NVIDIA Has Flooded the Market
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Date: 2024-05-22
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HXRDWIREDGaming
AMD is doing the safe play. The consumers want a wide range of products and in this vertical you find that previous gen and current gen are basically regarded as the safe buy and the money spender you obviously want your whales to buy the newest best thing however, you don't want stock on hand. Nvidia does not care about this. They will sell them so it's incentivized to actually maintain 2 generations. I wouldn't be surprised if they rebrand the 3 series as a office workhorse the 4 series as the gaming and the new 5 series as the creator series. This is the same strategy that AMD did for CPUS, the 3-4-5-x3d were basically concurrently made and it made customers to do micro upgrades, making them more money and stealing market share on the budget/creator sector. It was horrendously smart to just pump out so many level and back to back wins. IDK if they produced those concurrently or even if you could but having that stock on hand might as well be the same thing when given to vendors.
Overall, we will see AMD play the safe game and Nvidia do the divide and conquer approach. However, with Nvidia focused and honestly controlling the US market due to AI, they do not care about gamers. They will get the trickle down and if ANYTHING threatens actual marketshare, I 100% believe they will flick on the annihilator and take it back with brute force. We saw they had this power with the 30/40 series but trickled down due to the fact that AMD cannot compete. I would say that if AMD released something 5% more than a 4090, and there was no 5 series, they would absolutely hyper tune those 50 cards and strength check AMD.
Nvidia has insanely good (and large) teams supporting the product. AMD has a very small team (compared) so, we see small mistakes and everyone loves an underdog. I truly don't think without a massive shift at AMD that they will ever beat nvidia and they know this. Intel however, could pull this off if they choose to. However, is it worth spending billions to steal at best, 2.73 billion (as of 2019) No, it's not. AI is causing the hyper charged Nvidia in the front and that won't change unless some breakthrough is found. (which can and has happened) but, it's unlikely until we get virtualized concept products instead of the making process of cards.
Loved the video, from an Ecom perspective, it's basically Nvidia recruiting you to continually buy them because there's a lot of skus and they are constantly releasing better.
Nvidia: Here's a sandwich
AMD: Here's one too
Nvidia: Ours has Ham and Cheese and Lettuce
AMD: Ours has lower quality Ham and Cheese and Lettuce
Nvidia: Premium cuts
AMD: Premium Cuts
Nvidia: We invented an oven to cook sandwiches
AMD: Us too!
See where this is coming They (AMD) need a hail mary product like they did with CPUS. Is that worth chasing 2.7 billion (at most) no. It literally isnt. They know and won't try to beat them at the game. What they want is for AMD to be the smart choice and don't have the power to edge out the market.
Love the competition but this is going to spread out pricing and with everyone returning to office and AI frenzy, we're going to see prices skyrocket for the next 5 years.
Feel free to comment and tell me i'm wrong in a couple years, I'll eat my napkins.
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AMD is doing the safe play. The consumers want a wide range of products and in this vertical you find that previous gen and current gen are basically regarded as the safe buy and the money spender you obviously want your whales to buy the newest best thing however, you don't want stock on hand. Nvidia does not care about this. They will sell them so it's incentivized to actually maintain 2 generations. I wouldn't be surprised if they rebrand the 3 series as a office workhorse the 4 series as the gaming and the new 5 series as the creator series. This is the same strategy that AMD did for CPUS, the 3-4-5-x3d were basically concurrently made and it made customers to do micro upgrades, making them more money and stealing market share on the budget/creator sector. It was horrendously smart to just pump out so many level and back to back wins. IDK if they produced those concurrently or even if you could but having that stock on hand might as well be the same thing when given to vendors.
Overall, we will see AMD play the safe game and Nvidia do the divide and conquer approach. However, with Nvidia focused and honestly controlling the US market due to AI, they do not care about gamers. They will get the trickle down and if ANYTHING threatens actual marketshare, I 100% believe they will flick on the annihilator and take it back with brute force. We saw they had this power with the 30/40 series but trickled down due to the fact that AMD cannot compete. I would say that if AMD released something 5% more than a 4090, and there was no 5 series, they would absolutely hyper tune those 50 cards and strength check AMD.
