Heres Why Teslas are Going to Be Dirt Cheap This Year
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Date: 2020-03-17
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Arsyad
It always seems that toyota KNEW what they were doing with the prius. They were looking forward atleast 20 years with that car and the concept of hybrid vehicles in general. Here me out: Toyota was the first to mass produce a successful hybrid car. Nobody had done it yet at that time, so they had the edge in terms of experience, reliability and technology when everybody else started jumping in the hybrid bandwagon. Toyota made their hybrid so it wudnt be actively intrusive in its use. Some of their lineups dont have plugins but and the hybrids are just there to only lend a hand, not ocassionally take full control like beemers or merc hybrids. They really coudnt be bothered with EVs because from a resource and business standpoint, it really is a waste. A tesla has 500kg of battery, a standard hybrid probably have 100-200kg of battery. U can build 3-4 toyota battery packs where tesla could only build 1. Toyota is in the business of selling affordable, accessible cars to the masses. Teslas and EVs in general are the complete opposite of that. Theyre neither affordable nor accessible, and their reliability has yet to be tested. Toyota KNOWS how to make engines. Theyve been designing and building their engines for several decades now. Why bother diverting huge resources into something completely new when ur current expertise is ur bread and butter? They have and still make the best normal drivetrains in the world. They initiated the hybridization program so they could (atleast) build up the experience, expertise and techniques on how to economically electrify their lineup. Atleast, at worse case scenario theyre forced to go full EV in relatively short period of time, theyll be ready for it.
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It always seems that toyota KNEW what they were doing with the prius. They were looking forward atleast 20 years with that car and the concept of hybrid vehicles in general. Here me out: Toyota was the first to mass produce a successful hybrid car. Nobody had done it yet at that time, so they had the edge in terms of experience, reliability and technology when everybody else started jumping in the hybrid bandwagon. Toyota made their hybrid so it wudnt be actively intrusive in its use. Some of their lineups dont have plugins but and the hybrids are just there to only lend a hand, not ocassionally take full control like beemers or merc hybrids. They really coudnt be bothered with EVs because from a resource and business standpoint, it really is a waste. A tesla has 500kg of battery, a standard hybrid probably have 100-200kg of battery. U can build 3-4 toyota battery packs where tesla could only build 1. Toyota is in the business of selling affordable, accessible cars to the masses. Teslas and EVs in general are the complete opposite of that. Theyre neither affordable nor accessible, and their reliability has yet to be tested. Toyota KNOWS how to make engines. Theyve been designing and building their engines for several decades now. Why bother diverting huge resources into something completely new when ur current expertise is ur bread and butter? They have and still make the best normal drivetrains in the world. They initiated the hybridization program so they could (atleast) build up the experience, expertise and techniques on how to economically electrify their lineup. Atleast, at worse case scenario theyre forced to go full EV in relatively short period of time, theyll be ready for it.
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aftonline
The old Nissan Leafs had the limited range. The latest model gets over 200 miles. They just needed a bigger battery pack, and Nissan never thought people would use them for more than a city car. But then the Tesla Model 3 came along, and Nissan finally had some competition in the lower price bracket, so had to up their game. I've looked at cheaper used EV's locally here in Australia, and they almost always are from that 2010 to 2015 era and have poor range. The thing about EV's is that people who buy them now are taking a gamble that eventually gas prices will rise and their investment will pay off. Either way, they are paying it forward by paying more on the purchase price, and benefiting from cheap electricity in the meantime. Resale value is good on EV's too, so it wouldn't be too hard to trade up in 5 years when better EV's come on the market. But you do have to invest the money now to benefit in the future. Personally, I won't buy one until the used ones with good range come into the sub 15k price range. So probably I am looking at buying a 2018 Nissan Leaf in 5 years time.
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The old Nissan Leafs had the limited range. The latest model gets over 200 miles. They just needed a bigger battery pack, and Nissan never thought people would use them for more than a city car. But then the Tesla Model 3 came along, and Nissan finally had some competition in the lower price bracket, so had to up their game. I've looked at cheaper used EV's locally here in Australia, and they almost always are from that 2010 to 2015 era and have poor range. The thing about EV's is that people who buy them now are taking a gamble that eventually gas prices will rise and their investment will pay off. Either way, they are paying it forward by paying more on the purchase price, and benefiting from cheap electricity in the meantime. Resale value is good on EV's too, so it wouldn't be too hard to trade up in 5 years when better EV's come on the market. But you do have to invest the money now to benefit in the future. Personally, I won't buy one until the used ones with good range come into the sub 15k price range. So probably I am looking at buying a 2018 Nissan Leaf in 5 years time.
