Round 4: Is Intel Actually Screwed? ft. Gordon of PC World
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Date: 2023-06-08
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Haplo
I am going to watch the video but after the intro I wanted to comment and say yes I am going to buy Nvidia next time. We can't change parts and build new PC easily here in my country, so I can never say let's try this one once even if the specs are way better in the papers and when it come to specs/price, AMD was almost always better in the papers. Yet I am going to buy Nvidia again when my RTX 2060 6G dies one day.
Before start why, I must say that I am AMD fanboy when it comes to CPU. Only my first PC before 2003 was Pentium II then I switched to AMD in 2003 with Athlon II. AMD specs was always better when you compare the same price band cpu. I had no issues with cpu so I choose to buy better specs for the same price in 2013 with FX, and 2018 with Ryzen. And I am still okay going with AMD cpu next time I build new PC because Intel is expensive and AMD gives better specs for the same price band.
But when it comes to GPU, AMD still gives better specs for the same price band BUT two of my friends went with the AMD gpu and one bought AMD graphic embedded cpu because he hadn't enough money to buy an external gpu at the time. They all having a error/issue called wattman where your screens goes black, driver stops working and you kicked out of apps and games. They reinstall the driver to fix the issue temporarily and always keep the driver setup in their desktops. One even have said he got the wattman error while browing internet in chrome. They all cursing about it. After seeing them, there is no way I am going to try AMD gpu ever because as you see, once we buy a part, we can't change it for 5-10 years at least even if we hate it because you can literally pay 10 months of rent instead of upgrading only a GPU with RTX 4070, and 20 months if it's 4080. Which means you will be in debt for like 2 years (depends on your build) if you ever build a new PC.
Therefore, I can't risk it even if it's meaning I am buying a low spec old gen Nvidia instead of high spec AMD for the same price, I can't risk having a chronic and constant issues like that. So I will keep buying Nvidia GPU and support with AMD cpu.
Now I'm going back to the video.
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I am going to watch the video but after the intro I wanted to comment and say yes I am going to buy Nvidia next time. We can't change parts and build new PC easily here in my country, so I can never say let's try this one once even if the specs are way better in the papers and when it come to specs/price, AMD was almost always better in the papers. Yet I am going to buy Nvidia again when my RTX 2060 6G dies one day.
Before start why, I must say that I am AMD fanboy when it comes to CPU. Only my first PC before 2003 was Pentium II then I switched to AMD in 2003 with Athlon II. AMD specs was always better when you compare the same price band cpu. I had no issues with cpu so I choose to buy better specs for the same price in 2013 with FX, and 2018 with Ryzen. And I am still okay going with AMD cpu next time I build new PC because Intel is expensive and AMD gives better specs for the same price band.
But when it comes to GPU, AMD still gives better specs for the same price band BUT two of my friends went with the AMD gpu and one bought AMD graphic embedded cpu because he hadn't enough money to buy an external gpu at the time. They all having a error/issue called wattman where your screens goes black, driver stops working and you kicked out of apps and games. They reinstall the driver to fix the issue temporarily and always keep the driver setup in their desktops. One even have said he got the wattman error while browing internet in chrome. They all cursing about it. After seeing them, there is no way I am going to try AMD gpu ever because as you see, once we buy a part, we can't change it for 5-10 years at least even if we hate it because you can literally pay 10 months of rent instead of upgrading only a GPU with RTX 4070, and 20 months if it's 4080. Which means you will be in debt for like 2 years (depends on your build) if you ever build a new PC.
Therefore, I can't risk it even if it's meaning I am buying a low spec old gen Nvidia instead of high spec AMD for the same price, I can't risk having a chronic and constant issues like that. So I will keep buying Nvidia GPU and support with AMD cpu.
Now I'm going back to the video.
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parowOOz
Gordon is spot on - the vast majority of ppl do not put their money where their mouth is. Most criticizing NVIDIA's recent pricing only do so because they want a GeForce card for less. They won't even consider buying AMD and then they are outraged because NVIDIA starts to milk them hard. YOU are the problem. YOU are the reason we are where we are with GPU prices. Congratulate YOURSELVES on this awesome achievement.