Nvidia has insanely good (and large) teams supporting the product. AMD has a very small team (compared) so, we see small mistakes and everyone loves an underdog. I truly don't think without a massive shift at AMD that they will ever beat nvidia and they know this. Intel however, could pull this off if they choose to. However, is it worth spending billions to steal at best, 2.73 billion (as of 2019) No, it's not. AI is causing the hyper charged Nvidia in the front and that won't change unless some breakthrough is found. (which can and has happened) but, it's unlikely until we get virtualized concept products instead of the making process of cards.
Loved the video, from an Ecom perspective, it's basically Nvidia recruiting you to continually buy them because there's a lot of skus and they are constantly releasing better.
Nvidia: Here's a sandwich
AMD: Here's one too
Nvidia: Ours has Ham and Cheese and Lettuce
AMD: Ours has lower quality Ham and Cheese and Lettuce
Nvidia: Premium cuts
AMD: Premium Cuts
Nvidia: We invented an oven to cook sandwiches
AMD: Us too!
See where this is coming They (AMD) need a hail mary product like they did with CPUS. Is that worth chasing 2.7 billion (at most) no. It literally isnt. They know and won't try to beat them at the game. What they want is for AMD to be the smart choice and don't have the power to edge out the market.
Love the competition but this is going to spread out pricing and with everyone returning to office and AI frenzy, we're going to see prices skyrocket for the next 5 years.
Feel free to comment and tell me i'm wrong in a couple years, I'll eat my napkins.
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AlMcpherson79
What I don't like is how complicated it makes looking for a GPU.
Budget, Low End, Mid End, High End and OnlyTheRich are easily understood if we say, had;
RTX 4010
RTX 4030
RTX 4050
RTX 4070
RTX 4090
Price points in ascending order: 100-200, 350-450, 600-700, 850-950, 1100-1200.
The price difference within the card range, i.e. a 100 vs 200,, or 600 vs 700, would be down to the features like the cooling. At the low end, passive cooling only and locked down performance values vs single fan and a bit of extra unlocked performance if you know where to look (MSI Afterburner). At the mid end, this is the difference between a 2.5 slot twin-fan and a 3.5 slot triple-fan, which allows either better cooling at same values or more unlocked performance on one than the other. On the high end, this would be the difference between Big Brick and Hey Its Got Its Own AIO Liquid Cooling Solution.
Of course, $100 vs $1200 would be a huge difference, even if not strictly ten times the performance because the low end wont be expected to do more than 30fps at 1080p on low end settings, while the other is expected to do 60fps at 4k on high/ultra settings etc, but at low end settings... yeah the guy who bought a $100 card probably wont have a monitor that goes beyond 60hz, vs the other who probably has a 240hz 4k monitor.
Slim it down to just three: Low End, Mid, High, and you get say... 4020, 4050, 4080.
Then its down to the individual vendors to come up with cooling and ''Stock'' vs what overclocking limits they provide. Also, board layouts should be standardised for anyone who does after-purchase customization like Liquid Cooling. When i was looking at doing a custom liquid cooling rig a few years ago, I gave up before the first part purchase simply because I wanted to make sure I could get the right GPU Cooling kit for the right GPU and they're just... ugh. No wonder its system builder companies that only do it in any kind of volume... and always seem to stick to a small list of options on which GPU. (and never AMD GPUs. Even pre-30 series I was thinking 'next card, AMD not NVIDIA'.)
And it is, how many have we actually got
4090
4080 super
4080
4070 Ti Super
4070 Ti
4070 Super
4070
4060 Ti 16gb
4060 Ti 8gb
4060
And the 4060 not-super-tie-fighter-whatever is still a brick compared to what, fifteen years ago, I'd have been looking for a slim system build on cases that didn't have full-length PCI slots, wether or not they were at a 90 degree angle or not.
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What I don't like is how complicated it makes looking for a GPU.
Budget, Low End, Mid End, High End and OnlyTheRich are easily understood if we say, had;
RTX 4010
RTX 4030
RTX 4050
RTX 4070
RTX 4090
Price points in ascending order: 100-200, 350-450, 600-700, 850-950, 1100-1200.