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Gruntsworth
I like how the same people that want to electrify everything are also the same people that are trying to shut down almost every source of electricity we have. Derp. The problem with electric vehicles is energy distribution. An hour+ to charge on current rapid chargers. What happens when batteries have 5x modern capacity to compete with gasoline? That is a colossal amount of energy that will need to be delivered to be charged in a reasonable amount of time. You'll need to have gas stations that can put out MWs of power. Our modern grid is nowhere even close to being able to deliver that. And the money you save from using electricity will go out the window once the demand for power skyrockets. I honestly think hydrogen cars are going to be the future. And I wouldn't go anywhere near a Tesla as a main vehicle. It's pretty unbelievable how poorly built they still are after all these years. Terrible reliability and they still can't get their panels to fit together properly.
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I like how the same people that want to electrify everything are also the same people that are trying to shut down almost every source of electricity we have. Derp. The problem with electric vehicles is energy distribution. An hour+ to charge on current rapid chargers. What happens when batteries have 5x modern capacity to compete with gasoline? That is a colossal amount of energy that will need to be delivered to be charged in a reasonable amount of time. You'll need to have gas stations that can put out MWs of power. Our modern grid is nowhere even close to being able to deliver that. And the money you save from using electricity will go out the window once the demand for power skyrockets. I honestly think hydrogen cars are going to be the future. And I wouldn't go anywhere near a Tesla as a main vehicle. It's pretty unbelievable how poorly built they still are after all these years. Terrible reliability and they still can't get their panels to fit together properly.
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Joe
Scotty, you're not right. (1st time) China mandated strong use of electric vehicles by 2030. They stumbled because of infrastructure. The failure had to do with the initial quality of batteries holding up. The new technologies made be Tesla, Panasonic and Korea just got permission to build in China. Tesla's cars are not considered expensive for many there, and with most of Europe, Indonesia and Israel going 100% electric this decade requires the gigaplants to start being built now to meet those times. So there is unfettered growth coming, despite some early setbacks. China learns fast, copies even faster, and is improving quality faster than Korea did. Though oil will continue to be cheap as demand wanes, China doesn't have the internal oil production capacity. To be self reliant, their investment in power plants and electrical grid capacity will free them from dependence from Russia, North Korea and the Middle East.
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Scotty, you're not right. (1st time) China mandated strong use of electric vehicles by 2030. They stumbled because of infrastructure. The failure had to do with the initial quality of batteries holding up. The new technologies made be Tesla, Panasonic and Korea just got permission to build in China. Tesla's cars are not considered expensive for many there, and with most of Europe, Indonesia and Israel going 100% electric this decade requires the gigaplants to start being built now to meet those times. So there is unfettered growth coming, despite some early setbacks. China learns fast, copies even faster, and is improving quality faster than Korea did. Though oil will continue to be cheap as demand wanes, China doesn't have the internal oil production capacity. To be self reliant, their investment in power plants and electrical grid capacity will free them from dependence from Russia, North Korea and the Middle East.
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Lazlo
I just took my 1989 Buick Park Avenue from Beatrice, NE to Lincoln, NE to Nebraska City, NE to Kansas City, MO and back via the same route yesterday. Straight up 30 mpg and went 73 to 75mph the entire trip. I was the only car I saw on the trip that was that old and certainly of that body style. I've had quite a bit of work done to maintain it, but I'm still way underneath the price of a new car and the plates and taxes are so cheap since it's that old. I was a junior in high school when it was new. It's our main cross country cruiser, daily driver, work car, and we love it I really love my GM 3. 8L V6. Should something catastrophic ever happen to it, I'll be looking to a Toyota Camry and Corrolla with a manual transmission as per Scotty's advice.
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I just took my 1989 Buick Park Avenue from Beatrice, NE to Lincoln, NE to Nebraska City, NE to Kansas City, MO and back via the same route yesterday. Straight up 30 mpg and went 73 to 75mph the entire trip. I was the only car I saw on the trip that was that old and certainly of that body style. I've had quite a bit of work done to maintain it, but I'm still way underneath the price of a new car and the plates and taxes are so cheap since it's that old. I was a junior in high school when it was new. It's our main cross country cruiser, daily driver, work car, and we love it I really love my GM 3. 8L V6. Should something catastrophic ever happen to it, I'll be looking to a Toyota Camry and Corrolla with a manual transmission as per Scotty's advice.
