HW News - Intel Battlemage Handheld, AMD RDNA5 GPU Rumors (Already), NVIDIA Handheld
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Date: 2024-05-22
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Banana_Knight
I think the Jensen being frustrated thing could be a lie or may be true. Who knows. I know they had that rumor a while back that the SoC for the Switch successor being complete all the way back in 2022, so if all this is actually true then that could be the reason. Nvidia is a company that wants to make money, so if you created a custom chip and API's for a partner and they still don't have a product even using it to make revenue from and thought it was something that would be used within 12 months of completion and it's still not being used then why did you waste time and resources on something and 2 years later you still are not making any revenue as it's still not being used in anything yet. Then you also hear about a 2025 release day and wonder why you even partnered with them in the first place on something and the SoC finally being used 3 years later after it was finalized. Nintendo probably never gave a full on release window or much info as they don't won't any leaks coming from anywhere and try to be as secret as possible and may not be communicating with Nvidia all that well either. Nvidia would be waiting on Nintendo to finally give them the green light for the SoC to go in mass production. I would be pissed off as well if any of this is actually true. Who really knows, they will not fully come out and say it themselves.
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I think the Jensen being frustrated thing could be a lie or may be true. Who knows. I know they had that rumor a while back that the SoC for the Switch successor being complete all the way back in 2022, so if all this is actually true then that could be the reason. Nvidia is a company that wants to make money, so if you created a custom chip and API's for a partner and they still don't have a product even using it to make revenue from and thought it was something that would be used within 12 months of completion and it's still not being used then why did you waste time and resources on something and 2 years later you still are not making any revenue as it's still not being used in anything yet. Then you also hear about a 2025 release day and wonder why you even partnered with them in the first place on something and the SoC finally being used 3 years later after it was finalized. Nintendo probably never gave a full on release window or much info as they don't won't any leaks coming from anywhere and try to be as secret as possible and may not be communicating with Nvidia all that well either. Nvidia would be waiting on Nintendo to finally give them the green light for the SoC to go in mass production. I would be pissed off as well if any of this is actually true. Who really knows, they will not fully come out and say it themselves.
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Hybris51129
I really hope that RDNA5 is a actual fresh start and with it a change of tactics for AMD. The last decade plus of openly refusing to compete with Nvidia on a performance level has been embarrassing for them (And a lot of techtubers who kept propping them up even in the face of their own test data) and harmful for the market as it has left Nvidia free to do whatever they feel as far as GPU's go, we are lucky that they have for the most part kept pushing performance first even as they charge insane prices due to having no one even attempting to match them.
If AMD sells off their GPU division then I can only hope that whoever buys it will have the willpower to do what AMD either couldn't or refused to do.
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I really hope that RDNA5 is a actual fresh start and with it a change of tactics for AMD. The last decade plus of openly refusing to compete with Nvidia on a performance level has been embarrassing for them (And a lot of techtubers who kept propping them up even in the face of their own test data) and harmful for the market as it has left Nvidia free to do whatever they feel as far as GPU's go, we are lucky that they have for the most part kept pushing performance first even as they charge insane prices due to having no one even attempting to match them.
If AMD sells off their GPU division then I can only hope that whoever buys it will have the willpower to do what AMD either couldn't or refused to do.
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infernaldaedra
Yeah we could design a much more ergonomic handheld with better aesthetics maybe even for cheaper.. most controls should be on the reverse/ back of the device not the front to keep your hands from covering the screen and wrist strain relief. And to make more room for better sensor packages/ allow it to be repurposed as a PDA and marketed towards things like automation farms. And it should be moduled in so that way the controls could be detached from the device with a built in battery while the screen is wire powered to offer better power delivery when not in mobile use.. the screen could even be hinged because of the internal connection allowing more versatility and easier repairs in mind.
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Yeah we could design a much more ergonomic handheld with better aesthetics maybe even for cheaper.. most controls should be on the reverse/ back of the device not the front to keep your hands from covering the screen and wrist strain relief. And to make more room for better sensor packages/ allow it to be repurposed as a PDA and marketed towards things like automation farms. And it should be moduled in so that way the controls could be detached from the device with a built in battery while the screen is wire powered to offer better power delivery when not in mobile use.. the screen could even be hinged because of the internal connection allowing more versatility and easier repairs in mind.
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salohcin1000
Regarding AMD's naming conventions, I really wish they would use one single brand name specifically for their discrete GPUs. I am currently considering a new gaming laptop purchase. When searching for products on most retail sites, its a pain to find laptops with AMD dGPUs because they use their Radeon name for both discrete and integrated graphics so you really have to hunt. Whereas if it has Nvidia anywhere, its got discrete graphics. It's a small thing, but it makes me less likely to buy an AMD product because its so much harder to even FIND some to compare against competitors. I've even run into this issue cross shopping lower end gaming desktops for friends.
