to save ourselves.
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saraht3196
we can only give the eu a little bit of credit. yes the messaging is clearer, but they've come under fire for dumping a lot of old electronics in african countries rather than actually processing them. as for this research, dupont already made the pfas covered bed we've been laying in for forty years, so i can't bring myself to care about microplastics for me personally. however i'm glad people are finally looking into this.
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we can only give the eu a little bit of credit. yes the messaging is clearer, but they've come under fire for dumping a lot of old electronics in african countries rather than actually processing them. as for this research, dupont already made the pfas covered bed we've been laying in for forty years, so i can't bring myself to care about microplastics for me personally. however i'm glad people are finally looking into this.
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BellePullman
I have noticed in the past 5 years or so, here in the UK all the black plastic packaging has been gradually changing colour. a lot more transparent plastic which we're reassured is the most recyclable, but ready-meal dishes have gone from black, to an unattractive Already been recycled multiple times shade of greige, to now being a fake terracotta for your fake italian microwave meal!
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I have noticed in the past 5 years or so, here in the UK all the black plastic packaging has been gradually changing colour. a lot more transparent plastic which we're reassured is the most recyclable, but ready-meal dishes have gone from black, to an unattractive Already been recycled multiple times shade of greige, to now being a fake terracotta for your fake italian microwave meal!
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ThePentosin
I can taste black plastic. That took some years to find out. Sometimes the food was fine, sometimes it was unedible. The food was fine for others. I tried to eliminate and change so many ingredients before I figured out it was heating up black plastic.
I don't use black plastic anymore. I try to use wood and metal as much as I can.
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I can taste black plastic. That took some years to find out. Sometimes the food was fine, sometimes it was unedible. The food was fine for others. I tried to eliminate and change so many ingredients before I figured out it was heating up black plastic.
I don't use black plastic anymore. I try to use wood and metal as much as I can.
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