HW News - Intel Xe HP GPU, NVIDIA Ampere GPUs, AMD CPU Sales Up, Semi-Custom Down
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Date: 2020-05-06
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CITYOFHEROES
Sorry I have been out of touch. my GTA V died on me. then I had to remove it. then the download took a month in a half that did not work. my internet iis connected to my data plan that is on my cell phone. its so slow. its worse then the 1980's Dial up 56K its slower. 8K so Rockstar games kicked me out. by the way that photo with that kitten playing with a XBOX ONE X game pad that is so cute! back to Rockstar games I been yelling at them to send me the entire discs. too big of a download to do. and it dose not work. when the download crashed. all the download that took all month gets deleted then I have to start all over again from scratch. for the love of god do NOT DO BUSIENSS WITH Rockstar games THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF HELL its so bad that my windows that was installed on to my NVME died along with GTA V/ GTA ONLINE. its a nightmare to waste 4 years on GTA ONLIONE going though all the pain abnd ROCKSRART GAMES hare there customers. I been watching youtube videos on the hell hole of ROCKSTAR GAMES. WORST F CKED UP CUSTOMER RELATIONS. the new ROCKSRAR LAUNCHER that done last year made it worse for ROCKSTAR GAMES. RD2 was a hell hole. cannot download anything right. if any games gets downloaded the ROCKSRAT GAMES LAUNCHER dose not boot up the game. laucn for RD2 is a nightmare. crashing payments on ordering RD2 that special one that cost something like 180. 00 the payment did not go though. then the customers gets socked buying it three t times to 10 times if the payment with ROCKSRAR FAMES crash do not try it again. contact your bank and file a dispute on the charge. once the money goes out even with a transaction crashed the money gets lost in limbo. and hand it over to ROCKSRAT AGMES and there is no refund. I doing a public service for you to let you know. my windows that was installed died on me due to ROCKSTAR GAMES then I had to install windows 10 times to clean out all there virus used to protect there copy right. WINDOWS DEFENDER dose not work on those cases. Noe of the virus killers do not work on that. I am dealing with a pain in the ass that a pain killer dose not work have nice day
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Sorry I have been out of touch. my GTA V died on me. then I had to remove it. then the download took a month in a half that did not work. my internet iis connected to my data plan that is on my cell phone. its so slow. its worse then the 1980's Dial up 56K its slower. 8K so Rockstar games kicked me out. by the way that photo with that kitten playing with a XBOX ONE X game pad that is so cute! back to Rockstar games I been yelling at them to send me the entire discs. too big of a download to do. and it dose not work. when the download crashed. all the download that took all month gets deleted then I have to start all over again from scratch. for the love of god do NOT DO BUSIENSS WITH Rockstar games THAT HAVE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF HELL its so bad that my windows that was installed on to my NVME died along with GTA V/ GTA ONLINE. its a nightmare to waste 4 years on GTA ONLIONE going though all the pain abnd ROCKSRART GAMES hare there customers. I been watching youtube videos on the hell hole of ROCKSTAR GAMES. WORST F CKED UP CUSTOMER RELATIONS. the new ROCKSRAR LAUNCHER that done last year made it worse for ROCKSTAR GAMES. RD2 was a hell hole. cannot download anything right. if any games gets downloaded the ROCKSRAT GAMES LAUNCHER dose not boot up the game. laucn for RD2 is a nightmare. crashing payments on ordering RD2 that special one that cost something like 180. 00 the payment did not go though. then the customers gets socked buying it three t times to 10 times if the payment with ROCKSRAR FAMES crash do not try it again. contact your bank and file a dispute on the charge. once the money goes out even with a transaction crashed the money gets lost in limbo. and hand it over to ROCKSRAT AGMES and there is no refund. I doing a public service for you to let you know. my windows that was installed died on me due to ROCKSTAR GAMES then I had to install windows 10 times to clean out all there virus used to protect there copy right. WINDOWS DEFENDER dose not work on those cases. Noe of the virus killers do not work on that. I am dealing with a pain in the ass that a pain killer dose not work have nice day
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Speak
I am actually very happy for AMD to make loads of money right now even if that means they charge a little more for products than we are normally used to from AMD or what we would have seen if Intel were still relevant. In the short term we are a little out of pocket but in the long term I think this is the best thing that could happen for customer pricing. AMD desperately needed money and not just a little bit to keep going like they would have got if Intel was still better and AMD had to compete only on price like they normally are forced to do. But now that AMD has been making never before seen amounts of money for them they can afford to invest in the future, they can run those R&D projects, have two independent teams running concurrently to leap frog each other, make inroads into the GPU world again, etc, etc. We both know Intel will come back at some point, Rocket Lake using Willow Cove later this year should be a decent jump in performance as long as the backporting process goes ok. Alder Lake next year (maybe still Willow but hopefully Golden Cove) could be good but right now just sounds odd for the desktop if it really is big. LITTLE design, I still have my doubts. But then 2022 Intel should be on 7nm and Meteor Lake will/should be Intel back on track. Then we have Ocean Cove coming which is a pure Jim Keller architecture and given the resources he will have been given at Intel compared to any of his other companies could mean it's going to be something truly amazing. So I think not only does AMD need to push as hard and as fast as they can right now but I also think they need and have to make as much profit as they can whilst still winning market share and the 'hearts and minds' of customers so that they have the money, resources, R&D, engineering teams, etc to be able to fight Intel in the future. It's then that we will see amazing products at competitive prices. Zen 5 vs Meteor Lake is where the fight begins and where we need two healthy companies with plenty of money so they don't need to over change for their products just to keep their head above water.
