Would You Fly on a BOEING 737 MAX 8?
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The fact that pilots did not follow that standard procedure and that the co-pilots did not either, suggest maybe some lax training in some airlines regarding some standard failure scenarios. Again this being a memory item for the 737 (all types, it should definitely have been part of the recurrent training. One of the last items on that short list it to cut power to the automated trim control so that the trim wheels have to be adjusted by hand. Had the pilots done that, as they should have, the two tragedies would have been avoided.
That is the greatest tragedy here, that although the bug in MCAS and resulting failure was brand new, procedures already existed for the airplane to ensure that everyone survived that event. I daresay that the net result of these tragic events is that the 737 MAX is probably the safest plane to fly now, as pilots are probably trained more explicitly about the runaway stabilizer memory items as a consequence.
Date: 2023-08-20
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Stone
So I flew home to see my parents on a Southwest 737 MAX for Thanksgiving 2018 from EWR-FLL. Being an avgeek I was aware of the Lion Air crash 3 weeks prior and the spat ongoing at the time between Boeing and the Indonesia government but the Ethiopian crash was still a few months out. I noticed a surprisingly steep climb which I just chalked up to NYC airspace which can often involve very steep climbs and descents. My uncle was a NY Center ATC supervisor and worked on projects with the FAA to rework Washington DC and NYC flight patterns. So the steep climb may actually have just been normal for all I know but its a little worrying in hindsight.
Anyways, the point of all this, was that the 737 MAX was hands down the nicest aircraft I had (and still have) ever flown on. The aircraft itself was simply a joy and I was very excited about its future. Now hopefully everything is safe and this great aircraft can go on to decades of flights that raise the bar for the general comfort of air travel.
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So I flew home to see my parents on a Southwest 737 MAX for Thanksgiving 2018 from EWR-FLL. Being an avgeek I was aware of the Lion Air crash 3 weeks prior and the spat ongoing at the time between Boeing and the Indonesia government but the Ethiopian crash was still a few months out. I noticed a surprisingly steep climb which I just chalked up to NYC airspace which can often involve very steep climbs and descents. My uncle was a NY Center ATC supervisor and worked on projects with the FAA to rework Washington DC and NYC flight patterns. So the steep climb may actually have just been normal for all I know but its a little worrying in hindsight.
Anyways, the point of all this, was that the 737 MAX was hands down the nicest aircraft I had (and still have) ever flown on. The aircraft itself was simply a joy and I was very excited about its future. Now hopefully everything is safe and this great aircraft can go on to decades of flights that raise the bar for the general comfort of air travel.
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Faze
Hi Noel
I do enjoy watching your reviews. Next week I am flying Aeromexico business from LHR to Cancun.
Part 2 of the flight is from Mexico City.
The itinerary clearly sets out the aircraft type on all 4 sectors including the return flight. except that sector from Mexico City.
I had to call Aeromexico who advised it was a 737 max 800.
But the main reason I called indicated the seat plan was a three three configuration with the centre seat left vacant. It came across as a economy seat and I was puzzled because I could not find information on any of their 737s with this set up.
Another thing is they have classified this sector as premier light.
Once again really interesting and enjoyable videos that I love watching.
Best regards
Gary
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Hi Noel
I do enjoy watching your reviews. Next week I am flying Aeromexico business from LHR to Cancun.
Part 2 of the flight is from Mexico City.
The itinerary clearly sets out the aircraft type on all 4 sectors including the return flight. except that sector from Mexico City.
I had to call Aeromexico who advised it was a 737 max 800.
But the main reason I called indicated the seat plan was a three three configuration with the centre seat left vacant. It came across as a economy seat and I was puzzled because I could not find information on any of their 737s with this set up.
Another thing is they have classified this sector as premier light.
Once again really interesting and enjoyable videos that I love watching.
Best regards
Gary
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Googl
Avoid flying on Boeing 737 MAX series. These are the planes that were grounded for almost 2 years because of crashing.