The price difference within the card range, i.e. a 100 vs 200,, or 600 vs 700, would be down to the features like the cooling. At the low end, passive cooling only and locked down performance values vs single fan and a bit of extra unlocked performance if you know where to look (MSI Afterburner). At the mid end, this is the difference between a 2.5 slot twin-fan and a 3.5 slot triple-fan, which allows either better cooling at same values or more unlocked performance on one than the other. On the high end, this would be the difference between Big Brick and Hey Its Got Its Own AIO Liquid Cooling Solution.
Of course, $100 vs $1200 would be a huge difference, even if not strictly ten times the performance because the low end wont be expected to do more than 30fps at 1080p on low end settings, while the other is expected to do 60fps at 4k on high/ultra settings etc, but at low end settings... yeah the guy who bought a $100 card probably wont have a monitor that goes beyond 60hz, vs the other who probably has a 240hz 4k monitor.
Slim it down to just three: Low End, Mid, High, and you get say... 4020, 4050, 4080.
Then its down to the individual vendors to come up with cooling and ''Stock'' vs what overclocking limits they provide. Also, board layouts should be standardised for anyone who does after-purchase customization like Liquid Cooling. When i was looking at doing a custom liquid cooling rig a few years ago, I gave up before the first part purchase simply because I wanted to make sure I could get the right GPU Cooling kit for the right GPU and they're just... ugh. No wonder its system builder companies that only do it in any kind of volume... and always seem to stick to a small list of options on which GPU. (and never AMD GPUs. Even pre-30 series I was thinking 'next card, AMD not NVIDIA'.)
And it is, how many have we actually got
4090
4080 super
4080
4070 Ti Super
4070 Ti
4070 Super
4070
4060 Ti 16gb
4060 Ti 8gb
4060
And the 4060 not-super-tie-fighter-whatever is still a brick compared to what, fifteen years ago, I'd have been looking for a slim system build on cases that didn't have full-length PCI slots, wether or not they were at a 90 degree angle or not.
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Kraaketaer
Love to see you do this kind of video - this kind of analytical media coverage is sorely lacking in the PC space, so pleaw keep doing these.
One point I felt was missing in your analysis, regarding AMD's seemingly more chaotic approach vs Nvidia's stable constant presence: this, including the frequent name changes and oddly structured product stacks, is to some degree forced by AMD's much weaker mindshare. As your video aptly illustrates Nvidia has the advantages of inertia and scale (as in scale of presence through both launches, SKUs, and the attendant cycles of media coverage). AMD needs to try to break this cycle, to gain visibility. And they've tred pretty much every strategy across the past decade and a half. Hyper ambitious flagship SKUs Yep, the Fury series did that. Unbeatable value pitches Pretty much every generation until the last two have had that, but the RX 400 and 500 generations stand out. But obviously you can't deliver that kind of thing every generation, especially as a much smaller (and for much of this, near bankrupt) underdog - so they also need to try new branding and strategic framing of their products at the same time. HD to R5/7/9 and Fury to RX hundreds and Vega to RX thousands - they're all attempts at shaking up public perception, to say hey, you haven't really considered us before, but you really ought to do so now. And, given that as you say, Nvidia is the default gpu choice for the vast majority of people, doing things like this is absolutely necessary. A consumer that doesn't consider your product can't be won over by a better product alone, at least not unless that product is completely groundbreaking. And there have been examples both before and after the AMD ATI acquisition showing that having better value/better performance in a segment GPUs just isn't enough to break through Nvidia's mindshare advantage.
Now, AMD has absolutely made a lot of strategic blunders, don't get me wrong. But that also comes from trying, and having to try new things. Nvidia has the advantage of not having to change things, because they have such market dominance that they can just keep going in terms of branding and marketing - leaving them fewer opportunities to mess up.
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Love to see you do this kind of video - this kind of analytical media coverage is sorely lacking in the PC space, so pleaw keep doing these.
