Threadripper memory bandwidth, Athlon returns, external processors, Q&A - The Full Nerd Ep. 66
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Date: 2022-03-15
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Peter
Gaming headsets driving the sale of external DAC+amp? That is likely, and ironic given that most (the Sennheiser one is an exception) gaming headsets have a bad to mediocre sound quality. I am curious if the rise of external DAC+amp is going to make users notice that the sound quality is substandard compared to good ordinary headphones. Adam (PCWorld, you should review regular headphones and gaming headsets. You use the headphones from dedicated headhpone companies with many decades of experience too, you can compare it. If you review those and contrast it to regular headhones of different quality segments (and maybe other factors, like open vs. closed and more base vs better mid-sound) then I would definitely refer people to those reviews. Maybe you are not an expert (neither am I) but you have a headstart compared to most in this business. I strongly disagree that good headphones would be less comfortable and that sound is not important for games! Sound determines the level of immersion for around 50% and good sound makes a game much more immersive while bad sound (sound-engineers who screwed up) can break it immediately.
With regard to laptops: I can't even use my headphone on my laptop (Acer budget one with a 8250u from 2018, you guys reviewed that one, I don't get any sound out of of it. I have a Sennheiser HD 700, the impedance it requires is actually not that high, only 150 ohm, but even that the laptop can't handle. When I couple my soundcard to it via a USB and connect my headphone to the soundcard then it is fine.
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Gaming headsets driving the sale of external DAC+amp? That is likely, and ironic given that most (the Sennheiser one is an exception) gaming headsets have a bad to mediocre sound quality. I am curious if the rise of external DAC+amp is going to make users notice that the sound quality is substandard compared to good ordinary headphones. Adam (PCWorld, you should review regular headphones and gaming headsets. You use the headphones from dedicated headhpone companies with many decades of experience too, you can compare it. If you review those and contrast it to regular headhones of different quality segments (and maybe other factors, like open vs. closed and more base vs better mid-sound) then I would definitely refer people to those reviews. Maybe you are not an expert (neither am I) but you have a headstart compared to most in this business. I strongly disagree that good headphones would be less comfortable and that sound is not important for games! Sound determines the level of immersion for around 50% and good sound makes a game much more immersive while bad sound (sound-engineers who screwed up) can break it immediately.
With regard to laptops: I can't even use my headphone on my laptop (Acer budget one with a 8250u from 2018, you guys reviewed that one, I don't get any sound out of of it. I have a Sennheiser HD 700, the impedance it requires is actually not that high, only 150 ohm, but even that the laptop can't handle. When I couple my soundcard to it via a USB and connect my headphone to the soundcard then it is fine.
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john
Re: the Athlon 200GE - You guys seem to have missed the Jaguar based AM1 socket Athlon and Sempron APUs. Can't blame you, they were dire as desktop PCs, but they were handy for little low power infrastructure stuff. They were too limited on connectivity though. A micro atx board and 200GE will be useful++. For my tower i want all the performance but i'm actually quite excited about the 200GE and 200GE Pro. EDIT: I had athlons in the olden days, love that AMD has kept the name going. I still have a Duron 1ghz based laptop in a cupboard lol
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Re: the Athlon 200GE - You guys seem to have missed the Jaguar based AM1 socket Athlon and Sempron APUs. Can't blame you, they were dire as desktop PCs, but they were handy for little low power infrastructure stuff. They were too limited on connectivity though. A micro atx board and 200GE will be useful++. For my tower i want all the performance but i'm actually quite excited about the 200GE and 200GE Pro. EDIT: I had athlons in the olden days, love that AMD has kept the name going. I still have a Duron 1ghz based laptop in a cupboard lol
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Drew
I agree with AMD moving Athlon to the low end. Granted they used to great in the 1ghz/dual core days but the last decade if you got a junk PC it had that Athlon or Pentium badge. Personally I'm happy to see the name back in action. And with the impression consumers have of it I think it fits perfectly for a $55 chip. I'd actually like to see them expand it to have all the APUs like the 2200/2400 or to just be the lowish end like the Ryzen 3. That would leave the Ryzen name for mid range/high end processors.
