HW News - Intel Leak is Fake, 5nm EUV Node, Ryzen 2000 Price Cuts
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Date: 2020-05-06
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high clock speed is about high power intel 5nm is fake because intel has 10nm cpus that did come on time the problem is binning quality is so bad they cant make 60+w chips for desktop meaning no desktop SKUs because intel does not want to be stuck at the same clock speed as amd witch would be pointless. so that is why i instantly knew it was fake mostly because the issues with 10nm are actually the fact intel i series architectures complexity is working against intel doing die shrinks beyond 14nm. thats why 10nm intel is hardly known as already released because the high quality fab needed for high power chips is yet to happen and the performance of 12-60w chips is not exciting just not exciting at all as ryzen 3000s is actually making great clock speeds at low power without doing things like calling a 6 core 45w part a i9 still for low power chips effectively 10% better than last gen i7 6 core low power part witch has a i9 rebrand for up to 10 second bursts limit to the new i9 performance anyway. sad less than 4% overall thare! burst boosts are crap talk to be making it out like its the same as turbo when xfr3 is being advertised the same but is a actual real stab as competitive with manual overclocking.
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high clock speed is about high power intel 5nm is fake because intel has 10nm cpus that did come on time the problem is binning quality is so bad they cant make 60+w chips for desktop meaning no desktop SKUs because intel does not want to be stuck at the same clock speed as amd witch would be pointless. so that is why i instantly knew it was fake mostly because the issues with 10nm are actually the fact intel i series architectures complexity is working against intel doing die shrinks beyond 14nm. thats why 10nm intel is hardly known as already released because the high quality fab needed for high power chips is yet to happen and the performance of 12-60w chips is not exciting just not exciting at all as ryzen 3000s is actually making great clock speeds at low power without doing things like calling a 6 core 45w part a i9 still for low power chips effectively 10% better than last gen i7 6 core low power part witch has a i9 rebrand for up to 10 second bursts limit to the new i9 performance anyway. sad less than 4% overall thare! burst boosts are crap talk to be making it out like its the same as turbo when xfr3 is being advertised the same but is a actual real stab as competitive with manual overclocking.
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Ξανδρος
On the Intel leaks, is it safe to assume the slide that has information on chipset, ram, and expandability is also fake? It was claiming 10th gen only supports PCIe 3. 0 spec, unlike AMD's move to adopt 4. 0 spec. I know on desktop, this doesn't mean a whole lot, as you only need a GPU and a couple NVME drives, there's more than enough physical lanes to support that. However, on the laptop side of things, where physical lanes (On Intel's side at least, I haven't seen much about AMD's side of things yet) are limited, bandwidth is what's important here. If 10th gen Core chips are PCIe 3. 0, and if laptop adoption rate of AMD chips is high enough, Intel could take a big hit here, as the mobile market is clearly dominated by Intel in every category. And if the roadmap slide is also true, we won't see Comet Lake until 2020. And if Comet Lake's refresh doesn't adopt PCIe 4. 0 either, AMD has a good amount of time to get more of the mobile market, with tech outside of CPU cores and clocks that outperforms what Intel provides.
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On the Intel leaks, is it safe to assume the slide that has information on chipset, ram, and expandability is also fake? It was claiming 10th gen only supports PCIe 3. 0 spec, unlike AMD's move to adopt 4. 0 spec. I know on desktop, this doesn't mean a whole lot, as you only need a GPU and a couple NVME drives, there's more than enough physical lanes to support that. However, on the laptop side of things, where physical lanes (On Intel's side at least, I haven't seen much about AMD's side of things yet) are limited, bandwidth is what's important here. If 10th gen Core chips are PCIe 3. 0, and if laptop adoption rate of AMD chips is high enough, Intel could take a big hit here, as the mobile market is clearly dominated by Intel in every category. And if the roadmap slide is also true, we won't see Comet Lake until 2020. And if Comet Lake's refresh doesn't adopt PCIe 4. 0 either, AMD has a good amount of time to get more of the mobile market, with tech outside of CPU cores and clocks that outperforms what Intel provides.
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Hrishikesh
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AgneDei
A simple blower cooler indeed would be cheap. But this one is basically a full cover vapor chamber cooler. I'm quite certain that a classical 2 fan 3 heatpipe gpu cooler shouldn't be more expensive than that. You've been to the cooler factories yourself, you should know the actual price difference. I'd agree that the blower would be significantly cheaper but only if it was significantly simpler. Also, too bad that they didn't factory polish flat the core cooler plate and use some good thin thermal compound instead of the pad, as that would probably make this cooler significantly better for a couple cents more at the factory.
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A simple blower cooler indeed would be cheap. But this one is basically a full cover vapor chamber cooler. I'm quite certain that a classical 2 fan 3 heatpipe gpu cooler shouldn't be more expensive than that. You've been to the cooler factories yourself, you should know the actual price difference. I'd agree that the blower would be significantly cheaper but only if it was significantly simpler. Also, too bad that they didn't factory polish flat the core cooler plate and use some good thin thermal compound instead of the pad, as that would probably make this cooler significantly better for a couple cents more at the factory.
