Attacking AMD's Prices: Intel Core i5-12600K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. AMD
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Date: 2021-11-05
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MM
Finally this seems like some competition! I'm still with amd (mainly for efficiency and heat), because i won't forget easily all the things that intel made us swallow over the year (locked cpu, 4 cores for 10 years with 100mhz improvements and +20 each time, not soldered HIS because you don't need it , all the CEO bull , change mobo every year for the same cpu etc...), and because, for me this is still, for intel a way to save time for a real CPU improvement: this feels more like let's put our best core together, let's make the heat dissipation better and let's use smaller older cores to handle the little workloads , it's not a smart architecture it's just that they cannot put 18 P core in one of their socket without making it explode lol. Add to that all the compatibly issues with various operative systems and application developed all over the years, i wouldn't feel safe picking a cpu like that to handle all the works i usually do.
BUT it's very nice how they keep thinning the HIS to keep those things coolable (Not the 12900k lol that thing will make so many ignorant people not happy on reddit, when they will underspec their cooler for sure) even with that lack of efficiency. The efficiency of ryzen is amazing but they really need to improve the heat dissipation method to boost their core speed and boost a lot.
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Finally this seems like some competition! I'm still with amd (mainly for efficiency and heat), because i won't forget easily all the things that intel made us swallow over the year (locked cpu, 4 cores for 10 years with 100mhz improvements and +20 each time, not soldered HIS because you don't need it , all the CEO bull , change mobo every year for the same cpu etc...), and because, for me this is still, for intel a way to save time for a real CPU improvement: this feels more like let's put our best core together, let's make the heat dissipation better and let's use smaller older cores to handle the little workloads , it's not a smart architecture it's just that they cannot put 18 P core in one of their socket without making it explode lol. Add to that all the compatibly issues with various operative systems and application developed all over the years, i wouldn't feel safe picking a cpu like that to handle all the works i usually do.
BUT it's very nice how they keep thinning the HIS to keep those things coolable (Not the 12900k lol that thing will make so many ignorant people not happy on reddit, when they will underspec their cooler for sure) even with that lack of efficiency. The efficiency of ryzen is amazing but they really need to improve the heat dissipation method to boost their core speed and boost a lot.
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Ted
I wonder what the actual like for like uplift the 12600k has over the 11600k and 10600k. By that I mean turn off the e-cores and just use the P-cores. The 11 and 10 series are just 6c12t and the 12 has the 4 extra e-cores so when combining the e-cores into the numbers it is unfair to do a straight this is better since it has extra cores over the others, this would be similar to tesing a cpu with hyperthreading against one without. Since there is the specific instance of avx512 needing the e-cores to be disabled there should be 2 sets of results for these chips, until at least the non e-core series aren't in the main group of testing comparisions otherwise you can't see the actual generational improvements over the old architecture.
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I wonder what the actual like for like uplift the 12600k has over the 11600k and 10600k. By that I mean turn off the e-cores and just use the P-cores. The 11 and 10 series are just 6c12t and the 12 has the 4 extra e-cores so when combining the e-cores into the numbers it is unfair to do a straight this is better since it has extra cores over the others, this would be similar to tesing a cpu with hyperthreading against one without. Since there is the specific instance of avx512 needing the e-cores to be disabled there should be 2 sets of results for these chips, until at least the non e-core series aren't in the main group of testing comparisions otherwise you can't see the actual generational improvements over the old architecture.
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Xenor
IMO you've extrapolated data from steam incorrectly. While it's true that most currently used systems use win10, I'm pretty sure that most of the people going for a new platform would reinstall wheir windows and 11 will be a default choice there, so comparing old cpus with win10 vs new with win11 would be actually the most real world conditions. While I understand it would be changing more than one thing at a time so those things shouldn't be compared, on the other hand that's exactly how things will work in real uses. I, for one, would like to know exactly that - what going from win10+ryzen to win11+Intel will bring me in terms of performance improvements.
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IMO you've extrapolated data from steam incorrectly. While it's true that most currently used systems use win10, I'm pretty sure that most of the people going for a new platform would reinstall wheir windows and 11 will be a default choice there, so comparing old cpus with win10 vs new with win11 would be actually the most real world conditions. While I understand it would be changing more than one thing at a time so those things shouldn't be compared, on the other hand that's exactly how things will work in real uses. I, for one, would like to know exactly that - what going from win10+ryzen to win11+Intel will bring me in terms of performance improvements.
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fatih
If your main agenda is gaming and if already have things like zen 2 or zen 3 or intel 9th-10th-11th lineup. Any product in those lineups are very capable of driving very expensive graphics cards you probably can't buy. If you have money to burn, burn it with buying another monitor or a better chair or better speakers or headphones. Buy yourself another ssd. Because I promise you, you won't see any difference other than a slight increase of the fancy number on top corner. And just a bit increase, not much.