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Regarding AMD's naming conventions, I really wish they would use one single brand name specifically for their discrete GPUs. I am currently considering a new gaming laptop purchase. When searching for products on most retail sites, its a pain to find laptops with AMD dGPUs because they use their Radeon name for both discrete and integrated graphics so you really have to hunt. Whereas if it has Nvidia anywhere, its got discrete graphics. It's a small thing, but it makes me less likely to buy an AMD product because its so much harder to even FIND some to compare against competitors. I've even run into this issue cross shopping lower end gaming desktops for friends.
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radugrigoras
Intel is just a behemoth, you gotta stop looking at market cap. You gotta look at pure cash money and assets, they are the only ones that have their own fabs. Everyone else is TSMC and Samsung. TSMC had over 2trillion in revenue last yearJust let that sink in for a sec, a foreign nation in Asia is taking in 2trillion USD/yr manufacturing your designs. Intel will get more and more grants while AMD is left on the sidelines. If Intel can get close to TSMC, which BTW all their lines are bought in, and stuff goes sideways in Asia and US puts sanctions, intel will be manufacturing chips for NVIDIA and AMD for the US market.
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Intel is just a behemoth, you gotta stop looking at market cap. You gotta look at pure cash money and assets, they are the only ones that have their own fabs. Everyone else is TSMC and Samsung. TSMC had over 2trillion in revenue last yearJust let that sink in for a sec, a foreign nation in Asia is taking in 2trillion USD/yr manufacturing your designs. Intel will get more and more grants while AMD is left on the sidelines. If Intel can get close to TSMC, which BTW all their lines are bought in, and stuff goes sideways in Asia and US puts sanctions, intel will be manufacturing chips for NVIDIA and AMD for the US market.
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kindnuguz
What I find interesting is Steve at the age he is entering really needs to dig into geopolitics to understand how everything is affected. Without this knowledge and without getting into politics, its only understanding half the story. Adversaries are now weaponizing our beloved chips and using the chips for malicious purposes and it will only get worse as time goes on.
I highly advise Steve to start digging into at least the bare minimum as tariffs are a normal way countries protect domestic companies and create growth for domestic products which gives domestic companies an equal chance at competing with imports.
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What I find interesting is Steve at the age he is entering really needs to dig into geopolitics to understand how everything is affected. Without this knowledge and without getting into politics, its only understanding half the story. Adversaries are now weaponizing our beloved chips and using the chips for malicious purposes and it will only get worse as time goes on.
I highly advise Steve to start digging into at least the bare minimum as tariffs are a normal way countries protect domestic companies and create growth for domestic products which gives domestic companies an equal chance at competing with imports.
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sirmonkey1985
while AMD's naming doesn't make sense if you're newer to the gpu market a lot of what they've done actually makes sense.. the fury/Fury X is a reference to the ATi Rage and Fury MAXX, the RX400/500 series is a reference to the R400 and R500 architectures which were the last competitive architectures while ATi was still independent. the HDx000 and RXx000 series are pretty standard through their history. the only real outlier is vega and the accidental similarity to the ATi Mach 64(i asked a few of the engineers that were working for AMD during Vega and most had forgot Mach 64 was even an ATi product).
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while AMD's naming doesn't make sense if you're newer to the gpu market a lot of what they've done actually makes sense.. the fury/Fury X is a reference to the ATi Rage and Fury MAXX, the RX400/500 series is a reference to the R400 and R500 architectures which were the last competitive architectures while ATi was still independent. the HDx000 and RXx000 series are pretty standard through their history. the only real outlier is vega and the accidental similarity to the ATi Mach 64(i asked a few of the engineers that were working for AMD during Vega and most had forgot Mach 64 was even an ATi product).
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tedhodge4830
I don't think Intel needs to be focused on another dopey handheld, I think they need to be focused, all hands on deck, is making an affordable midrange card that performs adequately to justify its price compared to at least one of the big dogs...specifically, at the $250-350 price range. If they can simply beat Nvidia at this range, and surprise people, they can carve a niche in the market that Nvidia doesn't seem to care about. If they want to compete longterm in smartphones, tablets, handhelds, game consoles, whatever, they need to be upping their game in integrated graphics the same way AMD did.
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I don't think Intel needs to be focused on another dopey handheld, I think they need to be focused, all hands on deck, is making an affordable midrange card that performs adequately to justify its price compared to at least one of the big dogs...specifically, at the $250-350 price range. If they can simply beat Nvidia at this range, and surprise people, they can carve a niche in the market that Nvidia doesn't seem to care about. If they want to compete longterm in smartphones, tablets, handhelds, game consoles, whatever, they need to be upping their game in integrated graphics the same way AMD did.
