Be Quiet! Mesh Pure Base 500DX Case, New CPU Coolers, & TDP Rant CES 2020
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Date: 2020-05-06
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James
I don't think it's true that almost all the power that goes into a CPU is turned into heat. It's true that most gets turned into heat. That power is feeding billions of transistors and the CPU produces WORK. It's electrical WORK that performs calculations that produces something for the consumer. There is some loss because you aren't dealing with a pure conductor. The issue of heat, as you have said in the past and therefore you should have never made the statement, is that the heat gets trapped, and without a cooler the transfer of heat isn't good enough with the CPU simply exposed to the surrounding air, and considering a CPU is constantly doing work, heat dissipation is critical, and the more work it's doing, more heat by-product gets produced. In fact if you were to keep CPUs at a base frequency and sacrifice some time you get better FLOPS/watt or IPJ (Instructions per Joule. They become more inefficient as the clock pushes the upper ends of the capability of that die. So, for those who perform a fixed frequency OC on their CPUs generally create a LOT of inefficiency for the CPU, which of course is why it's best now with modern CPUs, including the latest Intel CPUs, to let them manage themselves. This is for 1st gen Ryzen, the 1800X: 304, 510 MIPS at 3. 6 GHz. So, about 300 billion instructions per second 3. 6GHz. That's a LOT of computing WORK. It's hard to get figures for Zen2, but what is factual is it uses less power, has better IPC, so if you compared the 3700X 3. 6GHz for MIPS against the 1800X, it would be higher, and it would also be using less electricity. It used to be true that almost ALL power that goes into a CPU was turned into heat. Today, the statement would be that most power is turned into heat, but I'd really be interested to see a scientific analysis for Zen3, because it could very well be that for that generation of CPUs, it could POSSIBLY be the first line of CPUs for a PC where you are getting at least 50% of the power going into the CPU getting turned into electrical WORK, in the form of IPS, and Instructions per WATT. I'm predicting that once 5nm is refined, most power will TRULY be performing compute tasks, and not being turned into heat, while still being able to have clock rates pretty high. Surely if you run it at slower clocks, most power is being used for computing. In laptops, I'm thinking even now with this new gen of Zen2 APUs, the ones that don't push frequencies as high are using most of the power for computing, not heat generation. In the world of servers, where clock frequencies are kept lower, I think any scientific analysis on power consumption would show most power gets converted into computation, just like laptops. This is a trend that continually improves, with some speed bumps here and there in the world of PCs, when trying to push higher performance, but at some point it's going to be that almost ALL power that goes into a CPU, will be used for computing, and not generating heat. It's years away, but it's coming. We of course will STILL need coolers, because the compute power will be far greater than today's CPUs. But devices that will be used for simple computing will be incredibly efficient, just like small devices are now.
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I don't think it's true that almost all the power that goes into a CPU is turned into heat. It's true that most gets turned into heat. That power is feeding billions of transistors and the CPU produces WORK. It's electrical WORK that performs calculations that produces something for the consumer. There is some loss because you aren't dealing with a pure conductor. The issue of heat, as you have said in the past and therefore you should have never made the statement, is that the heat gets trapped, and without a cooler the transfer of heat isn't good enough with the CPU simply exposed to the surrounding air, and considering a CPU is constantly doing work, heat dissipation is critical, and the more work it's doing, more heat by-product gets produced. In fact if you were to keep CPUs at a base frequency and sacrifice some time you get better FLOPS/watt or IPJ (Instructions per Joule. They become more inefficient as the clock pushes the upper ends of the capability of that die. So, for those who perform a fixed frequency OC on their CPUs generally create a LOT of inefficiency for the CPU, which of course is why it's best now with modern CPUs, including the latest Intel CPUs, to let them manage themselves. This is for 1st gen Ryzen, the 1800X: 304, 510 MIPS at 3. 6 GHz. So, about 300 billion instructions per second 3. 6GHz. That's a LOT of computing WORK. It's hard to get figures for Zen2, but what is factual is it uses less power, has better IPC, so if you compared the 3700X 3. 6GHz for MIPS against the 1800X, it would be higher, and it would also be using less electricity. It used to be true that almost ALL power that goes into a CPU was turned into heat. Today, the statement would be that most power is turned into heat, but I'd really be interested to see a scientific analysis for Zen3, because it could very well be that for that generation of CPUs, it could POSSIBLY be the first line of CPUs for a PC where you are getting at least 50% of the power going into the CPU getting turned into electrical WORK, in the form of IPS, and Instructions per WATT. I'm predicting that once 5nm is refined, most power will TRULY be performing compute tasks, and not being turned into heat, while still being able to have clock rates pretty high. Surely if you run it at slower clocks, most power is being used for computing. In laptops, I'm thinking even now with this new gen of Zen2 APUs, the ones that don't push frequencies as high are using most of the power for computing, not heat generation. In the world of servers, where clock frequencies are kept lower, I think any scientific analysis on power consumption would show most power gets converted into computation, just like laptops. This is a trend that continually improves, with some speed bumps here and there in the world of PCs, when trying to push higher performance, but at some point it's going to be that almost ALL power that goes into a CPU, will be used for computing, and not generating heat. It's years away, but it's coming. We of course will STILL need coolers, because the compute power will be far greater than today's CPUs. But devices that will be used for simple computing will be incredibly efficient, just like small devices are now.
