Removing Intel i5-10400 Power Limits on H470 vs. AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (ft. ASUS APE)
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Date: 2020-06-19
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Toms
Memory part reminds of funny comments.
1) ryzen needs fast memory -doesnt need it but you can get a bit extra instead of running like 2400mhz.
2) ryzen sucks because you cant run fast memory like you can on intel -if intel doesnt need fast memory also then what does the higher speeds matter? And if it does benefit from faster memory like ryzen does (and they do) then how is it any different?
Now it turns out that if you have a B series board you're really heavily memory limited on Intel which could do with faster ram, Oh the irony.
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Memory part reminds of funny comments.
1) ryzen needs fast memory -doesnt need it but you can get a bit extra instead of running like 2400mhz.
2) ryzen sucks because you cant run fast memory like you can on intel -if intel doesnt need fast memory also then what does the higher speeds matter? And if it does benefit from faster memory like ryzen does (and they do) then how is it any different?
Now it turns out that if you have a B series board you're really heavily memory limited on Intel which could do with faster ram, Oh the irony.
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Alistair
This is the same thing as increasing the power limit on your GPU even if you can't change the clock or memory speed. It does absolutely nothing unless you are already hitting the power limit.
Asus MCE already increased the power limits... nothing is different. They created marketing to imply something has changed, when actually it is exactly the same as before. It was hard to find on the Asus H410m as it is under the performance setting . So we have performance setting MCE APE blah blah 3 terms for the same thing.
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This is the same thing as increasing the power limit on your GPU even if you can't change the clock or memory speed. It does absolutely nothing unless you are already hitting the power limit.
Asus MCE already increased the power limits... nothing is different. They created marketing to imply something has changed, when actually it is exactly the same as before. It was hard to find on the Asus H410m as it is under the performance setting . So we have performance setting MCE APE blah blah 3 terms for the same thing.
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itech
At least Asus APE doesn't make M/B Garbage... Asrock's BFB is more of bug than a feature, With BFB now you can't change power limit normal way, and can only change through BFB Setting, with which now you can only raise up to 125W vs 4000W of older B360 MB. It's really irritating since Asrock's B460M Steel legend has The best VRM at that price point and can definitely handle more than 210W, but now you can't fully utilise 107 non-K....
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At least Asus APE doesn't make M/B Garbage... Asrock's BFB is more of bug than a feature, With BFB now you can't change power limit normal way, and can only change through BFB Setting, with which now you can only raise up to 125W vs 4000W of older B360 MB. It's really irritating since Asrock's B460M Steel legend has The best VRM at that price point and can definitely handle more than 210W, but now you can't fully utilise 107 non-K....
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Arno
If intel releases even less efficient parts, that feature might be useful.
Otherwise that lineup of chipset and cpu is more for oem builds, where whatever ram is cheapest that day, just goes in and runs at default settings anyway.
So in reality 2666 MTf/s is a limit that is not reached. And some might use TDP down to get away with a cheaper cooler, while others rely on thermal throttling.
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If intel releases even less efficient parts, that feature might be useful.
Otherwise that lineup of chipset and cpu is more for oem builds, where whatever ram is cheapest that day, just goes in and runs at default settings anyway.
So in reality 2666 MTf/s is a limit that is not reached. And some might use TDP down to get away with a cheaper cooler, while others rely on thermal throttling.
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Ritesh
This is awesome content. Do you think a i7-10700 with APE (or PL1/PL2 limits tuned) can outperform a 10600k ? This is quite relevant at the moment because 10600k processors are not available anywhere, whereas i7-10700 can be easily bought on Amazon, microcenter, best buy, etc for 320. Which is not much of a premium over the 10600k, given the 2 extra cores. Thanks.
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This is awesome content. Do you think a i7-10700 with APE (or PL1/PL2 limits tuned) can outperform a 10600k ? This is quite relevant at the moment because 10600k processors are not available anywhere, whereas i7-10700 can be easily bought on Amazon, microcenter, best buy, etc for 320. Which is not much of a premium over the 10600k, given the 2 extra cores. Thanks.
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dhgodzilla1
They (ASUS) also have a Performance Booster for their Budget Video Cards lol. The software runs in windows & supposedly tweaks windows to run the Card Better when you run the Software. To be fair the ASUS RX 550 isn't a Bad Card considering it only uses 8X PCIe & not the full 16. But I thought I would mention that Software to ask you guys about that too
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They (ASUS) also have a Performance Booster for their Budget Video Cards lol. The software runs in windows & supposedly tweaks windows to run the Card Better when you run the Software. To be fair the ASUS RX 550 isn't a Bad Card considering it only uses 8X PCIe & not the full 16. But I thought I would mention that Software to ask you guys about that too
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s8wc3
The memory freq limit is such a bogus limitation. I can't fathom a reason why they would need to do this, especially when their competition doesn't. Intel has shown they can unlock overclocking features on non-Z chipsets in the past with a BIOS or microcode update, see back when the G3258 came out. They can do it again now.
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The memory freq limit is such a bogus limitation. I can't fathom a reason why they would need to do this, especially when their competition doesn't. Intel has shown they can unlock overclocking features on non-Z chipsets in the past with a BIOS or microcode update, see back when the G3258 came out. They can do it again now.
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Conza
Imagine if the 10600K competed price wise with the 3600X? Now that would be cool Intel, they're both the 5 series, I mean c'mon, you released that almost 3 years ago as an i7, time for it to be cheaper, it's the same chip just different pin out and IHS/die sizes, that's not a big change (other than compatibility obviously)
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Imagine if the 10600K competed price wise with the 3600X? Now that would be cool Intel, they're both the 5 series, I mean c'mon, you released that almost 3 years ago as an i7, time for it to be cheaper, it's the same chip just different pin out and IHS/die sizes, that's not a big change (other than compatibility obviously)
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Ivan
You could have tested with a 10700 and/or a 10900 and get a more interesting video, as these SKUs really show a measurable difference in both performance and power draw
EDIT: You've adressed this later in the video. My apologies.
If anyone is interested, TPU tested various locked CPUs with power limits removed.
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You could have tested with a 10700 and/or a 10900 and get a more interesting video, as these SKUs really show a measurable difference in both performance and power draw
EDIT: You've adressed this later in the video. My apologies.
If anyone is interested, TPU tested various locked CPUs with power limits removed.
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Alistair
The Gigabyte B460M is so bad, the VRM hits 110 degrees and throttles at 80 watts, and PL1 stock is 85 for the 10700. Probably the worst MB I've ever seen. I reduced it by 5 watts from stock and it still throttled. Forget increasing the PL1, it doesn't even work at 100 percent load if you reduce it down.
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The Gigabyte B460M is so bad, the VRM hits 110 degrees and throttles at 80 watts, and PL1 stock is 85 for the 10700. Probably the worst MB I've ever seen. I reduced it by 5 watts from stock and it still throttled. Forget increasing the PL1, it doesn't even work at 100 percent load if you reduce it down.
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