One point I felt was missing in your analysis, regarding AMD's seemingly more chaotic approach vs Nvidia's stable constant presence: this, including the frequent name changes and oddly structured product stacks, is to some degree forced by AMD's much weaker mindshare. As your video aptly illustrates Nvidia has the advantages of inertia and scale (as in scale of presence through both launches, SKUs, and the attendant cycles of media coverage). AMD needs to try to break this cycle, to gain visibility. And they've tred pretty much every strategy across the past decade and a half. Hyper ambitious flagship SKUs Yep, the Fury series did that. Unbeatable value pitches Pretty much every generation until the last two have had that, but the RX 400 and 500 generations stand out. But obviously you can't deliver that kind of thing every generation, especially as a much smaller (and for much of this, near bankrupt) underdog - so they also need to try new branding and strategic framing of their products at the same time. HD to R5/7/9 and Fury to RX hundreds and Vega to RX thousands - they're all attempts at shaking up public perception, to say hey, you haven't really considered us before, but you really ought to do so now. And, given that as you say, Nvidia is the default gpu choice for the vast majority of people, doing things like this is absolutely necessary. A consumer that doesn't consider your product can't be won over by a better product alone, at least not unless that product is completely groundbreaking. And there have been examples both before and after the AMD ATI acquisition showing that having better value/better performance in a segment GPUs just isn't enough to break through Nvidia's mindshare advantage.
Now, AMD has absolutely made a lot of strategic blunders, don't get me wrong. But that also comes from trying, and having to try new things. Nvidia has the advantage of not having to change things, because they have such market dominance that they can just keep going in terms of branding and marketing - leaving them fewer opportunities to mess up.
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BryAlrighty
I'm gonna be real: I buy nvidia GPUs because I like the features. AMD doesn't seem to offer anything like DLDSR for instance and I adore that feature. Does AMD offer anything with regards with AI powered features I can't think of any at all. Not to mention the better RT performance. I love turning on ray tracing in a game. Then there's stuff like nvenc that contributes to my decision, although it's not as useful as it once was.
Would I like to support the underdog Sure, and I hope people do. But why should I purchase what I personally consider an inferior product just because people tell me I should I want the GPU I want with the features I like and that should be reason enough.
I am excited about Intel's discrete GPUs though. I feel like if there's someone who can properly compete with nvidia, it'll be intel in the long run considering they're already feature matching with regards to XeSS visual quality while using intel ARC gpus. FSR can't compete with that. It's just disappointing.
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I'm gonna be real: I buy nvidia GPUs because I like the features. AMD doesn't seem to offer anything like DLDSR for instance and I adore that feature. Does AMD offer anything with regards with AI powered features I can't think of any at all. Not to mention the better RT performance. I love turning on ray tracing in a game. Then there's stuff like nvenc that contributes to my decision, although it's not as useful as it once was.
Would I like to support the underdog Sure, and I hope people do. But why should I purchase what I personally consider an inferior product just because people tell me I should I want the GPU I want with the features I like and that should be reason enough.
I am excited about Intel's discrete GPUs though. I feel like if there's someone who can properly compete with nvidia, it'll be intel in the long run considering they're already feature matching with regards to XeSS visual quality while using intel ARC gpus. FSR can't compete with that. It's just disappointing.
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hfc2x
A big part for this dominance is also that the majority of PC users are Windows users, and AMD makes terrible Windows drivers. For us, Linux users, it's either stick to AMD and have a pleasant and smooth experience, or suffer through having to deal with Nvidia's awful Linux drivers (not that they perform poorly, but just the act of installing them and/or getting things like VRR working, you might as well choose to be kicked in the balls because that'd be a lot less painful).
Problem is, Linux is about 3% of the market, so even if all of us bought every AMD card, it'd barely make a difference. Even then, some Linux users just choose to deal with all the hostility from Nvidia because they want a 4090, especially now that Nvidia has given those people hope because they seem to be warming up to the idea of open sourcing their drivers, so Nvidia's dominance might not even be challenged after all, even on Linux.
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A big part for this dominance is also that the majority of PC users are Windows users, and AMD makes terrible Windows drivers. For us, Linux users, it's either stick to AMD and have a pleasant and smooth experience, or suffer through having to deal with Nvidia's awful Linux drivers (not that they perform poorly, but just the act of installing them and/or getting things like VRR working, you might as well choose to be kicked in the balls because that'd be a lot less painful).