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Paranoid
Also, could we stop with the blower style coolers are better suited for cases with less airflow crap? The amount of air of a given temperature you need hitting a given surface for dissipating a given amount of heat is constant, i. e. it does not change, I wish it did but physics. That is exactly why when you have a smaller dissipating surface area and a smaller fan what you have to do is spin that fan faster just to keep the flow up. And, ultimately, you still need the same amount of available air for the fan to blow. But yeah, it sure is cheaper.
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Also, could we stop with the blower style coolers are better suited for cases with less airflow crap? The amount of air of a given temperature you need hitting a given surface for dissipating a given amount of heat is constant, i. e. it does not change, I wish it did but physics. That is exactly why when you have a smaller dissipating surface area and a smaller fan what you have to do is spin that fan faster just to keep the flow up. And, ultimately, you still need the same amount of available air for the fan to blow. But yeah, it sure is cheaper.
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Snal3s
Hey Guys, i have a question, i was thinking about to get an R5 3600 and updated my Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X with the new Bios. Since than i got some Problems, one time my screens turning black and the LED's on the Mainboard going crazy blinking after i was afk for some time, the other time i had the same Problem but at startup the PC. After restart all seems to work correct. Are there any knows problems like this, or did u test the Ryzen 3000er at x470 and x370 Boards yet?
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Hey Guys, i have a question, i was thinking about to get an R5 3600 and updated my Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X with the new Bios. Since than i got some Problems, one time my screens turning black and the LED's on the Mainboard going crazy blinking after i was afk for some time, the other time i had the same Problem but at startup the PC. After restart all seems to work correct. Are there any knows problems like this, or did u test the Ryzen 3000er at x470 and x370 Boards yet?
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Cryptonite26
I guess Asrock does have its perks with their 256MB bios's on X470 Taichi and the x370 has 128 mb so their bios updates for the new gen was pretty fast. and here I thought I was going to be one of the last people to get support for Zen2 because of how people complain about Asrock's bios support. But I've been pretty satisfied allround with my X470 Taichi which was the only board I could find with 8x Sata ports and built in wifi which were the 2 main features I needed.
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I guess Asrock does have its perks with their 256MB bios's on X470 Taichi and the x370 has 128 mb so their bios updates for the new gen was pretty fast. and here I thought I was going to be one of the last people to get support for Zen2 because of how people complain about Asrock's bios support. But I've been pretty satisfied allround with my X470 Taichi which was the only board I could find with 8x Sata ports and built in wifi which were the 2 main features I needed.
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Not
You can kind of assume if something is rushed to launch by the state it launches in. AMD just wanted to rush these to market at the same time as Ryzen3000 as a double-whammy. To be honest they could have just kept the 5700XT with their junk cooling and let third-parties have the 5700 with more expensive but functional cooling. Even Nvidia launched RTX at the same time as third-parties right? Albeit they binned the GPUs and had actually decent coolers to start with.
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You can kind of assume if something is rushed to launch by the state it launches in. AMD just wanted to rush these to market at the same time as Ryzen3000 as a double-whammy. To be honest they could have just kept the 5700XT with their junk cooling and let third-parties have the 5700 with more expensive but functional cooling. Even Nvidia launched RTX at the same time as third-parties right? Albeit they binned the GPUs and had actually decent coolers to start with.
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Rozzbourn
actually intel was the first to glue dies together with the Pentium D in q2 of 2005. amd released the opteron 165 in q3 of 2005 and it was a single die dual core. amd used the glue two dies together attack against intel as a marketing jib. when intel brought it up recently, it was only to show how amd was being hypocritical. even though it was 14 years later. most people today may not remember all that stuff.
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actually intel was the first to glue dies together with the Pentium D in q2 of 2005. amd released the opteron 165 in q3 of 2005 and it was a single die dual core. amd used the glue two dies together attack against intel as a marketing jib. when intel brought it up recently, it was only to show how amd was being hypocritical. even though it was 14 years later. most people today may not remember all that stuff.
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Rainer
14: 00 I doubt that a blower card is significantly cheaper or more expensive than a normal cooler to produce or build. The fins and vapour chamber and heat pipes are basically the same, you still need some kind of fan, which cost basically the same (almost nothing) and the motor should also cost roughly the same as 2 half as powerful motors. Of course assuming the same general quality and spec.
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14: 00 I doubt that a blower card is significantly cheaper or more expensive than a normal cooler to produce or build. The fins and vapour chamber and heat pipes are basically the same, you still need some kind of fan, which cost basically the same (almost nothing) and the motor should also cost roughly the same as 2 half as powerful motors. Of course assuming the same general quality and spec.
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