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DragoNate
I love the byowave accessibility controller thing, it's cool af and great, but I have to complain that the price is SO excessive considering it's an accessibility thing at its core... Like, why is this always the case I get that it's not intended to be a widespread product used by anyone/everyone so the expected profit is much lower but it's seriously asinine.
Guess it doesn't help that controllers in general have like tripled in price... I remember when I could get a new xbox360 controller for $25-$30, wireless for $45 and special things for $60. Now base controller is what, $60-$100 Wireless 50%
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I love the byowave accessibility controller thing, it's cool af and great, but I have to complain that the price is SO excessive considering it's an accessibility thing at its core... Like, why is this always the case I get that it's not intended to be a widespread product used by anyone/everyone so the expected profit is much lower but it's seriously asinine.
Guess it doesn't help that controllers in general have like tripled in price... I remember when I could get a new xbox360 controller for $25-$30, wireless for $45 and special things for $60. Now base controller is what, $60-$100 Wireless 50%
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importprogram
17:22 As a owner of a Nvidia Shield Tablet, to this day it's a sleek device, the controller was odd but worked, and generally just fun to use as it was just stock Android 6. Just wish it was a 64 bit system, because the 32 bit was the kicker. After the battery issue (expanding battery) , the entire platform died and the Switch came out and Nvidia pivoted to the Shield TV anyways. Hopefully MediaTek and Nvidia could pull something off, and possibly to higher standards to the original Shield Tablet, but that price is something...
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17:22 As a owner of a Nvidia Shield Tablet, to this day it's a sleek device, the controller was odd but worked, and generally just fun to use as it was just stock Android 6. Just wish it was a 64 bit system, because the 32 bit was the kicker. After the battery issue (expanding battery) , the entire platform died and the Switch came out and Nvidia pivoted to the Shield TV anyways. Hopefully MediaTek and Nvidia could pull something off, and possibly to higher standards to the original Shield Tablet, but that price is something...
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PortalPatPatto
honestly AMD deserves credit for having GPUs named in the single digits (Radeon VII), double digits (Vega 56/64), three digits (RX 580 etc.) and four digits (RX 6600 etc.) in the last 10 years alone, and not even in ascending order because that would be too predictable and boring. Also massive kudos to them for having a CPU and GPU sporting the same name (7800) at the same time, but somehow the one ending in 3D isnt the GPU. One can tell they really try their best to be as consistent and transparent for customers as possible.
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honestly AMD deserves credit for having GPUs named in the single digits (Radeon VII), double digits (Vega 56/64), three digits (RX 580 etc.) and four digits (RX 6600 etc.) in the last 10 years alone, and not even in ascending order because that would be too predictable and boring. Also massive kudos to them for having a CPU and GPU sporting the same name (7800) at the same time, but somehow the one ending in 3D isnt the GPU. One can tell they really try their best to be as consistent and transparent for customers as possible.
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NegativeROG
Taiwan claims independence from China, but the U.S. is iffy on it's policy about their being one China or two Chinas. Would tariff increases affect Taiwan and TSMC, then Is Taiwan considered China from a CPU standpoint Not trying to get into the politics of anything, but if TSMC is in Taiwan, and Taiwan's tariff's aren't increased, that's good news for us. Or the opposite. Does anyone know
EDIT: Steve answered my question literally 7 seconds after I hit PLAY. Oops.
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Taiwan claims independence from China, but the U.S. is iffy on it's policy about their being one China or two Chinas. Would tariff increases affect Taiwan and TSMC, then Is Taiwan considered China from a CPU standpoint Not trying to get into the politics of anything, but if TSMC is in Taiwan, and Taiwan's tariff's aren't increased, that's good news for us. Or the opposite. Does anyone know
EDIT: Steve answered my question literally 7 seconds after I hit PLAY. Oops.
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Snake3169
I have an asus 790 board and a 13th gen intel, i updated the bios a couple weeks ago to the latest and started getting crashes. Went back to second newest and the crashing stopped but i started getting power limit throttling at stock speed and stock bios settings (except xmp enabled). Turns out PL1 was set too low. At like 230w, i set to 307w and problem fixed. But i had to dig through settings to find it and im a A tech. Average person isnt gonna know to do that.
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I have an asus 790 board and a 13th gen intel, i updated the bios a couple weeks ago to the latest and started getting crashes. Went back to second newest and the crashing stopped but i started getting power limit throttling at stock speed and stock bios settings (except xmp enabled). Turns out PL1 was set too low. At like 230w, i set to 307w and problem fixed. But i had to dig through settings to find it and im a A tech. Average person isnt gonna know to do that.