Problem is, Linux is about 3% of the market, so even if all of us bought every AMD card, it'd barely make a difference. Even then, some Linux users just choose to deal with all the hostility from Nvidia because they want a 4090, especially now that Nvidia has given those people hope because they seem to be warming up to the idea of open sourcing their drivers, so Nvidia's dominance might not even be challenged after all, even on Linux.
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LastSecBloomer
The title and intro almost make it seem like there's some evil conspiracy by NVidia to drown the competition, while in reality it's just standard market behavior.
Nvidia has huge majority of market share, it has brand presence (similar to Intel in CPU space), it's what sells and market places and retailers will push what sells and has brand presence, it's simple. There's also another factor, the dominance NVidia has in professional and semi-pro space with CUDA and other features, which also affects things. AMD is almost unheard for outside of gaming even though their cards have a history of being decent for amateur and semi-pro computing use and they're gaining track in professional and datacenter use...again, brand perception.
Add to that legendary incompetence of AMD's marketing and it's no wonder NVidia is all you see when you go shopping...
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The title and intro almost make it seem like there's some evil conspiracy by NVidia to drown the competition, while in reality it's just standard market behavior.
Nvidia has huge majority of market share, it has brand presence (similar to Intel in CPU space), it's what sells and market places and retailers will push what sells and has brand presence, it's simple. There's also another factor, the dominance NVidia has in professional and semi-pro space with CUDA and other features, which also affects things. AMD is almost unheard for outside of gaming even though their cards have a history of being decent for amateur and semi-pro computing use and they're gaining track in professional and datacenter use...again, brand perception.
Add to that legendary incompetence of AMD's marketing and it's no wonder NVidia is all you see when you go shopping...
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Ferdinand208
When I wanted to buy a GPU in 2020-2021 I couldn't find anything. I wanted the 6800XT. Nowhere to be found. Until I could buy a 3080ti in 2021. It took a whole year before I could buy an AMD card. But I find it pretty logical. If I buy a GPU and have to spend $100 more for a card that does DLSS2 I think that is worth it. AMD works hard to never provide anything like that. They are not more quiet. They use more power. They don't support DLSS2. They don't provide 20% more performance for the same price. If AMD did anything like that I would prefer them. I like quiet GPUs. I like GPUs that don't eat power because they heat up my room and cost 36cent/kwh. If AMD provided 20% more performance per $ that would cancel anything like DLSS2 out. The extra video ram is nice but not in the top 3 features I am looking for.
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When I wanted to buy a GPU in 2020-2021 I couldn't find anything. I wanted the 6800XT. Nowhere to be found. Until I could buy a 3080ti in 2021. It took a whole year before I could buy an AMD card. But I find it pretty logical. If I buy a GPU and have to spend $100 more for a card that does DLSS2 I think that is worth it. AMD works hard to never provide anything like that. They are not more quiet. They use more power. They don't support DLSS2. They don't provide 20% more performance for the same price. If AMD did anything like that I would prefer them. I like quiet GPUs. I like GPUs that don't eat power because they heat up my room and cost 36cent/kwh. If AMD provided 20% more performance per $ that would cancel anything like DLSS2 out. The extra video ram is nice but not in the top 3 features I am looking for.
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Epsilonsama
I feel like the odd duckling with how many gamers run Nvidia GPU. I have run AMD GPU since I first started building my own PCs back during the Polaris days as before then I just bought prebuilts and laptops. I had a bad experience with an Laptop that had an Nvidia GPU which is why I went with AMD on the Desktop and never had any really bad issues. I did try Team Green for a bit but it was a stuttering mess with certain games I played so I returned that GPU back and bought AMD again
To be honest unless you want things like Ray Tracing, DLSS or AI, AMD GPUs are a great value proposition.
I guarantee that for gaming AMD GPU are a solid choice and you don't need to spend a car down-payment for a GPU in order to play some games. Trust me, you don't need a 4090 to game
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I feel like the odd duckling with how many gamers run Nvidia GPU. I have run AMD GPU since I first started building my own PCs back during the Polaris days as before then I just bought prebuilts and laptops. I had a bad experience with an Laptop that had an Nvidia GPU which is why I went with AMD on the Desktop and never had any really bad issues. I did try Team Green for a bit but it was a stuttering mess with certain games I played so I returned that GPU back and bought AMD again
To be honest unless you want things like Ray Tracing, DLSS or AI, AMD GPUs are a great value proposition.