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I agree with AMD moving Athlon to the low end. Granted they used to great in the 1ghz/dual core days but the last decade if you got a junk PC it had that Athlon or Pentium badge. Personally I'm happy to see the name back in action. And with the impression consumers have of it I think it fits perfectly for a $55 chip. I'd actually like to see them expand it to have all the APUs like the 2200/2400 or to just be the lowish end like the Ryzen 3. That would leave the Ryzen name for mid range/high end processors.
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pcworld
If you want a great audio experience without additional cost for a DAC and you're using HDMI, check your monitor for an audio out port. The audio from that is a leap better than what most motherboards give you. A sound card might still benefit you if it does onboard decoding of all of the formats you use which the GPU AIB likely doesn't. FWI, stereo audio extension cables are very inexpensive.
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If you want a great audio experience without additional cost for a DAC and you're using HDMI, check your monitor for an audio out port. The audio from that is a leap better than what most motherboards give you. A sound card might still benefit you if it does onboard decoding of all of the formats you use which the GPU AIB likely doesn't. FWI, stereo audio extension cables are very inexpensive.
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Giovanni
Going with the apartment model, the reason it goes from '5' to '2' is the people pathways and exits aren't optimised. -Dude, the garage is out the back door, your in the wrong apartment- And -If I knew you were going in and out of the apartment building all the time I would have changed apartments with you because I'm a homebody-. Optimisation.
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Going with the apartment model, the reason it goes from '5' to '2' is the people pathways and exits aren't optimised. -Dude, the garage is out the back door, your in the wrong apartment- And -If I knew you were going in and out of the apartment building all the time I would have changed apartments with you because I'm a homebody-. Optimisation.
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evocatiproductions
Brad said that in the FX era, Athlon was just an FX Chip without Graphics. That statement does not make sense at all to me. In the FX Era, FX didn't have graphics. I am confused.
Much Love though everyone! Just wondering if I missed an early FX with Graphics onboard.
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Brad said that in the FX era, Athlon was just an FX Chip without Graphics. That statement does not make sense at all to me. In the FX Era, FX didn't have graphics. I am confused.
Much Love though everyone! Just wondering if I missed an early FX with Graphics onboard.
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pcworld
If the mCable always works and provides satisfactory AA I'd rather use that than bump up my GPU for just that purpose. Maybe pair it with a low end GPU that can smoothly run all the games you play without AA. It's an option at least where electricity is very expensive.
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If the mCable always works and provides satisfactory AA I'd rather use that than bump up my GPU for just that purpose. Maybe pair it with a low end GPU that can smoothly run all the games you play without AA. It's an option at least where electricity is very expensive.
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Lexie
I've got M50X and Edifier S880DBs but find the onboard audio on my X370-F is actually reasonably good enough. I can get better sound out of the gear but not enough of a difference to care enough to spend money on anything. Onboard audio has come a long way.
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I've got M50X and Edifier S880DBs but find the onboard audio on my X370-F is actually reasonably good enough. I can get better sound out of the gear but not enough of a difference to care enough to spend money on anything. Onboard audio has come a long way.
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Peter
-14: 30
Yes, you better point that one out, Gordon Ung. Indeed, the people would have let you know. :)
Joking put aside, it is important that it is pointed out, especially because MS might fix it if there is enough public attention for this.
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-14: 30
Yes, you better point that one out, Gordon Ung. Indeed, the people would have let you know. :)
Joking put aside, it is important that it is pointed out, especially because MS might fix it if there is enough public attention for this.
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Max
Gordon mentioned on his 1920 x 1080 build video that he prefers U. 2 over the M. 2 for storage. Any chance you could show something on that socket. My new Zenith board accually has a U. 2 socket.
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Gordon mentioned on his 1920 x 1080 build video that he prefers U. 2 over the M. 2 for storage. Any chance you could show something on that socket. My new Zenith board accually has a U. 2 socket.
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