GN Special Report: AMD Moves 93% of CPU Sales (Intel vs. AMD 2019 for DIY)
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Date: 2020-05-06
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R&D
The Intel-AMD tug of war has been a crazy ride for me. Intel Pentium MMX in 2000, AMD K6-2 in 2003, Intel Pentium 4 Prescott in 2004, AMD Phenom II X4 in 2009, AMD FX last year and finally a Ryzen 5 3600 just three months ago. I don't know what my next CPU will be or on what socket but I know the only way Intel is going to ensnare me back into their CPU circus is with an instruction loaded single threading champion. FX is still my heavy lifter despite 2. 2x the multithread performance in Ryzen 5. I rely on Ryzen for playing unoptimized/VR games and doing work in Unity and Blender. Neither of them are disappointing but it's annoying that these systems are marked for specific jobs where overclocking is such a different experience on each one. I've been doing this from the start. A stable 500MHz OC on the FX is something I will never match on Ryzen and while that was great, others are doubling past my experience into 5GHz clockspeed territory. I don't buy CPUs based on overclocking performance but the base clock performance and peak overclock gap. Ryzen 5 3600 is my golden ticket. I would love to see what 5nm can do.
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The Intel-AMD tug of war has been a crazy ride for me. Intel Pentium MMX in 2000, AMD K6-2 in 2003, Intel Pentium 4 Prescott in 2004, AMD Phenom II X4 in 2009, AMD FX last year and finally a Ryzen 5 3600 just three months ago. I don't know what my next CPU will be or on what socket but I know the only way Intel is going to ensnare me back into their CPU circus is with an instruction loaded single threading champion. FX is still my heavy lifter despite 2. 2x the multithread performance in Ryzen 5. I rely on Ryzen for playing unoptimized/VR games and doing work in Unity and Blender. Neither of them are disappointing but it's annoying that these systems are marked for specific jobs where overclocking is such a different experience on each one. I've been doing this from the start. A stable 500MHz OC on the FX is something I will never match on Ryzen and while that was great, others are doubling past my experience into 5GHz clockspeed territory. I don't buy CPUs based on overclocking performance but the base clock performance and peak overclock gap. Ryzen 5 3600 is my golden ticket. I would love to see what 5nm can do.
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Jordan
I am guilty of buying a 3800x, and that was after watching your videos saying it wasn't a good value. But in the end I decided it was worth it to me to buy the higher binned chip for an extra 75 bucks even if it is only going to yield a little bit more performance because I thought it would be more fun to push that chip to its limits since it really appeared to be the fastest offering from AMD at the time (pre-3950x. I also plan to eventually add an open loop water cooling system to the computer, now talk about poor value to performance boost! I guess when you start to push into the enthusiast segment value kind of becomes secondary to performance. All that being said, I really appreciate GNs advice when it comes to value and the biggest bang for your buck, because I have definitely been using that info for other PCs that I have built for people that are operating more in that maximum price to performance arena.
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I am guilty of buying a 3800x, and that was after watching your videos saying it wasn't a good value. But in the end I decided it was worth it to me to buy the higher binned chip for an extra 75 bucks even if it is only going to yield a little bit more performance because I thought it would be more fun to push that chip to its limits since it really appeared to be the fastest offering from AMD at the time (pre-3950x. I also plan to eventually add an open loop water cooling system to the computer, now talk about poor value to performance boost! I guess when you start to push into the enthusiast segment value kind of becomes secondary to performance. All that being said, I really appreciate GNs advice when it comes to value and the biggest bang for your buck, because I have definitely been using that info for other PCs that I have built for people that are operating more in that maximum price to performance arena.
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wysetech2000
The problem is not so much with all of the AMD hype videos (and i have said many times before) it's the younger people who look up to reviewers and read the comments and see all of the bashing, insults, bullying and belittling that is in the comments that bother me. Some don't even understand it all. It shows them that it's OK to have this behavior. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Intel leaves the enthusiast market altogether since the cost of trying to catch up isn't worth it accept for a couple of mainstream CPUz. Then all of the fanbois can argue and fight over who has the best AMD cpu. I believe that the new game consoles will take a huge bite out of the computer gaming market as they will be much cheaper than gaming on a desktop. I also believe that AMD will reach a saturation point soon and sales will drop.