I guarantee that for gaming AMD GPU are a solid choice and you don't need to spend a car down-payment for a GPU in order to play some games. Trust me, you don't need a 4090 to game
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MaZEEZaM
When i first started building my own PC's a Very long time ago, I first bought AMD graphics cards but on several occasions some issue occurred with them needing warranty claims which was a pain in the arse. The next PC I decided to spend a bit more and buy Nvidia, which had zero issues so the following build I bought Nvidia again without issues so I've never looked back always buying Nvidia. A big part of the reason is obviously reliability but whenever I've considered buying AMD, I decided against it because I found it really confusing trying to work out which was the best in the current range. I gave up and stuck with the familiar and easily identified Nvidia cards.
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When i first started building my own PC's a Very long time ago, I first bought AMD graphics cards but on several occasions some issue occurred with them needing warranty claims which was a pain in the arse. The next PC I decided to spend a bit more and buy Nvidia, which had zero issues so the following build I bought Nvidia again without issues so I've never looked back always buying Nvidia. A big part of the reason is obviously reliability but whenever I've considered buying AMD, I decided against it because I found it really confusing trying to work out which was the best in the current range. I gave up and stuck with the familiar and easily identified Nvidia cards.
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geiers6013
I have long been using only AMD cards. I even had massive driver issues, but they are fixed since a few years and cards since the rx 6000 series seem not to be effected anyways. The value a few years ago was really good sometimes, but I feel like AMD is now massively falling behing with their 7000 series. Their cards are far more inefficient than Nvidias and worse even the price gap isn't as big as it used to be. Also for me DLSS is an absolute gamechanger and AMD doesn't even have any comparable answer to it. Since my brother gave me his 4070 I don't think I will go back to AMD in the longterm, unless their prices/performance will get much better.
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I have long been using only AMD cards. I even had massive driver issues, but they are fixed since a few years and cards since the rx 6000 series seem not to be effected anyways. The value a few years ago was really good sometimes, but I feel like AMD is now massively falling behing with their 7000 series. Their cards are far more inefficient than Nvidias and worse even the price gap isn't as big as it used to be. Also for me DLSS is an absolute gamechanger and AMD doesn't even have any comparable answer to it. Since my brother gave me his 4070 I don't think I will go back to AMD in the longterm, unless their prices/performance will get much better.
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Solrac-Siul
There is another layer that (I stopped the video at 23:00 you may or not mention) but that also helps nvidia dominance and that is development support at AAA level. I worked 15 years for Activision, and generally we always had more direct and indirect support from Nvidia in terms of drivers and optimizations than we generally got from AMD. As such our games - and i will focus essentially on COD since liking or not it is a titan of the industry- will generally run better on Nvidia hardware on day 1 and you would be surprised on how many (generally with a hefty wallet) will line hardware upgrades (mostly GPU) with new COD releases.
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There is another layer that (I stopped the video at 23:00 you may or not mention) but that also helps nvidia dominance and that is development support at AAA level. I worked 15 years for Activision, and generally we always had more direct and indirect support from Nvidia in terms of drivers and optimizations than we generally got from AMD. As such our games - and i will focus essentially on COD since liking or not it is a titan of the industry- will generally run better on Nvidia hardware on day 1 and you would be surprised on how many (generally with a hefty wallet) will line hardware upgrades (mostly GPU) with new COD releases.
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Khajitxi
Weird, Nvidia actually makes me want it less due to flooding since it’s so damn complicated to figure out which is which from the monument of text vs easily looking at a small list of AMD cards to get a general idea of higher number better. Saturating the market also means they have more possible points of failure during redesigns to make me trust it less. Eg fire hazards in the power connectors. A certain card version being considered a complete flop you should avoid as it’s outperformed by earlier cards. Knowing that there are landmines like that from an already complicated list just screams danger to me.