When I saw what NVIDIA was doing, I decided to get an AMD equivalent card for whatever the money I was willing to spend. Got myself a 7900XT for 740+VAT (cause EU) and I am a happy camper. Also convinced one friend to buy the same 7900XT. Then another was pondering buying a 3060Ti so I showed him the comparison HUB did with 3070 vs 6800. He went and bought a 6700XT after that. And now, since I am building PCs for my clients, I've started to put way more AMD GPUs in their systems. I do have to have a word or two with them, because normies only know GeForce and RTX , but when they see the performance figures, most agree that AMD is a better value.
Vote with your wallets and sooner or later, they will have to lower their prices. If you don't, you have no right to whine about thew state of things.
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Gordon is spot on - the vast majority of ppl do not put their money where their mouth is. Most criticizing NVIDIA's recent pricing only do so because they want a GeForce card for less. They won't even consider buying AMD and then they are outraged because NVIDIA starts to milk them hard. YOU are the problem. YOU are the reason we are where we are with GPU prices. Congratulate YOURSELVES on this awesome achievement.
When I saw what NVIDIA was doing, I decided to get an AMD equivalent card for whatever the money I was willing to spend. Got myself a 7900XT for 740+VAT (cause EU) and I am a happy camper. Also convinced one friend to buy the same 7900XT. Then another was pondering buying a 3060Ti so I showed him the comparison HUB did with 3070 vs 6800. He went and bought a 6700XT after that. And now, since I am building PCs for my clients, I've started to put way more AMD GPUs in their systems. I do have to have a word or two with them, because normies only know GeForce and RTX , but when they see the performance figures, most agree that AMD is a better value.
Vote with your wallets and sooner or later, they will have to lower their prices. If you don't, you have no right to whine about thew state of things.
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TheCell
The sad thing is this: I had gotten myself a 5700XT to replace my broken EVGA 980ti, and it worked fine for the most part. But after around one year I had constant Black Screens (from once a week up to four times a day), which the vendor couldn't figure out. But I had no problems with a replacement card, but my father had problems when we tested the 5700XT in his PC.
Later I got myself a reduced (and still far too overpriced) 3070ti, because if I was going to replace my AMD card, I was upgrading. Period.
No problems ever since. No Black Screens, no crashes, nothing.
Then I thought about upgrading to the 7900XTX, which was such an improvement, until I started playing VR...
Back the GPU went.
So far I only had problems with any and all ATI and AMD cards so far.
Only card that ever really full broke was the 980ti, because the water pump died.
I keep checking for AMD driver release notes, if they managed to fix the VR issues, and I might give them another chance.
But until then I'll go for Nvidia, if the prices decline, or a new generation forces the prices down.
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The sad thing is this: I had gotten myself a 5700XT to replace my broken EVGA 980ti, and it worked fine for the most part. But after around one year I had constant Black Screens (from once a week up to four times a day), which the vendor couldn't figure out. But I had no problems with a replacement card, but my father had problems when we tested the 5700XT in his PC.
Later I got myself a reduced (and still far too overpriced) 3070ti, because if I was going to replace my AMD card, I was upgrading. Period.
No problems ever since. No Black Screens, no crashes, nothing.
Then I thought about upgrading to the 7900XTX, which was such an improvement, until I started playing VR...
Back the GPU went.
So far I only had problems with any and all ATI and AMD cards so far.
Only card that ever really full broke was the 980ti, because the water pump died.
I keep checking for AMD driver release notes, if they managed to fix the VR issues, and I might give them another chance.
But until then I'll go for Nvidia, if the prices decline, or a new generation forces the prices down.
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Ardgal
The answer with AMD Radeon is pretty easy - they've destroyed a lot of goodwill for people willing to consider it by shipping for a very extended period of time absolutely trash drivers that everyone knew were trash but AMD refused to do anything to fix them. Just in the last week there was again news about how AMD's drivers are not playing well with Windows and Windows just kept replacing the AMD drivers with old ones or something. Last time I tried installing AMD drivers on Windows it required me to reboot the system multiple times, when Nvidia doesn't require me to reboot a single time.