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Ezra
Can't BeQuiet just use the same basic shape as on the PB500's closed panel, with the octagon-ish main panel getting mesh and everything is closed for structural integrity? Maybe the crossbars if they put in any will be more visible on a white case with the black filter and fans behind it but this panel is just. well. it's ugly. Normally you shouldn't worry about aesthetics too much but when something can be done to make it look good without sacrificing thermals (or silence, whichever the case is for) might as well go with that, not to mention it maintains brand aesthetics consistency. It's kind of like this. The Meshify is to the Define as taking a 911 and having Ruf rework it completely still keeps that car looking like a Porsche despite the completely reworked openings and skirts and a wide body kit. This airflow alternate panel is like taking a Mercedes roadster and then instead of having Brabus make the body mods it was rendered with a generic aero kit on Need For Speed Underground.
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Can't BeQuiet just use the same basic shape as on the PB500's closed panel, with the octagon-ish main panel getting mesh and everything is closed for structural integrity? Maybe the crossbars if they put in any will be more visible on a white case with the black filter and fans behind it but this panel is just. well. it's ugly. Normally you shouldn't worry about aesthetics too much but when something can be done to make it look good without sacrificing thermals (or silence, whichever the case is for) might as well go with that, not to mention it maintains brand aesthetics consistency. It's kind of like this. The Meshify is to the Define as taking a 911 and having Ruf rework it completely still keeps that car looking like a Porsche despite the completely reworked openings and skirts and a wide body kit. This airflow alternate panel is like taking a Mercedes roadster and then instead of having Brabus make the body mods it was rendered with a generic aero kit on Need For Speed Underground.
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Rizon1985
It's astounding how companies like Thermaltake or Cooler Master stay afloat. I've seen them making shit products for 20 years. Spending a shitload of marketing budget to get their crap sold, and people just keep buying it. Constantly refreshing products so that even the internet becomes a useless means of finding reviews or user experiences for their latest products. They take a good product and then make a shitty cheap copy of it from a cheap factory. They add some flame stickers or a few lights to give it bling and push it into easily distracted kids their hands. but it's also unsafe to the point where cases are going to mangle your hand working with them and PSUs that are going to destroy every device in your house when they inevitably blow. It's nice they're giving you guys money Steve but it's crazy that such quacks of technology can stay alive in the information age.
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It's astounding how companies like Thermaltake or Cooler Master stay afloat. I've seen them making shit products for 20 years. Spending a shitload of marketing budget to get their crap sold, and people just keep buying it. Constantly refreshing products so that even the internet becomes a useless means of finding reviews or user experiences for their latest products. They take a good product and then make a shitty cheap copy of it from a cheap factory. They add some flame stickers or a few lights to give it bling and push it into easily distracted kids their hands. but it's also unsafe to the point where cases are going to mangle your hand working with them and PSUs that are going to destroy every device in your house when they inevitably blow. It's nice they're giving you guys money Steve but it's crazy that such quacks of technology can stay alive in the information age.
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MrDman
It be something to compare to other products of their TDP claim. How about using those MSI heatsink, Be Quiet, and your choices of the 3rd model either the same TDP or close to it. Then, swap heatsink on different CPU Intel Or AMD, 4 core 6 core and 8 core CPU. Having only 65w on a six core mean to me it had to cool six 65w of the rated TDP at stock, the Msi Frozr L did too good of a job. I think the airflow is more directed to the heat pipe than just the surface area of the fins was part of the result of achieving 4ghz and stay under 58c playing 1440p and 4/5k gaming and idling at 52c with amd cool and quiet option off. Try this out man. Three CPU Heatsink, one of each different chip based on number of core and series. One long lesson of TDP accuracy definition.
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It be something to compare to other products of their TDP claim. How about using those MSI heatsink, Be Quiet, and your choices of the 3rd model either the same TDP or close to it. Then, swap heatsink on different CPU Intel Or AMD, 4 core 6 core and 8 core CPU. Having only 65w on a six core mean to me it had to cool six 65w of the rated TDP at stock, the Msi Frozr L did too good of a job. I think the airflow is more directed to the heat pipe than just the surface area of the fins was part of the result of achieving 4ghz and stay under 58c playing 1440p and 4/5k gaming and idling at 52c with amd cool and quiet option off. Try this out man. Three CPU Heatsink, one of each different chip based on number of core and series. One long lesson of TDP accuracy definition.