Boeing updated the software on the plane but did not fix the design of the plane which is main problem, if the plane was designed for the new engines from the start, they wouldn't need a software to correct the pitch of the nose at all times. Structural design of the plane remains flawed and therefore to avoid crashing, the plane relies on software to fly properly.
From a maintenance at one of the major airports I can tell you I wouldn't put my family on a 737 Max plane, we fly frequently, but never on Max series, these planes are still flawed and it's only matter of time before we will see another catastrophe.
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Avoid flying on Boeing 737 MAX series. These are the planes that were grounded for almost 2 years because of crashing.
Boeing updated the software on the plane but did not fix the design of the plane which is main problem, if the plane was designed for the new engines from the start, they wouldn't need a software to correct the pitch of the nose at all times. Structural design of the plane remains flawed and therefore to avoid crashing, the plane relies on software to fly properly.
From a maintenance at one of the major airports I can tell you I wouldn't put my family on a 737 Max plane, we fly frequently, but never on Max series, these planes are still flawed and it's only matter of time before we will see another catastrophe.
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allan
737 is a 1960s design and in max-8 configuration, is inherently unstable aerodynamically. I do not believe these planes can glide like other passenger designation planes should there be an engine issue.
The planes inception was a cost cutting exercise by Boeing. If they are using a 50 year old design, it speaks volumes about the aircraft. Imagine if your surgeon was using techniques and know-how from the 1960s today?
On principle, I always check what aircraft it is before clicking buy and prefer airlines that fly older 737s or Airbus planes.
Boring in 2020 is using Boeing 1960 know-how minus 1960 ethics.
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737 is a 1960s design and in max-8 configuration, is inherently unstable aerodynamically. I do not believe these planes can glide like other passenger designation planes should there be an engine issue.
The planes inception was a cost cutting exercise by Boeing. If they are using a 50 year old design, it speaks volumes about the aircraft. Imagine if your surgeon was using techniques and know-how from the 1960s today?
On principle, I always check what aircraft it is before clicking buy and prefer airlines that fly older 737s or Airbus planes.
Boring in 2020 is using Boeing 1960 know-how minus 1960 ethics.
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a340
Given the option, I wouldn't chose to fly on a Max. In my view it's a 50 year old design now fitted with fancy wing tips and oversize engines, it's only going to take one more accident for Boeing to be finished. Airbus offer a far more superior product with the 320/321 and why any airline would chose the Max over the Airbus surprises me especially when a lot of people will have reservations about travelling on one. Obviously cost price must be playing a huge impact on the sales of the Max over the 320/321
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Given the option, I wouldn't chose to fly on a Max. In my view it's a 50 year old design now fitted with fancy wing tips and oversize engines, it's only going to take one more accident for Boeing to be finished. Airbus offer a far more superior product with the 320/321 and why any airline would chose the Max over the Airbus surprises me especially when a lot of people will have reservations about travelling on one. Obviously cost price must be playing a huge impact on the sales of the Max over the 320/321
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Raz88
I wouldnt make the claim that this is a safe aircraft still. It is a 60 year old design that has been modded and modded to hell. It needs janky software to artificially level the plane because of how BADLY it is ballanced. Its a cost saving measure which saves money for the airlines at the expense of its passengers safety. And this guys over here like yea this plane killed a bunch of people because of its inherently flawed design but the cup holders are really nice and that makes it safe in my eyes
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I wouldnt make the claim that this is a safe aircraft still. It is a 60 year old design that has been modded and modded to hell. It needs janky software to artificially level the plane because of how BADLY it is ballanced. Its a cost saving measure which saves money for the airlines at the expense of its passengers safety. And this guys over here like yea this plane killed a bunch of people because of its inherently flawed design but the cup holders are really nice and that makes it safe in my eyes
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Pikska
I think your last comment about how the two crashes wasnt in vain and that extra safety measures were taken. Thats not good enough. It shouldve been safe to begin with. I would never step foot on that plane. It may be the safest of planes these days who knows (issues that didnt arise in over hundreds of tests suddenly came up in those two crashes, whats to say new unforeseen issues arise again, but I wouldnt be able to rest on that planeever little bump and turn Id wonder is this it? No thanks.