When people experience that kind of lack of respect to the user, they are going to be turned off from the brand from a long time, no matter what the raw performance or performance per dollar is.
AMD: Fire your entire Radeon driver team, rebuild something stable and solid, then advertise that, WITH the good performance, and maybe people will seriously reconsider.
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The answer with AMD Radeon is pretty easy - they've destroyed a lot of goodwill for people willing to consider it by shipping for a very extended period of time absolutely trash drivers that everyone knew were trash but AMD refused to do anything to fix them. Just in the last week there was again news about how AMD's drivers are not playing well with Windows and Windows just kept replacing the AMD drivers with old ones or something. Last time I tried installing AMD drivers on Windows it required me to reboot the system multiple times, when Nvidia doesn't require me to reboot a single time.
When people experience that kind of lack of respect to the user, they are going to be turned off from the brand from a long time, no matter what the raw performance or performance per dollar is.
AMD: Fire your entire Radeon driver team, rebuild something stable and solid, then advertise that, WITH the good performance, and maybe people will seriously reconsider.
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Winter
I'll fully admit I'm guilty of the buy Nvidia anyway thing. To me it's not the fact that I've had a decent experience with their GPUs overall, it's getting over that one terrible experience with an AMD GPU.
Despite objectively knowing that was well over a decade ago and even others at the time didn't experience the same issues, with a sample size of basically n=1.
The problem with insisting on value and performance is that, while correct, it will have been those exact same arguments that pushed me to try something other than Nvidia in the first place.
Having said all that I have ended up with a Zen 2 system after a similar experience with an Athlon ages ago, even before the GPU. I guess it takes about 20 years for me to be willing to put some trust in a company again. Which maybe wouldn't be so much of a problem if we weren't dealing with a market with such limited number of manufacturers that excluding one simply means you're buying the other.
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I'll fully admit I'm guilty of the buy Nvidia anyway thing. To me it's not the fact that I've had a decent experience with their GPUs overall, it's getting over that one terrible experience with an AMD GPU.
Despite objectively knowing that was well over a decade ago and even others at the time didn't experience the same issues, with a sample size of basically n=1.
The problem with insisting on value and performance is that, while correct, it will have been those exact same arguments that pushed me to try something other than Nvidia in the first place.
Having said all that I have ended up with a Zen 2 system after a similar experience with an Athlon ages ago, even before the GPU. I guess it takes about 20 years for me to be willing to put some trust in a company again. Which maybe wouldn't be so much of a problem if we weren't dealing with a market with such limited number of manufacturers that excluding one simply means you're buying the other.
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MrArrmageddon
I will confess I will pretty much pay whatever price I have to in order to get a GPU I want. I don't openly say this to often because I would love Nvdia to believe different. My computer is everything I only get a new one every 4-6 years. When I spend the big money I like having an Nvidia GPU. Why? Because DLSS is the best, and many of the none gaming applications I use do not even work on AMD or ARC or if they do it takes a long time or the support is limited. At least I am not a hypocrite I do not say don't buy Nvida and then go buy it myself. I'm in camp were I don't like the pricing. And there are some Nvidia GPU's that are god awful I would not buy them. I can't afford a 4090 but I bought a 4080. It's an amazing GPU. No complaints other than the size and price. lol Nvidia will be fine for the near future. People will still buy the products they desire the most. And they are making billions off of AI.
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I will confess I will pretty much pay whatever price I have to in order to get a GPU I want. I don't openly say this to often because I would love Nvdia to believe different. My computer is everything I only get a new one every 4-6 years. When I spend the big money I like having an Nvidia GPU. Why? Because DLSS is the best, and many of the none gaming applications I use do not even work on AMD or ARC or if they do it takes a long time or the support is limited. At least I am not a hypocrite I do not say don't buy Nvida and then go buy it myself. I'm in camp were I don't like the pricing. And there are some Nvidia GPU's that are god awful I would not buy them. I can't afford a 4090 but I bought a 4080. It's an amazing GPU. No complaints other than the size and price. lol Nvidia will be fine for the near future. People will still buy the products they desire the most. And they are making billions off of AI.