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Weird, Nvidia actually makes me want it less due to flooding since it’s so damn complicated to figure out which is which from the monument of text vs easily looking at a small list of AMD cards to get a general idea of higher number better. Saturating the market also means they have more possible points of failure during redesigns to make me trust it less. Eg fire hazards in the power connectors. A certain card version being considered a complete flop you should avoid as it’s outperformed by earlier cards. Knowing that there are landmines like that from an already complicated list just screams danger to me.
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kuyache2
AMD has given up years ago, they are not trying to expand their gpu market share nor trying to market their gpu's anymore! the RX580/RX5700 where the last time they tried, now they just copy what Nvidia does even if they dont have the fanbase that will buy their expensive GPU's. We really need more players in the dGPU game. Intel is trying but they need more miracles to be really be considered as for now consumers are forced to avoid ARC's due to inconsistencies and problems! Alchemist already has a very bad image and no price mark down can save it, time for Battlemage, Celestial and Druid to replace it asap.
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AMD has given up years ago, they are not trying to expand their gpu market share nor trying to market their gpu's anymore! the RX580/RX5700 where the last time they tried, now they just copy what Nvidia does even if they dont have the fanbase that will buy their expensive GPU's. We really need more players in the dGPU game. Intel is trying but they need more miracles to be really be considered as for now consumers are forced to avoid ARC's due to inconsistencies and problems! Alchemist already has a very bad image and no price mark down can save it, time for Battlemage, Celestial and Druid to replace it asap.
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happysideoffear777
I really feel like the statement by AMDs vice president about the second half being worse than the first half is not as bad as we think. Right now people really aren't buying luxury things. That includes high-end gaming cards in new consoles. Are we going to try to make do with what they have for as long as they can because nobody has any money because our economy is terrible (in the us) ((if your not super wealthy)). I think it's more of the trend because people aren't going to invest money they don't have and things they want rather than need. Medical bills rented and food are going to come first
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I really feel like the statement by AMDs vice president about the second half being worse than the first half is not as bad as we think. Right now people really aren't buying luxury things. That includes high-end gaming cards in new consoles. Are we going to try to make do with what they have for as long as they can because nobody has any money because our economy is terrible (in the us) ((if your not super wealthy)). I think it's more of the trend because people aren't going to invest money they don't have and things they want rather than need. Medical bills rented and food are going to come first
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AppleShrapnel
A lot of pc build videos include one of the 4090's and 50XX cards. And even just pc case reviews will typically reference those cards when getting into hardware clearances inside the case. I hear about them constantly even though I'm not actively shopping for a new card, so... yeah, definitely feels flooded. :P
I take some pride in my recent Arc 770 purchase (which is still churning out a driver update every two or three weeks), as it's literally the first time since my first pc that I don't have an Nvidia card in my rig. It'll be interesting to see if the Battlemage shakes up the market at all /:3c
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A lot of pc build videos include one of the 4090's and 50XX cards. And even just pc case reviews will typically reference those cards when getting into hardware clearances inside the case. I hear about them constantly even though I'm not actively shopping for a new card, so... yeah, definitely feels flooded. :P
I take some pride in my recent Arc 770 purchase (which is still churning out a driver update every two or three weeks), as it's literally the first time since my first pc that I don't have an Nvidia card in my rig. It'll be interesting to see if the Battlemage shakes up the market at all /:3c
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anasevi9456
Stuck with Radeon cards for around 9 years, because they were really good cards and the Nvidia tax in my country meant there was nothing to it for me. 290x then Vega 64...Tried a 5700XT, but that card was such a dumpsterfire, GCN driver issues are NOTHINGBURGERS next to RDNA1...... Also RDNA cards don't like multimonitor high hz/res setups. Went back to my Vega for another 3 years and bought a used mining RTX 3080 12GB, likely go green again unless AMD cares about more than e-sports again. Intel ARC seems more plausible to be my next as we know they have the same feature set obsession Nvidia has.
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Stuck with Radeon cards for around 9 years, because they were really good cards and the Nvidia tax in my country meant there was nothing to it for me. 290x then Vega 64...Tried a 5700XT, but that card was such a dumpsterfire, GCN driver issues are NOTHINGBURGERS next to RDNA1...... Also RDNA cards don't like multimonitor high hz/res setups. Went back to my Vega for another 3 years and bought a used mining RTX 3080 12GB, likely go green again unless AMD cares about more than e-sports again. Intel ARC seems more plausible to be my next as we know they have the same feature set obsession Nvidia has.