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I am actually very happy for AMD to make loads of money right now even if that means they charge a little more for products than we are normally used to from AMD or what we would have seen if Intel were still relevant. In the short term we are a little out of pocket but in the long term I think this is the best thing that could happen for customer pricing. AMD desperately needed money and not just a little bit to keep going like they would have got if Intel was still better and AMD had to compete only on price like they normally are forced to do. But now that AMD has been making never before seen amounts of money for them they can afford to invest in the future, they can run those R&D projects, have two independent teams running concurrently to leap frog each other, make inroads into the GPU world again, etc, etc. We both know Intel will come back at some point, Rocket Lake using Willow Cove later this year should be a decent jump in performance as long as the backporting process goes ok. Alder Lake next year (maybe still Willow but hopefully Golden Cove) could be good but right now just sounds odd for the desktop if it really is big. LITTLE design, I still have my doubts. But then 2022 Intel should be on 7nm and Meteor Lake will/should be Intel back on track. Then we have Ocean Cove coming which is a pure Jim Keller architecture and given the resources he will have been given at Intel compared to any of his other companies could mean it's going to be something truly amazing. So I think not only does AMD need to push as hard and as fast as they can right now but I also think they need and have to make as much profit as they can whilst still winning market share and the 'hearts and minds' of customers so that they have the money, resources, R&D, engineering teams, etc to be able to fight Intel in the future. It's then that we will see amazing products at competitive prices. Zen 5 vs Meteor Lake is where the fight begins and where we need two healthy companies with plenty of money so they don't need to over change for their products just to keep their head above water.
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Bob
Not exclusively picking on Toshiba, but they were the one in this particular episode. But: How do HDD manufactures say with a straight face that a surveillance drive is not a write-intensive workload? That's what those drives do, 24/7. OTOH, in my NAS I wouldn't be overly opposed to SMR on two of the three arrays, since they might as well be WORM storage for how infrequently data gets changed on them. I don't have a problem with marketing materials having a layman's orientation with general usage suggestions, but product data sheets should contain specifics for those of us who want to dig into it further to tailor products to our particular use cases.
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Not exclusively picking on Toshiba, but they were the one in this particular episode. But: How do HDD manufactures say with a straight face that a surveillance drive is not a write-intensive workload? That's what those drives do, 24/7. OTOH, in my NAS I wouldn't be overly opposed to SMR on two of the three arrays, since they might as well be WORM storage for how infrequently data gets changed on them. I don't have a problem with marketing materials having a layman's orientation with general usage suggestions, but product data sheets should contain specifics for those of us who want to dig into it further to tailor products to our particular use cases.
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Lantti
It seems, that nanometers matter more in desktop-usage and laptops ofc than in servers. Usually, in the server world, one has some kind of idea, how much and what kind of 'power' one needs. Then there might be some kind of competition between vendors, or not. It depends. And after many tears, on decides. Storage, cores/threads, network, maybe size matters, sometimes even noise. Nowadays also GPU-power. Not in that particular order in many cases, but there are needs and budget, which one has to exceed at least 10%, cause it's the rule. Then one has Intel platinum or something and he or she tries to get by with those.
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It seems, that nanometers matter more in desktop-usage and laptops ofc than in servers. Usually, in the server world, one has some kind of idea, how much and what kind of 'power' one needs. Then there might be some kind of competition between vendors, or not. It depends. And after many tears, on decides. Storage, cores/threads, network, maybe size matters, sometimes even noise. Nowadays also GPU-power. Not in that particular order in many cases, but there are needs and budget, which one has to exceed at least 10%, cause it's the rule. Then one has Intel platinum or something and he or she tries to get by with those.