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Jack_Dangerous
tbh the internet doesn't really disagree, but the non-enthusiast people all over the world which make a large part of the overall purchases, they all want a GEFORCE graphics card because they're the best , they all think they have a high end pre-built PC simply because they have a Geforce in it, even if it is a 1050, hey, they asked for a good but cheap computer at the store and the employee who usually sells vacuum cleaners and toasters said the Geforce graphics card is amazing.
nVidia is like Apple, they have a brand that people know and usually associate it with being Good because it's expensive and famous . Both AMD and nVidia have good and bad products, but that's irrelevant to the normal non-enthusiasts who buy all the pre-builts at stores all over the world.
And with this post i spent all the quotation mark budget for the year.
TL:DR: GODDAMN NORMIES! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-
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tbh the internet doesn't really disagree, but the non-enthusiast people all over the world which make a large part of the overall purchases, they all want a GEFORCE graphics card because they're the best , they all think they have a high end pre-built PC simply because they have a Geforce in it, even if it is a 1050, hey, they asked for a good but cheap computer at the store and the employee who usually sells vacuum cleaners and toasters said the Geforce graphics card is amazing.
nVidia is like Apple, they have a brand that people know and usually associate it with being Good because it's expensive and famous . Both AMD and nVidia have good and bad products, but that's irrelevant to the normal non-enthusiasts who buy all the pre-builts at stores all over the world.
And with this post i spent all the quotation mark budget for the year.
TL:DR: GODDAMN NORMIES! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-
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Ryo
I kept bouncing back and forth between Radeon and Nvidia for quite a while going all the way back to the GeForce MX 440 and ATI Radeon 9200 cards and I never understood the buzz around Nvidia cards. They were okay cards most of the time but a significantly worse value compared to Radeon cards. I always felt and still feel that the performance of Nvidia cards does not justify their price tags. So I went team red since the RX 400 series and never looked back. But what about the driver issues with Radeon cards you might ask, I could count on one hand how many times I experienced anything abnormal with the drivers. And I use my PC a lot and I also game a lot. I also don't care about DLSS or FSR or raytracing, I prefer native resolutions with the traditional TAA or MSAA.
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I kept bouncing back and forth between Radeon and Nvidia for quite a while going all the way back to the GeForce MX 440 and ATI Radeon 9200 cards and I never understood the buzz around Nvidia cards. They were okay cards most of the time but a significantly worse value compared to Radeon cards. I always felt and still feel that the performance of Nvidia cards does not justify their price tags. So I went team red since the RX 400 series and never looked back. But what about the driver issues with Radeon cards you might ask, I could count on one hand how many times I experienced anything abnormal with the drivers. And I use my PC a lot and I also game a lot. I also don't care about DLSS or FSR or raytracing, I prefer native resolutions with the traditional TAA or MSAA.
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aika
My 7700K build is still running, but my R7 1700 build has long ago fallen apart, the B350 boards (had to swap those 3 times) was a quality control nightmare, and the gaming performance for the 1700 was horrid and bottlenecked even my GTX1070 back in the days. If I bought it at MSRP ( 330) on release it would have been the worst value ever, good thing I got it a year later for 120 and made it worthwhile to experiment, btw I got my 7700K for 270 back in 2017. AMD needs to deliver real value, but they want to be scalpers like nVidia and want to rob people like Intel. There is no good reason to go AMD for their products at MSRP ever! Prices needs to be lower to start with, AMD needs to bring on the price war to show gamers that they are actually worth buying!