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If your main agenda is gaming and if already have things like zen 2 or zen 3 or intel 9th-10th-11th lineup. Any product in those lineups are very capable of driving very expensive graphics cards you probably can't buy. If you have money to burn, burn it with buying another monitor or a better chair or better speakers or headphones. Buy yourself another ssd. Because I promise you, you won't see any difference other than a slight increase of the fancy number on top corner. And just a bit increase, not much.
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TheBaldrickk
I'm not all that sure that Win 10 was the best choice here.
Sure, most people are not using it - which is completely understandable given performance issues and hardware incompatibilities...
But buying new hardware is the perfect excuse to move to a new OS version.
I would be very surprised if Win 11 take-up with 12 series CPUs doesn't drastically outpace the general numbers.
I don't see an issue in reviewing with the expected use case setup, over the current most common.
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I'm not all that sure that Win 10 was the best choice here.
Sure, most people are not using it - which is completely understandable given performance issues and hardware incompatibilities...
But buying new hardware is the perfect excuse to move to a new OS version.
I would be very surprised if Win 11 take-up with 12 series CPUs doesn't drastically outpace the general numbers.
I don't see an issue in reviewing with the expected use case setup, over the current most common.
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Bernd
My point of View: The new Intel CPU's are currently the best on the market, however if you want to swap, you need new CPU, a new mainboard, new cooling most likley, and a new Power supply. As a simple update the new Intels are not a good choice, however if you plan a new build than Intel might be the way to go, the problem is DDR5, it is currently not faster than DDR4 but double the price at least, also you can't use DDR4 on a DDR5 board.
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My point of View: The new Intel CPU's are currently the best on the market, however if you want to swap, you need new CPU, a new mainboard, new cooling most likley, and a new Power supply. As a simple update the new Intels are not a good choice, however if you plan a new build than Intel might be the way to go, the problem is DDR5, it is currently not faster than DDR4 but double the price at least, also you can't use DDR4 on a DDR5 board.
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all
Can someone please answer this question if they have information... I don't understand the chart that they show at 18 minutes and 25 seconds. I have aamd 5900x edit my crappy r-10 Alienware even overclocked the most it'll take is 1.24 volt on all cores and 118watts if I turn overclock off it goes down to like 109 110. Why is the stock 5900 X in the chart so much higher? Is the motherboard that they're using just that much more capable?
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Can someone please answer this question if they have information... I don't understand the chart that they show at 18 minutes and 25 seconds. I have aamd 5900x edit my crappy r-10 Alienware even overclocked the most it'll take is 1.24 volt on all cores and 118watts if I turn overclock off it goes down to like 109 110. Why is the stock 5900 X in the chart so much higher? Is the motherboard that they're using just that much more capable?
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Pascal33
Finally! I'm on team red at the moment, but I love to see competetive products and hopefully the prices will come down aswell when intel an AMD are finally competing again.
For the next few years I'm still good with my 5900X, but still: good job intel
Edit: the platform seems to be awfully expensive. At launch I see Mainboards starting at 200 and DDR5 kits (16GB) starting at 140 .
Overall my 5900X bundle was cheaper :D
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Finally! I'm on team red at the moment, but I love to see competetive products and hopefully the prices will come down aswell when intel an AMD are finally competing again.
For the next few years I'm still good with my 5900X, but still: good job intel
Edit: the platform seems to be awfully expensive. At launch I see Mainboards starting at 200 and DDR5 kits (16GB) starting at 140 .
Overall my 5900X bundle was cheaper :D
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Andrew
It is a really good all round CPU. Current platform costs make it a bit more complicated so I think the best thing to do is wait for Zen 3D. By then B660 should be available so platform prices for ADL will come down. DDR5 should also be faster and cheaper so going that route will not be as expensive as now either. On top of that there may be some good deals on vanilla zen 3 parts as they get supplimented by the v-cache upgrade.
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It is a really good all round CPU. Current platform costs make it a bit more complicated so I think the best thing to do is wait for Zen 3D. By then B660 should be available so platform prices for ADL will come down. DDR5 should also be faster and cheaper so going that route will not be as expensive as now either. On top of that there may be some good deals on vanilla zen 3 parts as they get supplimented by the v-cache upgrade.
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giorx5
How comes that while Intel's preview gaming testing found them having a big lean on Zen3 CPUs on CSGO, now we see than only 12900K wins by a hair and 12600K clearly loses from 5600X? So, the bugged win11 made its work for them until now... Seeing MT apps, it seems that Intel pushed the power envelope for 12600K & 12900K to marginally win over 5800X and 5900X respectively. From the efficiency aspect they lose again.
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How comes that while Intel's preview gaming testing found them having a big lean on Zen3 CPUs on CSGO, now we see than only 12900K wins by a hair and 12600K clearly loses from 5600X? So, the bugged win11 made its work for them until now... Seeing MT apps, it seems that Intel pushed the power envelope for 12600K & 12900K to marginally win over 5800X and 5900X respectively. From the efficiency aspect they lose again.
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