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KenS1267
Nvidia had to change how they did new generation launches.
I build systems as a side gig and when the 2000 series launched Nvidia let the 1000 series go completely out of stock while the only 2000 cards released were the 2080ti and 2080. IIRC the Titan and 2070 launched a couple of months later. I had customers looking for mid tier cards and I had no choice but to buy AMD because there was no Nvidia card available at that price point. I think Nvidia thought they could force people to buy the more expensive cards but there simply wasn't any price flexibility in a lot of people's budgets.
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Nvidia had to change how they did new generation launches.
I build systems as a side gig and when the 2000 series launched Nvidia let the 1000 series go completely out of stock while the only 2000 cards released were the 2080ti and 2080. IIRC the Titan and 2070 launched a couple of months later. I had customers looking for mid tier cards and I had no choice but to buy AMD because there was no Nvidia card available at that price point. I think Nvidia thought they could force people to buy the more expensive cards but there simply wasn't any price flexibility in a lot of people's budgets.
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mollet4231
The biggest problem with gpu market is that we have today 3 brands. Nvidia, AMD and Intel. When people is going to a store and buy a new gpu, they think nvidia. Not AMD or Intel. It is extremely rare (like for real) someone is going to buy a AMD card. You will hear that they either going to buy a nvidia card or they have bought a nvidia card. No matter the price of that card. It is absurd. That why im stick with amd. I love the cards and i will continue to do so. Anyway, here in Sweden you can clearly see that nvidia is the biggest and almost the only market in today Standard. I hate it.
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The biggest problem with gpu market is that we have today 3 brands. Nvidia, AMD and Intel. When people is going to a store and buy a new gpu, they think nvidia. Not AMD or Intel. It is extremely rare (like for real) someone is going to buy a AMD card. You will hear that they either going to buy a nvidia card or they have bought a nvidia card. No matter the price of that card. It is absurd. That why im stick with amd. I love the cards and i will continue to do so. Anyway, here in Sweden you can clearly see that nvidia is the biggest and almost the only market in today Standard. I hate it.
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davidburk4546
I really like GN and their content, but I really don’t understand how this video was useful to anyone (maybe a investment research firm analyst assigned to predict the launch SKU timeline of the next-generation)... It’s a bunch of various data points that doesn’t say much of anything. NVIDIA has more SKUs on store shelves because retailers think they can sell. This isn’t some calculated and ingenious insight by the NVIDIA product strategy team. If the insight is that AMD has fewer SKUs nowadays, that’s how one cuts costs and simplifies a product line. Business 101
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I really like GN and their content, but I really don’t understand how this video was useful to anyone (maybe a investment research firm analyst assigned to predict the launch SKU timeline of the next-generation)... It’s a bunch of various data points that doesn’t say much of anything. NVIDIA has more SKUs on store shelves because retailers think they can sell. This isn’t some calculated and ingenious insight by the NVIDIA product strategy team. If the insight is that AMD has fewer SKUs nowadays, that’s how one cuts costs and simplifies a product line. Business 101
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DMR_MAK
I would say its hard to come to a conclusion without define the initial premise; GN never proffered a definition of flooding the market as it relates to Nvidia. I certainly don’t think so, as the standard definition is: Flooding the market is an excess amount of inventory for sale causing an undesired drop in price for the product that can, in extreme cases, make the price go negative or make the products impossible to sell at any price.
I don’t see any undesired drop in price as much as I personally would desire a drop in price.
Cheers GN, love the brainstorming.
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I would say its hard to come to a conclusion without define the initial premise; GN never proffered a definition of flooding the market as it relates to Nvidia. I certainly don’t think so, as the standard definition is: Flooding the market is an excess amount of inventory for sale causing an undesired drop in price for the product that can, in extreme cases, make the price go negative or make the products impossible to sell at any price.
I don’t see any undesired drop in price as much as I personally would desire a drop in price.
Cheers GN, love the brainstorming.
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