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Petch85
If the reviewer measure the maximum watt of each CPU the benchmark and Be Quiet! listed the TDP at different delta T values and sound levels (dB. The you could used the TDP for something. :-) (well it would be a table of TDP's but still, useful) Maybe there should be an example on the boks, but at least some people would get it. Say my 8600K OC uses about 125W (steady state) and I want it to have a max temp of 80C (delta 60C) then I just needed to find a Be Quiet! cooler with a TDP Delta60C-40dB of 125W easy. Now I just have to bay the Dark Rock 4 Pro and hope for the best. And that is way it is sow cool when you make your temp 40 dB temp charts, thanks a lot for them. :-)
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If the reviewer measure the maximum watt of each CPU the benchmark and Be Quiet! listed the TDP at different delta T values and sound levels (dB. The you could used the TDP for something. :-) (well it would be a table of TDP's but still, useful) Maybe there should be an example on the boks, but at least some people would get it. Say my 8600K OC uses about 125W (steady state) and I want it to have a max temp of 80C (delta 60C) then I just needed to find a Be Quiet! cooler with a TDP Delta60C-40dB of 125W easy. Now I just have to bay the Dark Rock 4 Pro and hope for the best. And that is way it is sow cool when you make your temp 40 dB temp charts, thanks a lot for them. :-)
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Sam
Thanks for uploading this video so fast! I'm going to buy a dark base 700 and a dark rock slim, but have been waiting for 2 weeks to see if be quiet would announce a new dark rock/base. It's just a bit disappointing to see that they made 2 new budget coolers and a cheap case with good air flow but didn't improve the dark base 700's air flow (which isn't really great) and didn't make a dark rock 5 that is just a 0, 5cm higher dark rock 4 so users who have a quad kit of Trident Z RAM have to buy the slim version. Hey BeQuiet, it's the dark rock's height, that blocks the DIMM slot, not the lenght! No need to make it smaller.
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Thanks for uploading this video so fast! I'm going to buy a dark base 700 and a dark rock slim, but have been waiting for 2 weeks to see if be quiet would announce a new dark rock/base. It's just a bit disappointing to see that they made 2 new budget coolers and a cheap case with good air flow but didn't improve the dark base 700's air flow (which isn't really great) and didn't make a dark rock 5 that is just a 0, 5cm higher dark rock 4 so users who have a quad kit of Trident Z RAM have to buy the slim version. Hey BeQuiet, it's the dark rock's height, that blocks the DIMM slot, not the lenght! No need to make it smaller.
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givemeajackson
the shadow rock is supposed to be an answer to the thermalright macho. the macho has been a favourite in europe for many people, especially in germany, cause it works really well with really slow fans. the widely spaced fins even allow for passive or semi-passive operation. they don't have the headroom of a tightly stacked dual tower, but they work wonderfully at low RPM. the macho has been one of the best selling tower coolers in germany for years, it makes sense that be quiet want to get in on that.
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the shadow rock is supposed to be an answer to the thermalright macho. the macho has been a favourite in europe for many people, especially in germany, cause it works really well with really slow fans. the widely spaced fins even allow for passive or semi-passive operation. they don't have the headroom of a tightly stacked dual tower, but they work wonderfully at low RPM. the macho has been one of the best selling tower coolers in germany for years, it makes sense that be quiet want to get in on that.
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LogiForce86
I wonder if there still are useful cases our there these days? If I need a steel box I can make it myself after all. I still use 5. 25 bays but there isn't a single modern case with them anymore. A bit said, as that means they do not give a rats shiney behind anymore about the ATX standard which defined the chassis layout. BTX has been coined like. 15 to 20 years ago, but if we give the finger to ATX now than it's definitely time for a new layout definition for all components.
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I wonder if there still are useful cases our there these days? If I need a steel box I can make it myself after all. I still use 5. 25 bays but there isn't a single modern case with them anymore. A bit said, as that means they do not give a rats shiney behind anymore about the ATX standard which defined the chassis layout. BTX has been coined like. 15 to 20 years ago, but if we give the finger to ATX now than it's definitely time for a new layout definition for all components.
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Quarnozian
I love when the removable filter is so close to the fans it's almost being sucked into the blades. No sarcasm. Having the filter that close means the fan HAS to suck the exterior air into the case. The fan can't just recirculate the warm interior air back into the case, because the warm air would have to pass backwards through that same mesh without the assistance of a fan. (Maybe a little will pass through and be recirculated. but not anything significant)
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I love when the removable filter is so close to the fans it's almost being sucked into the blades. No sarcasm. Having the filter that close means the fan HAS to suck the exterior air into the case. The fan can't just recirculate the warm interior air back into the case, because the warm air would have to pass backwards through that same mesh without the assistance of a fan. (Maybe a little will pass through and be recirculated. but not anything significant)
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Rous
Wish I had known this airflow version of the Pure Base 500 was coming out last month when I purchased the regular version. Airflow on the regular Pure Base 500 is awful, and to make it worse the case isn't even quiet. The stock 140mm fans spin at low rpm, but make a buzzing sound, and the sound dampening material doesn't do anything. It's just as loud on the side with the closed panel with dampening material as it is on the side with the glass panel
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Wish I had known this airflow version of the Pure Base 500 was coming out last month when I purchased the regular version. Airflow on the regular Pure Base 500 is awful, and to make it worse the case isn't even quiet. The stock 140mm fans spin at low rpm, but make a buzzing sound, and the sound dampening material doesn't do anything. It's just as loud on the side with the closed panel with dampening material as it is on the side with the glass panel
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