Gaslighting GPU Buyers: NVIDIA RTX 3070 Ti Review & Benchmarks
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ex: 6700xt being sold from AIB at 800 and 900 + dollars
Date: 2021-06-09
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Liviu
I personally get it: the new graphic cards are a lot better than the ones in the last generation, so the demand got higher; of course, the global frenzy for napkins and alcohol and utter useless medicine, plus the human race caging itself against a virus that manifests itself 50% like the common flu and 50% measles ( I had a hardcore version of it, I had measles 3 times during primary school, so I know what is what), all of this made people think they need new (as in more powerful) hardware and they just went nuts about it. Therefor prices for second retailing (you can't perceive those GPUs as used or second hand) went off the charts, like for instance, exotic cars (when the Ferrari Enzo launched it cost around 700.000 , now it's worth gazillions). Stop despairing for 10-12 FPS higher gaming and make due with what you have, folks, stop drooling after 4K gaming (1440p seems totally acceptable to me, and I have used PCs since 1997), turn off motion blur (it is absolute junk on performance and as eye candy) and save your money for when the mining craze goes under and you'll start seeing GPUs sold for less than half their original prices.
As for those NVidia launches, no one can tell them what to do, they are a private corporation and they do as the shareholders approve, so stop whining about it and try to see the positive side of it: more cards will be available in the future!
Peace my friends and stay strong.
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I personally get it: the new graphic cards are a lot better than the ones in the last generation, so the demand got higher; of course, the global frenzy for napkins and alcohol and utter useless medicine, plus the human race caging itself against a virus that manifests itself 50% like the common flu and 50% measles ( I had a hardcore version of it, I had measles 3 times during primary school, so I know what is what), all of this made people think they need new (as in more powerful) hardware and they just went nuts about it. Therefor prices for second retailing (you can't perceive those GPUs as used or second hand) went off the charts, like for instance, exotic cars (when the Ferrari Enzo launched it cost around 700.000 , now it's worth gazillions). Stop despairing for 10-12 FPS higher gaming and make due with what you have, folks, stop drooling after 4K gaming (1440p seems totally acceptable to me, and I have used PCs since 1997), turn off motion blur (it is absolute junk on performance and as eye candy) and save your money for when the mining craze goes under and you'll start seeing GPUs sold for less than half their original prices.
As for those NVidia launches, no one can tell them what to do, they are a private corporation and they do as the shareholders approve, so stop whining about it and try to see the positive side of it: more cards will be available in the future!
Peace my friends and stay strong.
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MattMexor2
NVIDIA buys wafers. The supply is in terms of wafers. Binning doesn't dilute supply . Coming out with a SKU that is a higher binned part of an already existing SKU does not effect the total supply, it just makes more (computationally, economically) efficient use of the supply that is available. there are still 100 GPUs available no matter if those 100 GPUs consist of 100 3070s or 70 3070s and 30 3070Tis.
The product is not meant to help the situation any more than it's meant to bring about world peace . It just targets end user markets in whatever the situation happens to be. It's good for NVIDIA and it's good for the people who are looking for a card faster than the 3070 but slower than the 3080. Yes, if NVIDIA decided to give away free performance by down-SKUing dies that could reach better performance then there would be a larger volume of cards available to people who want 3070 performance but not 3070 Ti performance. But in actuality that would mean lower margins for NVIDIA and would apply pressure on NVIDIA to raise prices on all 3070s to compensate.
Stop being an entitled whiner and instead learn some economics.
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NVIDIA buys wafers. The supply is in terms of wafers. Binning doesn't dilute supply . Coming out with a SKU that is a higher binned part of an already existing SKU does not effect the total supply, it just makes more (computationally, economically) efficient use of the supply that is available. there are still 100 GPUs available no matter if those 100 GPUs consist of 100 3070s or 70 3070s and 30 3070Tis.
The product is not meant to help the situation any more than it's meant to bring about world peace . It just targets end user markets in whatever the situation happens to be. It's good for NVIDIA and it's good for the people who are looking for a card faster than the 3070 but slower than the 3080. Yes, if NVIDIA decided to give away free performance by down-SKUing dies that could reach better performance then there would be a larger volume of cards available to people who want 3070 performance but not 3070 Ti performance. But in actuality that would mean lower margins for NVIDIA and would apply pressure on NVIDIA to raise prices on all 3070s to compensate.
Stop being an entitled whiner and instead learn some economics.
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tarfeef
Sorry, but no, the MSRP doesn't actually really impact the secondary market. As Linus said, it's really about performance. That's why the RDNA2 GPUs are cheaper than Nvidia GPUs, even with gaming performance that'd indicate they shouldn't be. Nothing to do with MSRP.
All it does is set a floor, at least while retail availability exists. Which of course it does, because, well, otherwise people would buy at the store.
No issues w/ the rest of your review though (I'm assuming, just getting into the testing section now, but I am pretty confident in your testing by now). Nor am I even in disagreement about your 3080 ti conclusion. It's a blatant we know we can get money for this, so we will move. I'm not mad about it, but that doesn't mean we can't state that's what it is.