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The problem is not so much with all of the AMD hype videos (and i have said many times before) it's the younger people who look up to reviewers and read the comments and see all of the bashing, insults, bullying and belittling that is in the comments that bother me. Some don't even understand it all. It shows them that it's OK to have this behavior. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Intel leaves the enthusiast market altogether since the cost of trying to catch up isn't worth it accept for a couple of mainstream CPUz. Then all of the fanbois can argue and fight over who has the best AMD cpu. I believe that the new game consoles will take a huge bite out of the computer gaming market as they will be much cheaper than gaming on a desktop. I also believe that AMD will reach a saturation point soon and sales will drop.
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J3B
Calm down people. This has happened before. I went from Intel to AMD and back again as the performance crown shifted. However, with today's tech being easily fast enough already, I haven't gone with AMD simply because my current setup does everything I need, as fast as I need it to be. We've reached a saturation point where more speed really does not do much except for some very niche tasks. Nevertheless, AMD will lose their crown to Intel or perhaps another, unknown competitor in the not so distant future. It's good for us and good for competition. Be happy for that, but don't act as if this is the beginning of AMD's perpetual domination of the market. They had it once and lost it, as they will again.
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Calm down people. This has happened before. I went from Intel to AMD and back again as the performance crown shifted. However, with today's tech being easily fast enough already, I haven't gone with AMD simply because my current setup does everything I need, as fast as I need it to be. We've reached a saturation point where more speed really does not do much except for some very niche tasks. Nevertheless, AMD will lose their crown to Intel or perhaps another, unknown competitor in the not so distant future. It's good for us and good for competition. Be happy for that, but don't act as if this is the beginning of AMD's perpetual domination of the market. They had it once and lost it, as they will again.
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Leggir
I've had so many CPU's at this point I've forgotten most. Probably because I'm getting old. Next will be AMD again, but I'm in no rush. This 5 GHz 7700K plays all the games fine. Intel: 4. 77 Mhz 8086 10 MHz 8088 12 MHz 80286 with 80287 Co-Processor Pentium 166 Pentium 200 MMX (OC to 250 MHz) Celeron 366 (OC to 550 MHz) Celeron 600 (OC to 900 MHz) Q6600 2. 4 (OC to 3. 6 GHz) i5-3570K 3. 4 (OC to 4. 0 GHz) i3-7100 3. 9 GHz i7-7700K 4. 2 (OC to 5. 0 GHz) AMD: AMx386DX 40 MHz AMx486DX4 133 MHz K6-2 350 Mhz Athlon 1100 Athlon 1700+ (1466 MHz) Athlon 3200+ (2. 2 GHz) Athlon 64 3200+ (2. 2 GHz) Athlon 64 X2 4800+ (2. 4 GHz) Cyrix: P166+ 133 MHz
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I've had so many CPU's at this point I've forgotten most. Probably because I'm getting old. Next will be AMD again, but I'm in no rush. This 5 GHz 7700K plays all the games fine. Intel: 4. 77 Mhz 8086 10 MHz 8088 12 MHz 80286 with 80287 Co-Processor Pentium 166 Pentium 200 MMX (OC to 250 MHz) Celeron 366 (OC to 550 MHz) Celeron 600 (OC to 900 MHz) Q6600 2. 4 (OC to 3. 6 GHz) i5-3570K 3. 4 (OC to 4. 0 GHz) i3-7100 3. 9 GHz i7-7700K 4. 2 (OC to 5. 0 GHz) AMD: AMx386DX 40 MHz AMx486DX4 133 MHz K6-2 350 Mhz Athlon 1100 Athlon 1700+ (1466 MHz) Athlon 3200+ (2. 2 GHz) Athlon 64 3200+ (2. 2 GHz) Athlon 64 X2 4800+ (2. 4 GHz) Cyrix: P166+ 133 MHz
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John
I think Intel issue is actually not production, it may be even artificial. My personal guess (pure guess, no support material) is AMD TR completely throw Intel off course with general availability of 16/32 cores cpus. Intel don't have, or don't know how to answer to it. Intel always reserve high core count for server cpu(xeons) as a differentiation for pricing. With AMD making these high core counts available for mass markets, Intel long term strategy break down. Its cpu no longer justify the pricing in both low end and high end segments, and equally worse, the chip set tie up also breaking down as AMD do away completely.