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My 7700K build is still running, but my R7 1700 build has long ago fallen apart, the B350 boards (had to swap those 3 times) was a quality control nightmare, and the gaming performance for the 1700 was horrid and bottlenecked even my GTX1070 back in the days. If I bought it at MSRP ( 330) on release it would have been the worst value ever, good thing I got it a year later for 120 and made it worthwhile to experiment, btw I got my 7700K for 270 back in 2017. AMD needs to deliver real value, but they want to be scalpers like nVidia and want to rob people like Intel. There is no good reason to go AMD for their products at MSRP ever! Prices needs to be lower to start with, AMD needs to bring on the price war to show gamers that they are actually worth buying!
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Ed
Last month, I decided to buy a new video card and I noticed the Arc 770 was being offered at the same price as the RX 6600. I was seriously thinking about getting the Arc 770 but then I read this in the product description: Intel Arc Graphics products require Resizable BAR enabled for optimal performance and as I had no idea if that feature was possible to enable on my B450 board, I decided to get the RX6600 instead. Upon further investigation, I discovered it was possible to enable this feature as I enabled it for my RX 6600 (Called Smart Access Memory) but as I already had received my AMD card, and as it was greatly superior to my old card, I stuck with it, but I am thinking I should have got the A770 and would probably have had even better results.
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Last month, I decided to buy a new video card and I noticed the Arc 770 was being offered at the same price as the RX 6600. I was seriously thinking about getting the Arc 770 but then I read this in the product description: Intel Arc Graphics products require Resizable BAR enabled for optimal performance and as I had no idea if that feature was possible to enable on my B450 board, I decided to get the RX6600 instead. Upon further investigation, I discovered it was possible to enable this feature as I enabled it for my RX 6600 (Called Smart Access Memory) but as I already had received my AMD card, and as it was greatly superior to my old card, I stuck with it, but I am thinking I should have got the A770 and would probably have had even better results.
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Liam_Oliver
Love it when you two get together! Always amusing!
I haven't had a GPU in my PC since my 1070 died 2 years ago, you know, when prices were a bit radio, and they're still mental and I was sickened when Nvidia hocked their prices this gen (which is because people were willing to pay so far over the odds in the mining wars) AMD are guilty of this too, but pretending to be the good guys by undercutting team green.
As I'm English if there's an underdog to route for I'm there so I'll probably end up with an Arc GPU, unless Intel give up on it (because, effort?). But then, I have a PS5 that fulfills my requirements just fine right now so I'm not in any rush to pay upwards of double what a product should cost.
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Love it when you two get together! Always amusing!
I haven't had a GPU in my PC since my 1070 died 2 years ago, you know, when prices were a bit radio, and they're still mental and I was sickened when Nvidia hocked their prices this gen (which is because people were willing to pay so far over the odds in the mining wars) AMD are guilty of this too, but pretending to be the good guys by undercutting team green.
As I'm English if there's an underdog to route for I'm there so I'll probably end up with an Arc GPU, unless Intel give up on it (because, effort?). But then, I have a PS5 that fulfills my requirements just fine right now so I'm not in any rush to pay upwards of double what a product should cost.
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Dwayne
Its funny to me as you mentioned the average pc buyer doesn't know who you are, as I'm not a amazing pc builder I learned from watching you and jay and a lot of my friends come to me to ask for help in building a pc and I always say the same thing look for the parts your interested in and then go find a review you've done on that product as not only do you review the product fantastically but you also recommend products that are better so once they've seen your stuff I and picked their parts I tell them to watch jay on how to build the pc. Gamers nexus for the product reviews so you get the best item, jay for how to build. If more people knew about you the pc community would benefit massively.
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Its funny to me as you mentioned the average pc buyer doesn't know who you are, as I'm not a amazing pc builder I learned from watching you and jay and a lot of my friends come to me to ask for help in building a pc and I always say the same thing look for the parts your interested in and then go find a review you've done on that product as not only do you review the product fantastically but you also recommend products that are better so once they've seen your stuff I and picked their parts I tell them to watch jay on how to build the pc. Gamers nexus for the product reviews so you get the best item, jay for how to build. If more people knew about you the pc community would benefit massively.
