DISGUSTING Sondos Alqattan Servant Controversy, Dan Harmon Backlash, Greece, & YT Defection
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Date: 2019-11-01
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TheBlackTsubaki
in my experience with Philippino workers, the only reason the employer is in possession of the passport is to store it safely. The worker is signed on to the employer for work of a certain amount of time and can stay on longer if she so wishes to. However, should they wish to leave the country during the contracted time period they are allowed to at the employers discretion (much like how you only get certain days off work in a year as well. I've had a number of cases where workers have come into my home and stayed for a few months, gained my parents trust and stolen many precious items and money to quite literally run away, never to be found again and breaking their contracted time with us. And no we never treated them like slaves, they were part of the family and went on outings with us, and lived comfortably in our home, just that they were being paid to do a job they signed up for. So, I see the controversy here with what Alqattan is saying and I do disagree with her, but there are also some issues on safety of the empolyer's interest to be taken into account as well. (just adding some insight, im not from the middle east tho so cant vouch for whats happening there)
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in my experience with Philippino workers, the only reason the employer is in possession of the passport is to store it safely. The worker is signed on to the employer for work of a certain amount of time and can stay on longer if she so wishes to. However, should they wish to leave the country during the contracted time period they are allowed to at the employers discretion (much like how you only get certain days off work in a year as well. I've had a number of cases where workers have come into my home and stayed for a few months, gained my parents trust and stolen many precious items and money to quite literally run away, never to be found again and breaking their contracted time with us. And no we never treated them like slaves, they were part of the family and went on outings with us, and lived comfortably in our home, just that they were being paid to do a job they signed up for. So, I see the controversy here with what Alqattan is saying and I do disagree with her, but there are also some issues on safety of the empolyer's interest to be taken into account as well. (just adding some insight, im not from the middle east tho so cant vouch for whats happening there)
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Renet Rowe
Sondos Alqattan is garbage, and it's worse that when it's pointed out to her, she can't even understand HOW she's garbage About 8 years ago, there was a story on a domestic worker, (imported passport slave, this time from Indonesia, being tortured by her, employers, with hot nails shoved into her face in Saudi Arabia. Kuwait is apparently not the only country that does this. This is exactly WHY it's dangerous to do what we're doing here in the US, though When you demonize foreigners and do your best to legally dis-empower them, you leave them vulnerable to the only power that truly applies to their lives: the employers that can basically enslave and abuse them in any way that they want. If someone is holding your passport, even though you are technically a legal resident, you have no power whatsoever. If you try to report what's being done to you, how do you prove that you aren't just an undocumented worker when you can't produce your passport at will? You don't report it, because you're scared af, and there's really no options for you. It's happening here, too, just not as rampant, and we aren't hearing about it, because it's happening on a much quieter scale.
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Sondos Alqattan is garbage, and it's worse that when it's pointed out to her, she can't even understand HOW she's garbage About 8 years ago, there was a story on a domestic worker, (imported passport slave, this time from Indonesia, being tortured by her, employers, with hot nails shoved into her face in Saudi Arabia. Kuwait is apparently not the only country that does this. This is exactly WHY it's dangerous to do what we're doing here in the US, though When you demonize foreigners and do your best to legally dis-empower them, you leave them vulnerable to the only power that truly applies to their lives: the employers that can basically enslave and abuse them in any way that they want. If someone is holding your passport, even though you are technically a legal resident, you have no power whatsoever. If you try to report what's being done to you, how do you prove that you aren't just an undocumented worker when you can't produce your passport at will? You don't report it, because you're scared af, and there's really no options for you. It's happening here, too, just not as rampant, and we aren't hearing about it, because it's happening on a much quieter scale.
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PeaceLoveHarmony82
Filipino workers are the only LUCKY workers who have Filipino government protections. They have a place abused Filipino workers can go to in Saudi Arabia to get help and get their passport back plus they get that one day off per week. Ethiopians and other countries have NO PROTECTION and NO DAY OFF EVER. and a lot don't even end up getting paid, along with getting raped by the husband and when he's not home, the wives bully, slapping, punching, beat with ashtrays, burnt with hot irons, burnt terribly with boiling water and on and on and on the disgusting abuse goes on Inequality in America? Go to Saudi Arabia and the middle east to find real life cruel SLAVERY in 2018. There is no escape for these poor workers. If they escape to an embassy, men kidnap them kicking and screaming back to their torturers. then either killed (called suicide) or tormented even worse SICK AND DISGUSTING CULTURE I hope a wave wipes them out
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Filipino workers are the only LUCKY workers who have Filipino government protections. They have a place abused Filipino workers can go to in Saudi Arabia to get help and get their passport back plus they get that one day off per week. Ethiopians and other countries have NO PROTECTION and NO DAY OFF EVER. and a lot don't even end up getting paid, along with getting raped by the husband and when he's not home, the wives bully, slapping, punching, beat with ashtrays, burnt with hot irons, burnt terribly with boiling water and on and on and on the disgusting abuse goes on Inequality in America? Go to Saudi Arabia and the middle east to find real life cruel SLAVERY in 2018. There is no escape for these poor workers. If they escape to an embassy, men kidnap them kicking and screaming back to their torturers. then either killed (called suicide) or tormented even worse SICK AND DISGUSTING CULTURE I hope a wave wipes them out
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Mehreen Simmons
