HW News - NVIDIA Responds to AMD FSR, Windows 11 Backtrack, Used GPUs Hit Market
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Date: 2021-07-07
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T_Z
As usual, Microsoft is prevented from freeing themselves of the ball and chain that is decades of legacy hardware support by the loud screeching of people who until the last few weeks didn't even know that a TPM is a thing that exists.
Guaranteed to mostly be the same people who in every comment section tell people to turn off updates, or proudly exclaim that they are still using Windows 7 (which is unsupported regardless of hardware). Or they've already had free upgrades from 7 or 8 but still think they're entitled to dictate terms for the new OS.
Windows 10 is officially supported until 2025, and will still work beyond that like Windows 7 does now. Older hardware is not suddenly being bricked by the existence of 11. Not to mention the overwhelming majority of new Windows consumer licenses are used for new laptops, OEM desktops and prebuilts, which naturally won't have any support problems given they're brand new hardware. Everyone on older machines already has a license and so is going to get 11 for free.
So your older hardware still works perfectly fine for at least 4 years, fully supported and up to date. Then in 2025 your hardware, if unsupported currently, is at LEAST 8 years old. You can then upgrade your hardware, which it's certainly due for at 8+ years old anyway, at which point you bring along your old license and still get Windows 11 for free. Sounds like a good deal to me.
I swear, only Microsoft can start giving people OS upgrades that used to cost hundreds for free and get nothing but abuse for it.
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As usual, Microsoft is prevented from freeing themselves of the ball and chain that is decades of legacy hardware support by the loud screeching of people who until the last few weeks didn't even know that a TPM is a thing that exists.
Guaranteed to mostly be the same people who in every comment section tell people to turn off updates, or proudly exclaim that they are still using Windows 7 (which is unsupported regardless of hardware). Or they've already had free upgrades from 7 or 8 but still think they're entitled to dictate terms for the new OS.
Windows 10 is officially supported until 2025, and will still work beyond that like Windows 7 does now. Older hardware is not suddenly being bricked by the existence of 11. Not to mention the overwhelming majority of new Windows consumer licenses are used for new laptops, OEM desktops and prebuilts, which naturally won't have any support problems given they're brand new hardware. Everyone on older machines already has a license and so is going to get 11 for free.
So your older hardware still works perfectly fine for at least 4 years, fully supported and up to date. Then in 2025 your hardware, if unsupported currently, is at LEAST 8 years old. You can then upgrade your hardware, which it's certainly due for at 8+ years old anyway, at which point you bring along your old license and still get Windows 11 for free. Sounds like a good deal to me.
I swear, only Microsoft can start giving people OS upgrades that used to cost hundreds for free and get nothing but abuse for it.
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Tams80
I'm concerned that AMD are going to get pushed out of TSMC 3nm. Hopefully they can reserve some wafers, and perhaps their getting chummy with Samsung will help get them some there.
I don't know what Nvidia thought they were doing when they started trying to buy ARM. It was never going to go smoothly. Hubris? Arrogance?
As for Windows 11... Microsoft seem to have been in a rush to get it out. Why? Is ChromeOS worrying them? Or perhaps it is just them letting their arrogance and sanctimony come back yet again. They aren't Apple; they can't get away with telling people how to use products they have bought.
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I'm concerned that AMD are going to get pushed out of TSMC 3nm. Hopefully they can reserve some wafers, and perhaps their getting chummy with Samsung will help get them some there.
I don't know what Nvidia thought they were doing when they started trying to buy ARM. It was never going to go smoothly. Hubris? Arrogance?
As for Windows 11... Microsoft seem to have been in a rush to get it out. Why? Is ChromeOS worrying them? Or perhaps it is just them letting their arrogance and sanctimony come back yet again. They aren't Apple; they can't get away with telling people how to use products they have bought.
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Phun
I'm sure Microsoft have some sort of god complex, they keep pulling these type of stunts forcing upgrades and ending support to suit themselves not their customers. Try running Win 8.1 on a modern PC everything works fine except for MS flashing notices up about modern hardware incompatibility scaring the non technical users into upgrading a perfectly functional system. I used to run 4 PC's and 1 Win Server at home now I'm down to 3 Linux PC's and 2 Windows 10 pro PC's, by year end I will be fully Linux based after over 30 years of MS products starting with MSDOS 2.11.
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I'm sure Microsoft have some sort of god complex, they keep pulling these type of stunts forcing upgrades and ending support to suit themselves not their customers. Try running Win 8.1 on a modern PC everything works fine except for MS flashing notices up about modern hardware incompatibility scaring the non technical users into upgrading a perfectly functional system. I used to run 4 PC's and 1 Win Server at home now I'm down to 3 Linux PC's and 2 Windows 10 pro PC's, by year end I will be fully Linux based after over 30 years of MS products starting with MSDOS 2.11.
