Would Linux Users Pay For Microsoft Or Adobe Software? DistroTube
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Date: 2022-03-30
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dziadekw
-It is not a rant against open software-
I exclusivly run linux / bsd systems on my computers. I was heavy Adobe suite user in a past.
Sadly Adobe is i gold standard when comes to graphic design. It is a book sized topic but essentially it it boils down to
1.Color separation cmyk sucks on gimp
2.Typography (text manipulation in general) is a joke on gimp
3.Color standardization and management is a nightmare on gimp (and corel)
4.Vast majority of function that are included in Photoshop and Gimp works better in Photoshop , that apply to Inkscape and Illustrator too.
Where inkscape is better replacement for illustrator then gimp for PS
Inkscape is fare more better at being an competition for AI then Gimp for PS will ever be
AND That being said it does not mean that you cant replace adobe products with their open alternatives you perfectly can as long as you do not make a living from DTP
I just said that if you DTP professional you will find you self within really difficult situation when you try to work with printing houses.
Some problems cannot be avoided. (Another book sized topic)
Omitting others will take 70% of your work time.
And this is unprofitable
And Adobe prices for software are crazy as f... couse they basicly have a monopoly.
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-It is not a rant against open software-
I exclusivly run linux / bsd systems on my computers. I was heavy Adobe suite user in a past.
Sadly Adobe is i gold standard when comes to graphic design. It is a book sized topic but essentially it it boils down to
1.Color separation cmyk sucks on gimp
2.Typography (text manipulation in general) is a joke on gimp
3.Color standardization and management is a nightmare on gimp (and corel)
4.Vast majority of function that are included in Photoshop and Gimp works better in Photoshop , that apply to Inkscape and Illustrator too.
Where inkscape is better replacement for illustrator then gimp for PS
Inkscape is fare more better at being an competition for AI then Gimp for PS will ever be
AND That being said it does not mean that you cant replace adobe products with their open alternatives you perfectly can as long as you do not make a living from DTP
I just said that if you DTP professional you will find you self within really difficult situation when you try to work with printing houses.
Some problems cannot be avoided. (Another book sized topic)
Omitting others will take 70% of your work time.
And this is unprofitable
And Adobe prices for software are crazy as f... couse they basicly have a monopoly.
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Justin
The only reason I need to keep windows is Adobe (and Fusion 360). I actually prefer Inkscape but for Screenprinting and other graphical print work, there are certain things that only work on adobe or Corel (mainly RIP software). Not even affinity works well for this. If I could easily do this in Linux, I would ditch windows right now. Not just because it's cheaper, I hate subscription-based software. The problem simply is that these software addons or plugins are created for the big guys only and the market would be too small to invest on the Linux side.
I totally agree that If some money that was spent on adobe software or whatever software would go towards open source software, we would all benefit from it. Most of the big opensource software packages are not exclusive to Linux, they work just as good under windows or mac, like the Gimp, Inkscape, Blender, Libre Office, etc.
I really, really hope Linux and open source software become big and mainstream without losing our freedom of course.
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The only reason I need to keep windows is Adobe (and Fusion 360). I actually prefer Inkscape but for Screenprinting and other graphical print work, there are certain things that only work on adobe or Corel (mainly RIP software). Not even affinity works well for this. If I could easily do this in Linux, I would ditch windows right now. Not just because it's cheaper, I hate subscription-based software. The problem simply is that these software addons or plugins are created for the big guys only and the market would be too small to invest on the Linux side.
I totally agree that If some money that was spent on adobe software or whatever software would go towards open source software, we would all benefit from it. Most of the big opensource software packages are not exclusive to Linux, they work just as good under windows or mac, like the Gimp, Inkscape, Blender, Libre Office, etc.
I really, really hope Linux and open source software become big and mainstream without losing our freedom of course.
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MrHatoi
_You and I_ wouldn't pay for this software on Linux, but the point is that there are literally thousands of Windows users who would. The lack of Adobe products especially is a huge reason why people stay on Windows or Mac instead of switching to Linux; porting over more of these products would significantly increase Linux's adoption rate. Why should you care about more people switching to Linux? Because the more people use Linux, the more _all_ developers, not just big corporations, see it as a viable platform. A lot of smaller developers, including FOSS ones, don't port their programs over to Linux because the userbase is so small that they don't see it as worth the effort. Game development is especially a big one; it's not very common to see major games that run natively on Linux. Getting more people to use Linux means that it gains legitimacy as an actual demographic to consider and not just an edge case that developers can safely ignore.