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MrLes
5:40 Yes Steve, it's fair to dismiss features like DLSS3. I'm still rocking an RX580 8G and I have access to _similar_ features, but I don't use them. I don't use them for the same reason I turn off features like motion blur and depth-of-field - they're bandages for poor performance and give sub-par image quality.
I'd rather turn graphics down than play a fuzzy, blurry game. And if I owned a 3060, why on earth would I spend hundreds of dollars on a new GPU that gives absolutely no performance increase? Hell, the performance of the new low/mid tier GPUs is so poor vs cost that I can't even justify it to myself to replace my RX580 with one.
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5:40 Yes Steve, it's fair to dismiss features like DLSS3. I'm still rocking an RX580 8G and I have access to _similar_ features, but I don't use them. I don't use them for the same reason I turn off features like motion blur and depth-of-field - they're bandages for poor performance and give sub-par image quality.
I'd rather turn graphics down than play a fuzzy, blurry game. And if I owned a 3060, why on earth would I spend hundreds of dollars on a new GPU that gives absolutely no performance increase? Hell, the performance of the new low/mid tier GPUs is so poor vs cost that I can't even justify it to myself to replace my RX580 with one.
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theRemedy
Intel Arc could very well be canceled (they basically cancelled the division already), but still have stuff already in the pipeline for Battlemage and Celestial. Driver support probably wont be going anywhere regardless since the same type of execution units are being used in their APUs. So those drivers will probably be inclusive of any dedicated GPUs on desktop for quite a while.
If anything I would expect Battlemage and possibly Celestial to come out with some lower end stuff...but I highly doubt that Arc will have a solid midrange offering that can challenge the current gen coming from AMD and Nvidia.
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Intel Arc could very well be canceled (they basically cancelled the division already), but still have stuff already in the pipeline for Battlemage and Celestial. Driver support probably wont be going anywhere regardless since the same type of execution units are being used in their APUs. So those drivers will probably be inclusive of any dedicated GPUs on desktop for quite a while.
If anything I would expect Battlemage and possibly Celestial to come out with some lower end stuff...but I highly doubt that Arc will have a solid midrange offering that can challenge the current gen coming from AMD and Nvidia.
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Jonathan
I think a big problem AMD have had on the graphics card side in recent years is the first impression . Normal consumers might look up a quick review or two see a few bad headlines and then wright AMD off. There range of cards are great value now, but at launch were lackluster, which is reflected in the launch reviews, the most likely to be seen on a quick search. I'm sure AMD could nibble away at Nvida's market share somewhat, but they need to get the launch drivers and pricing right. It's no good fixing it after launch, the first impression has already been blown and it's too late.
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I think a big problem AMD have had on the graphics card side in recent years is the first impression . Normal consumers might look up a quick review or two see a few bad headlines and then wright AMD off. There range of cards are great value now, but at launch were lackluster, which is reflected in the launch reviews, the most likely to be seen on a quick search. I'm sure AMD could nibble away at Nvida's market share somewhat, but they need to get the launch drivers and pricing right. It's no good fixing it after launch, the first impression has already been blown and it's too late.
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Jimmy
I wish people would stop hating on Nvidia just to be different. Especially since by doing so they end up doing what everyone else is doing and so become normal. All while they still buy Nvidia because ultimately Nvidia makes the best products.
Nvidia makes better products technically
Nvidia makes more reliable products
Nvidia has infinitely better driver support especially for smaller games
Nvidia lie less
Nvidia actually push progress rather than making scams like Vulkan
Etc. As much as Nvidia are an evil corporation, they're better than their competitor.
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I wish people would stop hating on Nvidia just to be different. Especially since by doing so they end up doing what everyone else is doing and so become normal. All while they still buy Nvidia because ultimately Nvidia makes the best products.
Nvidia makes better products technically
Nvidia makes more reliable products
Nvidia has infinitely better driver support especially for smaller games
Nvidia lie less
Nvidia actually push progress rather than making scams like Vulkan
Etc. As much as Nvidia are an evil corporation, they're better than their competitor.