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I think Intel issue is actually not production, it may be even artificial. My personal guess (pure guess, no support material) is AMD TR completely throw Intel off course with general availability of 16/32 cores cpus. Intel don't have, or don't know how to answer to it. Intel always reserve high core count for server cpu(xeons) as a differentiation for pricing. With AMD making these high core counts available for mass markets, Intel long term strategy break down. Its cpu no longer justify the pricing in both low end and high end segments, and equally worse, the chip set tie up also breaking down as AMD do away completely.
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SomeName
Everyone in the comments cheering Intel s demise. You do realize that if Intel goes down to where AMD was barely a couple of years ago, AMD prices will simply go up because there is no competition, right? What happened with Intel will happen with AMD. Basic economics. It s not good news when a prominent company goes downhill to be replaced by another. It just grants more power to the new company. People love to cheer for problems these days without understanding the true consequences.
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Everyone in the comments cheering Intel s demise. You do realize that if Intel goes down to where AMD was barely a couple of years ago, AMD prices will simply go up because there is no competition, right? What happened with Intel will happen with AMD. Basic economics. It s not good news when a prominent company goes downhill to be replaced by another. It just grants more power to the new company. People love to cheer for problems these days without understanding the true consequences.
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Mike
That CPU sales graph was just totally sick lol Even Intel fanboys have to admit that AMD has turned the CPU market into something resembling the rocky films series: ) There IS still some reason to buy intel though Some people are just too lazy to remove the intel inside sticker from their case and a small amount of those ALSO suffer from chronic OCD that means the sticker not being accurate would make them apoplectic, but for everyone else theres AMD products: D
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That CPU sales graph was just totally sick lol Even Intel fanboys have to admit that AMD has turned the CPU market into something resembling the rocky films series: ) There IS still some reason to buy intel though Some people are just too lazy to remove the intel inside sticker from their case and a small amount of those ALSO suffer from chronic OCD that means the sticker not being accurate would make them apoplectic, but for everyone else theres AMD products: D
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Mike
An interesting slide that you didnt include would have been the TOTAL sales for each company broken down across the years and the processor series It would be interesting to see how the AMD budget chips affects the total sales compared to intel with the 9900k series making up most of their sales as AMD could have 90% of the market but might only be generating 40% of the gross revenue from those sales due to lower and popular chips like the 2700x and 3600
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An interesting slide that you didnt include would have been the TOTAL sales for each company broken down across the years and the processor series It would be interesting to see how the AMD budget chips affects the total sales compared to intel with the 9900k series making up most of their sales as AMD could have 90% of the market but might only be generating 40% of the gross revenue from those sales due to lower and popular chips like the 2700x and 3600
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Ethan
Been a very long time user of amd, i don't hate intel i don't hate nivida never have, but i personally wanted wanted. to give my money to amd because if their is no competition you get exactly as intel has done for years, why have that continue so yeah ill suffer a lack luster release cough FX which i did and played games on it FX-4300 who actually remembers knows this processor, dark times better now, and hopefully will continue
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Been a very long time user of amd, i don't hate intel i don't hate nivida never have, but i personally wanted wanted. to give my money to amd because if their is no competition you get exactly as intel has done for years, why have that continue so yeah ill suffer a lack luster release cough FX which i did and played games on it FX-4300 who actually remembers knows this processor, dark times better now, and hopefully will continue
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