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_You and I_ wouldn't pay for this software on Linux, but the point is that there are literally thousands of Windows users who would. The lack of Adobe products especially is a huge reason why people stay on Windows or Mac instead of switching to Linux; porting over more of these products would significantly increase Linux's adoption rate. Why should you care about more people switching to Linux? Because the more people use Linux, the more _all_ developers, not just big corporations, see it as a viable platform. A lot of smaller developers, including FOSS ones, don't port their programs over to Linux because the userbase is so small that they don't see it as worth the effort. Game development is especially a big one; it's not very common to see major games that run natively on Linux. Getting more people to use Linux means that it gains legitimacy as an actual demographic to consider and not just an edge case that developers can safely ignore.
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Jeffrey
Honestly though DT if your going to keep saying Non Free software is of a lesser quality you need to take a minuim of month and live on it. The reason being people hear that and think RMS Sheep. You've never used Windows 10 but you say it's crap all the time. Bryan lunduke can get away with that because he worked at MS and actually took a Windows 10 challenge. Can you even offer MS fair criticism like ok Telemetry sucks it slows down your connection but you can turn it off and MS diddn't do so bad on their UNIX line encodings for notepad. Can someones whos been working with Photoshop for years now just switch to GIMP? Or would they be missing something even in the design of the UI. You know we need to go from use Linux it's just better then Windows to oh man I try Windows but had all these Issues so I switched to linux. Lets make Linux the solution not the competition
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Honestly though DT if your going to keep saying Non Free software is of a lesser quality you need to take a minuim of month and live on it. The reason being people hear that and think RMS Sheep. You've never used Windows 10 but you say it's crap all the time. Bryan lunduke can get away with that because he worked at MS and actually took a Windows 10 challenge. Can you even offer MS fair criticism like ok Telemetry sucks it slows down your connection but you can turn it off and MS diddn't do so bad on their UNIX line encodings for notepad. Can someones whos been working with Photoshop for years now just switch to GIMP? Or would they be missing something even in the design of the UI. You know we need to go from use Linux it's just better then Windows to oh man I try Windows but had all these Issues so I switched to linux. Lets make Linux the solution not the competition
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MineClashTV
The problem is that some proprietary programs are superior in terms of features and workflow. Don't get me wrong, I would love switching to only free and open source software, but Adobe Lightroom as an example is unrivaled by the free offerings like Rawtherapee and Darktable. I can't work with either of those, while Lightroom is straight forward and allows me to be creative (but then I have to sacrifice my freedom for creativity). Photography is the only thing that's fun for me other than playing around with Arch. Same for Photoshop, sure Gimp is fine for pretty much everyone of us but there are some people needing the features of Photoshop and the - in my opinion - superior workflow.
I would definitely prefer free and open source software getting better features than continue using Adobe software though.
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The problem is that some proprietary programs are superior in terms of features and workflow. Don't get me wrong, I would love switching to only free and open source software, but Adobe Lightroom as an example is unrivaled by the free offerings like Rawtherapee and Darktable. I can't work with either of those, while Lightroom is straight forward and allows me to be creative (but then I have to sacrifice my freedom for creativity). Photography is the only thing that's fun for me other than playing around with Arch. Same for Photoshop, sure Gimp is fine for pretty much everyone of us but there are some people needing the features of Photoshop and the - in my opinion - superior workflow.
I would definitely prefer free and open source software getting better features than continue using Adobe software though.
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Ron
Pragmatism doesn't mean giving in or having no principles, it means making decisions based on those principles and based on reality. If I believe FOSS is beneficial to everyone I would make the same decisions, if I believed giving in to companies wasn't dangerous or morally wrong I would give in and use a bunch of proprietary software.
The thing is people aren't normally very pragmatic, they idealize the norm and make excuses for it. They are unpragmatic AND ideologues. You can be an ideologue AND pragmatic as well as a pragmatic pure agnostic.
Having standards, goals, ideals doesn't mean you are acting blindly or unreasonably, it means you have those ideas, how you go about achieving them can be pragmatic or not.
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Pragmatism doesn't mean giving in or having no principles, it means making decisions based on those principles and based on reality. If I believe FOSS is beneficial to everyone I would make the same decisions, if I believed giving in to companies wasn't dangerous or morally wrong I would give in and use a bunch of proprietary software.