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Jack
Last year, I had to buy a new graphics card for my PC. I would have LOVED to get an Intel Arc for this potato. But, as you guys rightfully pointed out, I bought nVidia. Granted, it was a 3050 after the prices started coming down. (Think I paid 300 US for it.), but I didn't even bother buying AMD. I couldn't go Arc because of the requirements for Adjustable BAR. (3rd Gen Intel doesn't support it.) I need to build a new PC (and save up for the final two years of my daughter's college education... Ouch), so we'll see what goes in. I'm thinking a Team Red build.
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Last year, I had to buy a new graphics card for my PC. I would have LOVED to get an Intel Arc for this potato. But, as you guys rightfully pointed out, I bought nVidia. Granted, it was a 3050 after the prices started coming down. (Think I paid 300 US for it.), but I didn't even bother buying AMD. I couldn't go Arc because of the requirements for Adjustable BAR. (3rd Gen Intel doesn't support it.) I need to build a new PC (and save up for the final two years of my daughter's college education... Ouch), so we'll see what goes in. I'm thinking a Team Red build.
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Abuelord
tbh, I've been an AMD fanboy for over 14 years. However, after my experience with the 6950 xt and the issues that were driver related which dated back to the 5700, I threw in the towel and went with NVIDIA despite the price. I had to get a refund on the 6950 after 5 months of back and forth, it was quite painful and I spent another 200 on a new PSU/cables because alot of the claims were that my 850W PSU was not enough. Bottom line, when a company provides peace of mind with their drivers and has constant updates quickly, it really makes a difference.
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tbh, I've been an AMD fanboy for over 14 years. However, after my experience with the 6950 xt and the issues that were driver related which dated back to the 5700, I threw in the towel and went with NVIDIA despite the price. I had to get a refund on the 6950 after 5 months of back and forth, it was quite painful and I spent another 200 on a new PSU/cables because alot of the claims were that my 850W PSU was not enough. Bottom line, when a company provides peace of mind with their drivers and has constant updates quickly, it really makes a difference.
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The
i paid 1100 dollars for a 3070. i just upgraded to a 4080 for 1300 dollars. i didn't feel like spending a thousand bucks on the value option just to run into amd issues. I'm not super technical so even one little thing going wrong with my pc can really throw me for a loop. i would get a 4090 but thats a bigger uptick in cost than people like to acknowledge. then let's talk about noise. because if noise is a concern than there are no reference models even on the table for any brand. the value proposition is not as clean cut for me as it is for these guys.
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i paid 1100 dollars for a 3070. i just upgraded to a 4080 for 1300 dollars. i didn't feel like spending a thousand bucks on the value option just to run into amd issues. I'm not super technical so even one little thing going wrong with my pc can really throw me for a loop. i would get a 4090 but thats a bigger uptick in cost than people like to acknowledge. then let's talk about noise. because if noise is a concern than there are no reference models even on the table for any brand. the value proposition is not as clean cut for me as it is for these guys.
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kungfujesus06
I mean ARC would be a compelling card for budget users if they could make the drivers perform in the absence in resizable BAR. That is hog tying users to PCI Express 3.0 platforms that have it. Yes that goes back a bit, but not really quite as far back as a machine a budget user might have. A Haswell CPU is quite performant still, but no z77 chipset is going to support rebar. Neither will IvyBridge/IvyBridge-E. So if a user wants to make a budget or secondary gaming rig, they pretty much have to buy AMD or a few generations old NVidia.
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I mean ARC would be a compelling card for budget users if they could make the drivers perform in the absence in resizable BAR. That is hog tying users to PCI Express 3.0 platforms that have it. Yes that goes back a bit, but not really quite as far back as a machine a budget user might have. A Haswell CPU is quite performant still, but no z77 chipset is going to support rebar. Neither will IvyBridge/IvyBridge-E. So if a user wants to make a budget or secondary gaming rig, they pretty much have to buy AMD or a few generations old NVidia.
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