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Jason
Scotty. You are dead wrong. Dead wrong about the tesla in China And I think you are missing three very very key pieces of info. 1. Chinese consumers are INCREDIBLY Brand Conscious. Cartoonishly so even. For example many of the knock off copy cat car dealerships in china offer Rebranding as a nearly free service so as you drive away from the Scmand Scmover store you have Land Rover badging. 2. Last year Tesla announced it will building a Giga factory in China producing a China specific model. 3. Tesla's sales in China Grew in 2019 by over 150%The fall in the EV market in china is because the Chinese consumer is going to buy Teslas like crazy. Like black Friday shoppers on a half price tv.
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Scotty. You are dead wrong. Dead wrong about the tesla in China And I think you are missing three very very key pieces of info. 1. Chinese consumers are INCREDIBLY Brand Conscious. Cartoonishly so even. For example many of the knock off copy cat car dealerships in china offer Rebranding as a nearly free service so as you drive away from the Scmand Scmover store you have Land Rover badging. 2. Last year Tesla announced it will building a Giga factory in China producing a China specific model. 3. Tesla's sales in China Grew in 2019 by over 150%The fall in the EV market in china is because the Chinese consumer is going to buy Teslas like crazy. Like black Friday shoppers on a half price tv.
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maverickbay154
I hate going to gas stations, youll have to wait in line, touch the gas pump with your bare hands after its been contaminated by someone else, etc. If you go to gas stations or costco for gas, youll spend more money. If you have to go to a gas station just to fill up, youre not going to fill up and go home. Now if you had an electric car, you just charge it overnight. Even if gas is cheaper, the convenience of having your transportation all charged is something that cannot be underestimated. Yes, electric cars are expensive from an initial outlay, but theyre an attractive proposition. Now, if you had a plug-in hybrid, thats a game changer. Best of both worlds.
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I hate going to gas stations, youll have to wait in line, touch the gas pump with your bare hands after its been contaminated by someone else, etc. If you go to gas stations or costco for gas, youll spend more money. If you have to go to a gas station just to fill up, youre not going to fill up and go home. Now if you had an electric car, you just charge it overnight. Even if gas is cheaper, the convenience of having your transportation all charged is something that cannot be underestimated. Yes, electric cars are expensive from an initial outlay, but theyre an attractive proposition. Now, if you had a plug-in hybrid, thats a game changer. Best of both worlds.
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Davin
speaking of planned obsolescence, Toyota kept putting the outdated Etunes 2. 0 infotainment system in some '18 & '19 models and won't upgrade them Entunes 3. 0. That means owners with older model Toyota's are stuck with the outdated system and will never get Android Auto or Apple Car Play unless we buy an aftermarket system. They only put the new system in the redesigned models. For example, I think it is not fair the '18 Camry got the new Entunes 3. 0 system, while '18 Corolla still gets the old Entunes 2. 0 system. We shouldn't have to buy the new model to get the new system.
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speaking of planned obsolescence, Toyota kept putting the outdated Etunes 2. 0 infotainment system in some '18 & '19 models and won't upgrade them Entunes 3. 0. That means owners with older model Toyota's are stuck with the outdated system and will never get Android Auto or Apple Car Play unless we buy an aftermarket system. They only put the new system in the redesigned models. For example, I think it is not fair the '18 Camry got the new Entunes 3. 0 system, while '18 Corolla still gets the old Entunes 2. 0 system. We shouldn't have to buy the new model to get the new system.
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tihzho
Sorry Scotty, China is no longer communist, that ended back in the 1980's after Mao fell off his perch. China is full on capitalist with Chinese millionaires and billionaires like Jack Ma, as well as a large middle class. You can't own businesses in a Communist country. I know, I lived and worked in China for about 10 years. Yes the one political party still calls itself Communist, but that is in name only.
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Sorry Scotty, China is no longer communist, that ended back in the 1980's after Mao fell off his perch. China is full on capitalist with Chinese millionaires and billionaires like Jack Ma, as well as a large middle class. You can't own businesses in a Communist country. I know, I lived and worked in China for about 10 years. Yes the one political party still calls itself Communist, but that is in name only.
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