The thing is people aren't normally very pragmatic, they idealize the norm and make excuses for it. They are unpragmatic AND ideologues. You can be an ideologue AND pragmatic as well as a pragmatic pure agnostic.
Having standards, goals, ideals doesn't mean you are acting blindly or unreasonably, it means you have those ideas, how you go about achieving them can be pragmatic or not.
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Unleavened
I would not pay for Microsoft software such as Office, because I don't need it. I would not pay for Adobe software either, because it's an overpriced subscription module. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't pay for any proprietary software. I use both Windows & Linux and the only things preventing me from fully moving to Linux are a few proprietary software I use, such as Affinity Photo & Designer, because I don't like the UX/UI of GIMP and Inkscape, and Inkscape also doesn't have near as much features as Affinity Designer or Adobe Illustrator. I know some people, who would like the same. Another great example of a proprietary software is DaVinci Resolve, Nuke, etc. that the industry already uses on Linux.
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I would not pay for Microsoft software such as Office, because I don't need it. I would not pay for Adobe software either, because it's an overpriced subscription module. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't pay for any proprietary software. I use both Windows & Linux and the only things preventing me from fully moving to Linux are a few proprietary software I use, such as Affinity Photo & Designer, because I don't like the UX/UI of GIMP and Inkscape, and Inkscape also doesn't have near as much features as Affinity Designer or Adobe Illustrator. I know some people, who would like the same. Another great example of a proprietary software is DaVinci Resolve, Nuke, etc. that the industry already uses on Linux.
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Fmamarksman
I agree with you, but I think you-re missing the point, it-s not the Linux enthusiasts that want these programs. It-s the people that are tired of MS and others that simply can-t transition to Linux because the programs that they need for their jobs, and for compatibility with the rest of the industry. Linux is about choice. You have the choice to use FOSS only, but you surely wouldn-t agree that this would hurt Linux. Steam, for example and their proprietary software has been a boon for Linux as a whole. I-m all for FOSS, but I-m all for choice and advancing Linux to the point that the average person can transition easily, because, at the end of the day, normies don-t want change.
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I agree with you, but I think you-re missing the point, it-s not the Linux enthusiasts that want these programs. It-s the people that are tired of MS and others that simply can-t transition to Linux because the programs that they need for their jobs, and for compatibility with the rest of the industry. Linux is about choice. You have the choice to use FOSS only, but you surely wouldn-t agree that this would hurt Linux. Steam, for example and their proprietary software has been a boon for Linux as a whole. I-m all for FOSS, but I-m all for choice and advancing Linux to the point that the average person can transition easily, because, at the end of the day, normies don-t want change.
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Marcel
The -professionals- have a point. Using FOSS for professional work is fine if it is stable. When it is not -cough- kdenlive -cough-, what alternatives do people who don't have time to mess around debugging their software have? You touch on this a bit when you say that you are an idealist and not a pragmatist. When someone is paying you by the hour to get something done, you kind of have to be a pragmatist. To be clear, I am also against Adobe Premiere for moral reasons, but I understand that for some people, kdenlive isn't an option.
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The -professionals- have a point. Using FOSS for professional work is fine if it is stable. When it is not -cough- kdenlive -cough-, what alternatives do people who don't have time to mess around debugging their software have? You touch on this a bit when you say that you are an idealist and not a pragmatist. When someone is paying you by the hour to get something done, you kind of have to be a pragmatist. To be clear, I am also against Adobe Premiere for moral reasons, but I understand that for some people, kdenlive isn't an option.
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Kre-imir
Problem is that there are no free software alternative to Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign which have enough features to replace them as the industry standard.
If you are an amateur and want to do some nice-looking work, for you GIMP, Inkscape, and Scribus will probably get the job done (though, in terms of features, they are about 15 years behind Adobe CS). If you are a professional who has to work with a team of other people, you have no choice but to keep a mac or a windows PC around for that.
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Problem is that there are no free software alternative to Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign which have enough features to replace them as the industry standard.
If you are an amateur and want to do some nice-looking work, for you GIMP, Inkscape, and Scribus will probably get the job done (though, in terms of features, they are about 15 years behind Adobe CS). If you are a professional who has to work with a team of other people, you have no choice but to keep a mac or a windows PC around for that.
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