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I think your last comment about how the two crashes wasnt in vain and that extra safety measures were taken. Thats not good enough. It shouldve been safe to begin with. I would never step foot on that plane. It may be the safest of planes these days who knows (issues that didnt arise in over hundreds of tests suddenly came up in those two crashes, whats to say new unforeseen issues arise again, but I wouldnt be able to rest on that planeever little bump and turn Id wonder is this it? No thanks.
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Encinaar
You have nothing to support your claim about 737 Max 8 is probably the safest aircraft. From what I read, it seems that Boing did not wanted to be behind of Airbus and tried to accelerate things by ignoring safety measures. MCAS is now fixed. OK, but what about the next MCAS waiting to cause another disaster? Did they thoroughly test the aircraft. Because reports say that Boeing did not mentioned the name of MCAS subsystem in their documents and pilots were not aware of its existence.
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You have nothing to support your claim about 737 Max 8 is probably the safest aircraft. From what I read, it seems that Boing did not wanted to be behind of Airbus and tried to accelerate things by ignoring safety measures. MCAS is now fixed. OK, but what about the next MCAS waiting to cause another disaster? Did they thoroughly test the aircraft. Because reports say that Boeing did not mentioned the name of MCAS subsystem in their documents and pilots were not aware of its existence.
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Bea
Absolutely hate the 737 MAX 8! Except for the back seat screens, there is nothing comfortable or nice on this noisy plane. Did two flights and both were equally uncomfortable with tiny seats, tiny isle where you can only walk sideways and it is virtually impossible to bypass another passenger and the tiny toilet with even tinier sink where the water splashes all around because your hands cannot fit in there. MAXimum discomfort for MAXimum profits. Surely, Boeing could do better than this!
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Absolutely hate the 737 MAX 8! Except for the back seat screens, there is nothing comfortable or nice on this noisy plane. Did two flights and both were equally uncomfortable with tiny seats, tiny isle where you can only walk sideways and it is virtually impossible to bypass another passenger and the tiny toilet with even tinier sink where the water splashes all around because your hands cannot fit in there. MAXimum discomfort for MAXimum profits. Surely, Boeing could do better than this!
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GianCarlo
Y'all gullible goobers in this comment section FAILED to realize that even with the microscope scrutiny of inspectors inspecting the 737-Max, these so-called inspectors are Boeing themselves doing it.
There's even a report of Boeing deceiving the FAA with their inspections and you gullible folks here just thought that because this plane is/was inspected a lot, in the end means it was inspected by Boeing and FAA themselves. No independent 3rd party to do so.
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Y'all gullible goobers in this comment section FAILED to realize that even with the microscope scrutiny of inspectors inspecting the 737-Max, these so-called inspectors are Boeing themselves doing it.
There's even a report of Boeing deceiving the FAA with their inspections and you gullible folks here just thought that because this plane is/was inspected a lot, in the end means it was inspected by Boeing and FAA themselves. No independent 3rd party to do so.
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OrcinusApple
Flew on one of Southwest's 737 max8's a few weeks ago. It was about an hour flight from idaho to my following connecting flight in Arizona. It was really smooth and probably the quietest flight I've ever been on. Everyone has different opinions, but honestly I felt really safe. I actually prefer the max to 800s or 700s. Really spacious and the seats are comfortable, not to mention I love the music and mood lighting.
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Flew on one of Southwest's 737 max8's a few weeks ago. It was about an hour flight from idaho to my following connecting flight in Arizona. It was really smooth and probably the quietest flight I've ever been on. Everyone has different opinions, but honestly I felt really safe. I actually prefer the max to 800s or 700s. Really spacious and the seats are comfortable, not to mention I love the music and mood lighting.