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Sorry, but no, the MSRP doesn't actually really impact the secondary market. As Linus said, it's really about performance. That's why the RDNA2 GPUs are cheaper than Nvidia GPUs, even with gaming performance that'd indicate they shouldn't be. Nothing to do with MSRP.
All it does is set a floor, at least while retail availability exists. Which of course it does, because, well, otherwise people would buy at the store.
No issues w/ the rest of your review though (I'm assuming, just getting into the testing section now, but I am pretty confident in your testing by now). Nor am I even in disagreement about your 3080 ti conclusion. It's a blatant we know we can get money for this, so we will move. I'm not mad about it, but that doesn't mean we can't state that's what it is.
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Lincoln
I don't believe that Linus still defends his position atacking yours, that sucks, I'm really thinking about unsubscribing ... always something has to fall, always something half done, always i don't read manuals ... price per performance is math, if they force you to compare it to 3090 or the new Tie and not even talk about price per performance he became victim of their own words in another videos of the past like criticizing Intel when they try to sell keys to made a faster raid ... It will bite her ass sooner or later, but he run a company, he have to sell her fish if you understand me rs ... I hope Steve don't come to this point
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I don't believe that Linus still defends his position atacking yours, that sucks, I'm really thinking about unsubscribing ... always something has to fall, always something half done, always i don't read manuals ... price per performance is math, if they force you to compare it to 3090 or the new Tie and not even talk about price per performance he became victim of their own words in another videos of the past like criticizing Intel when they try to sell keys to made a faster raid ... It will bite her ass sooner or later, but he run a company, he have to sell her fish if you understand me rs ... I hope Steve don't come to this point
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MrMcGreed
I won't agree or dissagree with either Linus or Steve - 'cause I really don't think this is what should be taken from the responses they have given. I my mind, I just really think this is GREAT! There's so much to learn from the nature of the argument, seeing more perspectives gives more knowledge. I don't know if Linus will reply to this, but I'd love to see more disagreements like these. Not that I wish for techtubers to reply for the sake of views, but I really think there's something to gain for people trying to learn!
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I won't agree or dissagree with either Linus or Steve - 'cause I really don't think this is what should be taken from the responses they have given. I my mind, I just really think this is GREAT! There's so much to learn from the nature of the argument, seeing more perspectives gives more knowledge. I don't know if Linus will reply to this, but I'd love to see more disagreements like these. Not that I wish for techtubers to reply for the sake of views, but I really think there's something to gain for people trying to learn!
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v1m30
Linus is wrong, the pricing varies widely among 2nd hand markets, yes some rich countries may have more sensible 2nd hand market where prices are based on performance but that's not the case in many regions where scarcity and MSRP of a new product do play a role that is not insignificant. It even happens that new products sell for less with better performance than used old products. Yes some 2nd hand markets suck that much especially for CPUs for example. And that's ignoring the major shortage time right now.
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Linus is wrong, the pricing varies widely among 2nd hand markets, yes some rich countries may have more sensible 2nd hand market where prices are based on performance but that's not the case in many regions where scarcity and MSRP of a new product do play a role that is not insignificant. It even happens that new products sell for less with better performance than used old products. Yes some 2nd hand markets suck that much especially for CPUs for example. And that's ignoring the major shortage time right now.
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Lo
Personally, I am getting tired of hearing hardware reviewers tinting every opinion because of the Scalper effect.
We know already. It's becoming a clickbait buzzword for stretching out a few more minutes of content length and drama.
I just wish the 4 horsemen of the hardware apocalypse would go back to sticking to MSRP and literal technical benchmarking.
The horse is dead, we can see it's dead, we don't need any more exposition about it's deadness. It _HAS_ become irrelevant through over-repetition.
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Personally, I am getting tired of hearing hardware reviewers tinting every opinion because of the Scalper effect.
We know already. It's becoming a clickbait buzzword for stretching out a few more minutes of content length and drama.
I just wish the 4 horsemen of the hardware apocalypse would go back to sticking to MSRP and literal technical benchmarking.
The horse is dead, we can see it's dead, we don't need any more exposition about it's deadness. It _HAS_ become irrelevant through over-repetition.
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Saad
3070 in my country is being sold for 1800 and I remember I was crying(along with a lot of other gamers) when it first launched in my country and the shops were selling it for 700 instead of the expected 500-600. I have been trying to get my hands on a 3060Ti or 3070 since 10 months but they are so expensive at the moment it isn't possible. I hope this silicon shortage ends soon.
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3070 in my country is being sold for 1800 and I remember I was crying(along with a lot of other gamers) when it first launched in my country and the shops were selling it for 700 instead of the expected 500-600. I have been trying to get my hands on a 3060Ti or 3070 since 10 months but they are so expensive at the moment it isn't possible. I hope this silicon shortage ends soon.
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Adam
You didn t show the correlation between performance and resale price so the correlation between MSRP and resale price has no meaningful context, and you didn t address the main point which is 3080s don t exist at MSRP and brush past the fact that people who buy 3090s are mostly doing it for gaming despite you saying they aren t good for that.
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You didn t show the correlation between performance and resale price so the correlation between MSRP and resale price has no meaningful context, and you didn t address the main point which is 3080s don t exist at MSRP and brush past the fact that people who buy 3090s are mostly doing it for gaming despite you saying they aren t good for that.
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