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jtnachos16
I don't even need one for accessibility reasons and I'm thinking of buying a set of those cubes if there aren't major durability issues with them discovered. I'd LOVE to be able to 'build a bear' a controller layout. Especially if the software is present to provide additional mappings for duplicate modules or whatever.I mean, stick a decent gyro in one module and you can straight up make a custom flightstick. There is a LOT of potential there.
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I don't even need one for accessibility reasons and I'm thinking of buying a set of those cubes if there aren't major durability issues with them discovered. I'd LOVE to be able to 'build a bear' a controller layout. Especially if the software is present to provide additional mappings for duplicate modules or whatever.I mean, stick a decent gyro in one module and you can straight up make a custom flightstick. There is a LOT of potential there.
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seeibe
Deductive reasoning is where you combine statements into a conclusion that necessarily follows from the premises. The term you're looking for is inductive reasoning where you creatively come up with a conclusion that could explain the premise, but doesn't necessarily follow from it. Since Intel CPUs needing 238 volts is logically consistent, but there are other possible explanations, this is a form of inductive reasoning.
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Deductive reasoning is where you combine statements into a conclusion that necessarily follows from the premises. The term you're looking for is inductive reasoning where you creatively come up with a conclusion that could explain the premise, but doesn't necessarily follow from it. Since Intel CPUs needing 238 volts is logically consistent, but there are other possible explanations, this is a form of inductive reasoning.
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carfo
Mobile gaming devices are absolutely the future. The switch was the first to bring the laptop dock concept to a gaming console but future gaming will be a portable device you can mount to bigger tv screens. It’s great to see more hardware manufacturers getting into the handheld gaming space. Maybe Sony will even make the Vita 2; the follow up to what is, in my opinion, the greatest handheld device to date.
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Mobile gaming devices are absolutely the future. The switch was the first to bring the laptop dock concept to a gaming console but future gaming will be a portable device you can mount to bigger tv screens. It’s great to see more hardware manufacturers getting into the handheld gaming space. Maybe Sony will even make the Vita 2; the follow up to what is, in my opinion, the greatest handheld device to date.
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noquarteratall780
That handicap controller at the end is not only a trash idea but holy god $250 is way too much for a controller. I game with my 1 hand and my feet using a really old logitech g300s because no one makes a good mouse anymore and a cheap af arcade button setup. Cost me like $70 all together. Leave it up to Gates to figure out how to rip off cripples and call it charity and innovation.
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That handicap controller at the end is not only a trash idea but holy god $250 is way too much for a controller. I game with my 1 hand and my feet using a really old logitech g300s because no one makes a good mouse anymore and a cheap af arcade button setup. Cost me like $70 all together. Leave it up to Gates to figure out how to rip off cripples and call it charity and innovation.
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Magnosummit
I have high hopes for Intel's GPU market. I don't expect them to compete with the high end Nvidia cards, but a solid iGPU to offer comparable performance to AMD's would be nice. Or a decent dedicated mid - upper mid dedicated GPU option.
Until they reach the low wattage performance efficiency that AMD has, I think they're at a disadvantage in handheld market.
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I have high hopes for Intel's GPU market. I don't expect them to compete with the high end Nvidia cards, but a solid iGPU to offer comparable performance to AMD's would be nice. Or a decent dedicated mid - upper mid dedicated GPU option.
Until they reach the low wattage performance efficiency that AMD has, I think they're at a disadvantage in handheld market.
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TadeoDOria
Granted, I never payed much attention to AMD GPUs as I need ray tracing performance for work, but my god I could never figure out what segment of the market a card was in just by the name, they really made things more difficult for themselves. I hope they improve going forward, in all aspects because we could use some competition on the high end of the market
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Granted, I never payed much attention to AMD GPUs as I need ray tracing performance for work, but my god I could never figure out what segment of the market a card was in just by the name, they really made things more difficult for themselves. I hope they improve going forward, in all aspects because we could use some competition on the high end of the market
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mjc0961
They don't blast CPUs with voltage because they aren't properly tuning things, they're doing it because bigger number better bigger. So the 238 volt CPU is clearly the best CPU because that's the biggest voltage number yet!
Seriously though that was a good segment because as soon as I saw 238V my brain wanted it to be volta even though that makes no sense.
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They don't blast CPUs with voltage because they aren't properly tuning things, they're doing it because bigger number better bigger. So the 238 volt CPU is clearly the best CPU because that's the biggest voltage number yet!
Seriously though that was a good segment because as soon as I saw 238V my brain wanted it to be volta even though that makes no sense.
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