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Dan
As bill taylor says below, the internal cost cutting, lack of putting passengers 1st anymore and general dropping standards makes me hesitant to fly a max. 8, not just due to past crashes but principle, i think that Boeing management a disgrace and they knew mcas not safe and highly likely crash again after reports on the lion air crash, they devious and still take little responsibility
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As bill taylor says below, the internal cost cutting, lack of putting passengers 1st anymore and general dropping standards makes me hesitant to fly a max. 8, not just due to past crashes but principle, i think that Boeing management a disgrace and they knew mcas not safe and highly likely crash again after reports on the lion air crash, they devious and still take little responsibility
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mr
Although they have been fixed, re-tested and re-certified I would not want to get on one until enough time has passed that new issues are unlikely to be discovered ( say 3 years from the date they were first re-introduced ) and they have accumulated enough flights without crashes to have a good flight/fatality ratio ( about 5 million flights without incident)
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Although they have been fixed, re-tested and re-certified I would not want to get on one until enough time has passed that new issues are unlikely to be discovered ( say 3 years from the date they were first re-introduced ) and they have accumulated enough flights without crashes to have a good flight/fatality ratio ( about 5 million flights without incident)
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MarZg
lets be sure. None of these accidents with the MAX version should have happened. That's Boeings fault and the reason why passengers are afraid and don't want to get on this plane. It's not a surprising thing. They always want to save some money and then. they're hush up all these things that's a disgusting business.
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lets be sure. None of these accidents with the MAX version should have happened. That's Boeings fault and the reason why passengers are afraid and don't want to get on this plane. It's not a surprising thing. They always want to save some money and then. they're hush up all these things that's a disgusting business.
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Vic501
I would not fly on any 373 Max. Much prefer the Neo. They have to come up with something new, 100% tested outside the companys control, and used for 4 years commercially before I set foot in a new Boeing plane. Until then, Ill chose to fly based on Airbus.
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I would not fly on any 373 Max. Much prefer the Neo. They have to come up with something new, 100% tested outside the companys control, and used for 4 years commercially before I set foot in a new Boeing plane. Until then, Ill chose to fly based on Airbus.
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NEC
No i wouldnt I prefer to pay a little more if its an airbus the shit to come out of boeings factories from workworkers about how bad the 787 dreamliners are and the fact they didnt tell the pilots about MCAS, how could you trust a company again after that?
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No i wouldnt I prefer to pay a little more if its an airbus the shit to come out of boeings factories from workworkers about how bad the 787 dreamliners are and the fact they didnt tell the pilots about MCAS, how could you trust a company again after that?
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FK
You can never fully trust a plane that was built with a design fault and a workaround fix through software.
This alone makes the plane a fail. The plane is harder to control in certain situations. So a failed plane corrected by software and pilots.
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You can never fully trust a plane that was built with a design fault and a workaround fix through software.
This alone makes the plane a fail. The plane is harder to control in certain situations. So a failed plane corrected by software and pilots.
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fruitpunch
Absolutely disgraceful this plane was allowed to re-enter service. For the people defending this plane and saying how excited you are to fly on it now, just think of the 346 people that died because of Boeings negligence. Disgusting.
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Absolutely disgraceful this plane was allowed to re-enter service. For the people defending this plane and saying how excited you are to fly on it now, just think of the 346 people that died because of Boeings negligence. Disgusting.
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ocsurfreport
This is a PROVEN company that does not give two ss about your or anyone's life, and they went trough some tests (That should have been done in the first place, and now people TRUST them again? That is ludicrous to say the least.
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This is a PROVEN company that does not give two ss about your or anyone's life, and they went trough some tests (That should have been done in the first place, and now people TRUST them again? That is ludicrous to say the least.
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