Being Arab, it's disheartening to see Sondos' behaviour and beliefs. A lot of people talk about how the social dynamics are different. Even then, it's never justifiable for systematic oppression - governmentally supported - to undermine and reduce the servants. I just don't get it. I've been to Saudi Arabia. During the Umrah period, people are circling the Ka'bah with no hierarchy. Everyone wears the same clothing and there is no social benefits during the 'tawaaf'. Everyone is wearing the white clothing and everyone feels the hot sun on them. No one is shaded by social perks. As soon as they return back to their homes and the hierarchy is established. It's as if the servants are constantly tossed between humanisation and dehumanisation. It's so sad man
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Being Arab, it's disheartening to see Sondos' behaviour and beliefs. A lot of people talk about how the social dynamics are different. Even then, it's never justifiable for systematic oppression - governmentally supported - to undermine and reduce the servants. I just don't get it. I've been to Saudi Arabia. During the Umrah period, people are circling the Ka'bah with no hierarchy. Everyone wears the same clothing and there is no social benefits during the 'tawaaf'. Everyone is wearing the white clothing and everyone feels the hot sun on them. No one is shaded by social perks. As soon as they return back to their homes and the hierarchy is established. It's as if the servants are constantly tossed between humanisation and dehumanisation. It's so sad man
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J Zolli
The story of Sondos Alqattan is a great example of how the West is kept to such a higher standard than the rest of the world. How is it that someone from Kuwait can come to Europe, which like most every country in the world has a dominant ethnic community which would like to hold on to their traditions and beliefs, and complain about how racist it is when Kuwait refuses to take in Syrian refugees on account of their differences culturally, employ people from abroad for years and refuse to ever give them citizenship or their children who are born and raised there, et al. Think about this: is Saudi Arabia foreigners are kept on compounds; let someone suggest the same for workers who come to the USA or Europe. Utter non-sense.
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The story of Sondos Alqattan is a great example of how the West is kept to such a higher standard than the rest of the world. How is it that someone from Kuwait can come to Europe, which like most every country in the world has a dominant ethnic community which would like to hold on to their traditions and beliefs, and complain about how racist it is when Kuwait refuses to take in Syrian refugees on account of their differences culturally, employ people from abroad for years and refuse to ever give them citizenship or their children who are born and raised there, et al. Think about this: is Saudi Arabia foreigners are kept on compounds; let someone suggest the same for workers who come to the USA or Europe. Utter non-sense.
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Sickler-Power
If I may shed light into the horrible business of bringing workers from countries like filpine, excuse my bad english it is similar to slavery and those companies that help issue the visas for the maid to work in these countries sell the visas in a high price that need to be renewed yearly in some cases, so when a maid come in and feel home sick and want to leave e. g. 2 months after arrival these awful behaviours emerge. So the person would lose all the money they paid to bring in the maid. It is what it is slavery, and the companies that charge a lot of money for visas are making it worse. I'm from the middle east myself so I know, and no I don't have maids/cooks/private drivers.
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If I may shed light into the horrible business of bringing workers from countries like filpine, excuse my bad english it is similar to slavery and those companies that help issue the visas for the maid to work in these countries sell the visas in a high price that need to be renewed yearly in some cases, so when a maid come in and feel home sick and want to leave e. g. 2 months after arrival these awful behaviours emerge. So the person would lose all the money they paid to bring in the maid. It is what it is slavery, and the companies that charge a lot of money for visas are making it worse. I'm from the middle east myself so I know, and no I don't have maids/cooks/private drivers.
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Pavel Mitris
I dont exactly support Sandos Alqattan, but she does make a valid point, why is Philip ignoreing this? Im very sure that when this law or w/e it is was taken there was a huge problem with workers/servents runing away with the money and no way of getting a refund Is it wrong to take theire passports SURE, it should be changed, BUT HER POINT IS STILL VALID FROM A BUISNESS PERSPECTIVE There are many legal problems if youre house gets damaged by forigen employes who then might leave back to theire country, or leave with the money without doing theire job etc. and that is what she is talking about NOT that its okay to make people slaves or anything close to it
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I dont exactly support Sandos Alqattan, but she does make a valid point, why is Philip ignoreing this? Im very sure that when this law or w/e it is was taken there was a huge problem with workers/servents runing away with the money and no way of getting a refund Is it wrong to take theire passports SURE, it should be changed, BUT HER POINT IS STILL VALID FROM A BUISNESS PERSPECTIVE There are many legal problems if youre house gets damaged by forigen employes who then might leave back to theire country, or leave with the money without doing theire job etc. and that is what she is talking about NOT that its okay to make people slaves or anything close to it
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Josephine Dumont
What's interesting is when i was taking one of my criminal justice classes my instructor was an officer who used to be in charge of the human trafficking unit. One of the largest indicators for human trafficking that he mentioned was when the employer held the passport of the employees. This is done so even if the women escape they won't be able to get home to their original country from which they were taken. Not saying that the situation you talked about is human trafficking but if you are doing something similar to other monsters you can't claim this is just a difference of culture. Holding people against their will is wrong.
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What's interesting is when i was taking one of my criminal justice classes my instructor was an officer who used to be in charge of the human trafficking unit. One of the largest indicators for human trafficking that he mentioned was when the employer held the passport of the employees. This is done so even if the women escape they won't be able to get home to their original country from which they were taken. Not saying that the situation you talked about is human trafficking but if you are doing something similar to other monsters you can't claim this is just a difference of culture. Holding people against their will is wrong.
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