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Austin
I had Fedora 17 on my desktop, and the last update for the version broke it. The file explorer would freeze the entire system if I merely selected a file over 2GB in size. I eventually installed Fedora 21. It had all kinds of issues. One was a GPU driver issue. I fixed it, and it randomly broke again at a later time, not after an update or anything. And, I could not find a fix for it. I need a computer for working, not for tinkering away my time. So, I use Windows for my desktop (I have a server running FreeNAS, though. TL; DR: I would not suggest a Fedora laptop.
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I had Fedora 17 on my desktop, and the last update for the version broke it. The file explorer would freeze the entire system if I merely selected a file over 2GB in size. I eventually installed Fedora 21. It had all kinds of issues. One was a GPU driver issue. I fixed it, and it randomly broke again at a later time, not after an update or anything. And, I could not find a fix for it. I need a computer for working, not for tinkering away my time. So, I use Windows for my desktop (I have a server running FreeNAS, though. TL; DR: I would not suggest a Fedora laptop.
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Josua
Do you think Nvidia will release their Ampere GPU in the midst of the human malware though? I mean, everyone's a bit tight on their money management in this hard times, so yeah, it'll be really hard to convince consumers that they need and want a 1000 + GPU to game with ray tracing and DLSS when they can't even pay their rent and employees, or don't get paid by their boss, even worse, got laid off thanks to the malware. I think late 2020 or 2021 release would make much more sense for Ampere gaming lineup though. How do you think or feel about this?
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Do you think Nvidia will release their Ampere GPU in the midst of the human malware though? I mean, everyone's a bit tight on their money management in this hard times, so yeah, it'll be really hard to convince consumers that they need and want a 1000 + GPU to game with ray tracing and DLSS when they can't even pay their rent and employees, or don't get paid by their boss, even worse, got laid off thanks to the malware. I think late 2020 or 2021 release would make much more sense for Ampere gaming lineup though. How do you think or feel about this?
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Georg
For once a manufactuer just sticks with a naming scheme like we always asked them to and suddenly everyone has nothing better to do then give them a hard time about it? Ok it is actually dumb, to use the exact same number (10900) for two products. But still I am very happy that intel just kept increasing the numbers to 10xxx instead of calling it The new i7 or something more akin to apple&co. I can only hope they will stick with it and call their next generation 11xxx and NOT 20xxx. Looking forward to the Eleventy-nine-ninety-key-eff.
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For once a manufactuer just sticks with a naming scheme like we always asked them to and suddenly everyone has nothing better to do then give them a hard time about it? Ok it is actually dumb, to use the exact same number (10900) for two products. But still I am very happy that intel just kept increasing the numbers to 10xxx instead of calling it The new i7 or something more akin to apple&co. I can only hope they will stick with it and call their next generation 11xxx and NOT 20xxx. Looking forward to the Eleventy-nine-ninety-key-eff.
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David
Hello love the show guys. I have a half purchased gaming system. Something told me to make the very last thing to get is the GPU. I was going to get the ROG 2080ti but now I think I am just going to wait till the 3080ti. Even if I wanted a 2080ti everyone is sold out at least the ones who are not going to rape me. Also brings me to another point when the 3080ti comes out God I hope they will at least bring it down 35% or more. They have got just to damn crazy with the prices.
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Hello love the show guys. I have a half purchased gaming system. Something told me to make the very last thing to get is the GPU. I was going to get the ROG 2080ti but now I think I am just going to wait till the 3080ti. Even if I wanted a 2080ti everyone is sold out at least the ones who are not going to rape me. Also brings me to another point when the 3080ti comes out God I hope they will at least bring it down 35% or more. They have got just to damn crazy with the prices.
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D.
Fedora Linux ships no proprietary drivers. So if a ThinkPad ships with Fedora, any new-enough Linux should also work. This is not true of Ubuntu Linux. There a several example of Dell laptops that have shipped with Ubuntu with proprietary drivers that were not available with other distros. I even a remember a case where newer versions of Ubuntu would not work! Having said this, most notebooks run Linux with few problems. Like the Acer Spin1 netbook that I'm typing this on.
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Fedora Linux ships no proprietary drivers. So if a ThinkPad ships with Fedora, any new-enough Linux should also work. This is not true of Ubuntu Linux. There a several example of Dell laptops that have shipped with Ubuntu with proprietary drivers that were not available with other distros. I even a remember a case where newer versions of Ubuntu would not work! Having said this, most notebooks run Linux with few problems. Like the Acer Spin1 netbook that I'm typing this on.
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