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SFtheWolf
it'd be one thing if this dramatic narrowing of windows' supported hardware/software allowed them to do something new they couldn't otherwise or drastically improve performance but it's clear that isn't happening. windows 11 looks like a flat out downgrade with extra adware and spyware just so you can have some very minor UI updates and a slightly more mac-y taskbar which most people will immediately turn off anyway. is there any serious benefit to it at all that I'm missing?
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it'd be one thing if this dramatic narrowing of windows' supported hardware/software allowed them to do something new they couldn't otherwise or drastically improve performance but it's clear that isn't happening. windows 11 looks like a flat out downgrade with extra adware and spyware just so you can have some very minor UI updates and a slightly more mac-y taskbar which most people will immediately turn off anyway. is there any serious benefit to it at all that I'm missing?
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Nick
Hey, thanks for the reviews using a lower TDP!
I'd really love to see some reviews of SFF coolers, especially under 47mm.
I know it isn't entirely your thing, but it is mine and you guys are the only reviewer I trust enough that I'd buy anything off your recommendation.
(And as long as I'm dreaming, I'd like a pony... Whoops, no, I mean a modmat that's one inch narrower, so that it fits on ikea bookshelves and furniture.)
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Hey, thanks for the reviews using a lower TDP!
I'd really love to see some reviews of SFF coolers, especially under 47mm.
I know it isn't entirely your thing, but it is mine and you guys are the only reviewer I trust enough that I'd buy anything off your recommendation.
(And as long as I'm dreaming, I'd like a pony... Whoops, no, I mean a modmat that's one inch narrower, so that it fits on ikea bookshelves and furniture.)
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Aitor
I tested FSR.. and while it is great news, it is inferior to DLSS. My card is a 6900XT, so I just tested it to check claims.. and in game you can just tell it looks a bit out of focus, and the fps improvement is nice. All tests done at 4K.
This will give life to all those relatively old cards like 1060s and 480-580 cards, that are ok for 1440 and cannot play 4K.. they will soldier on for 3'4 more years just because of this.
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I tested FSR.. and while it is great news, it is inferior to DLSS. My card is a 6900XT, so I just tested it to check claims.. and in game you can just tell it looks a bit out of focus, and the fps improvement is nice. All tests done at 4K.
This will give life to all those relatively old cards like 1060s and 480-580 cards, that are ok for 1440 and cannot play 4K.. they will soldier on for 3'4 more years just because of this.
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Danger
I was just thinking you know, people are like 'hell yeah, nice one amd,pushing intel/nvidia to be better. I'll wait for the next nvidia/intel gen because it'll definitely improved by the way amd is pushing them . If every individual including new builders hold out for that next gen and amd don't sell anything and they go bankrupt then will that mean the consumers created their own demise known as monopoly? r/showerthoughts
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I was just thinking you know, people are like 'hell yeah, nice one amd,pushing intel/nvidia to be better. I'll wait for the next nvidia/intel gen because it'll definitely improved by the way amd is pushing them . If every individual including new builders hold out for that next gen and amd don't sell anything and they go bankrupt then will that mean the consumers created their own demise known as monopoly? r/showerthoughts
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Ted
Lol, I think you missed out a little there. You could have got a killer instinct style u-u-u-ultra maybe by max headroom ing Steve lol. On a side note the Anthony name seems to be Anthony ZX164 maybe some sort of reference to the old Spectrum stuff in some way? just seemed like roman numerals to me. I would love one of these, I want to build an old 386-486 type machine ; )
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Lol, I think you missed out a little there. You could have got a killer instinct style u-u-u-ultra maybe by max headroom ing Steve lol. On a side note the Anthony name seems to be Anthony ZX164 maybe some sort of reference to the old Spectrum stuff in some way? just seemed like roman numerals to me. I would love one of these, I want to build an old 386-486 type machine ; )
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Terrados1337
About the 3nm segment: I understand Apple is a big company but ... I dont know a single person who buys their products. In my social bubble, not a single person uses Apple willingly (1 used iPhone as temporary replacement). At work, IT, there are 2 customers who still use ancient Macs but thats about it. Is Apple just an NA thing?
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About the 3nm segment: I understand Apple is a big company but ... I dont know a single person who buys their products. In my social bubble, not a single person uses Apple willingly (1 used iPhone as temporary replacement). At work, IT, there are 2 customers who still use ancient Macs but thats about it. Is Apple just an NA thing?
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Mohegan13
I installed the insider build of Win11 on my laptop with a 5th gen i3 CPU. Works just fine.
Microsoft's requirements are a load of BS. How long I'll be able to keep using Win11 remains to be seen, but I can say with certainty that any hardware limits MS set seem purely arbitrary and not legitimate hardware limitations.
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I installed the insider build of Win11 on my laptop with a 5th gen i3 CPU. Works just fine.
Microsoft's requirements are a load of BS. How long I'll be able to keep using Win11 remains to be seen, but I can say with certainty that any hardware limits MS set seem purely arbitrary and not legitimate hardware limitations.
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