What a Wild West Duel Really Looked Like - History Dose
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Date: 2022-09-15
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Aleksi
In the violence comparison you have to take into an account that the most violent cities in US, the places where easily most murders usually happen is tied to poverty stricken areas that are quite small compared to the whole city. Most of the murders. So it's a bit differend in a sense that back in those days it was much easier to get in the middle of something like a shootout or whatever really no much matter the class you were in than it is these days. Ofcourse back then there also were more violent areas and more chill but there really weren't any gate-keeped neighbourhoods where pretty much nothing happens if you weren't living in quite rural area with small population. So I would say in that sense people must've been a bit more caucious on average. Also like there doesn't need to be a murder to be violence so in that sense too I would think it was a bit tougher. And hardened criminals were harder to catch so they kept on going for longer.
But yes people exaggarate. Like there is still tribes that see rarely outsiders and they aren't super violent for violences sake and most of these tribes welcome outsiders (not actually for good of them really. But yeah people are people and were so in the period of wild west when europeans were already quite settled there, most didn't just shoot everybody for the sake of it. In the bank robberies there weren't usually shooting if not absolutely neccesary.
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In the violence comparison you have to take into an account that the most violent cities in US, the places where easily most murders usually happen is tied to poverty stricken areas that are quite small compared to the whole city. Most of the murders. So it's a bit differend in a sense that back in those days it was much easier to get in the middle of something like a shootout or whatever really no much matter the class you were in than it is these days. Ofcourse back then there also were more violent areas and more chill but there really weren't any gate-keeped neighbourhoods where pretty much nothing happens if you weren't living in quite rural area with small population. So I would say in that sense people must've been a bit more caucious on average. Also like there doesn't need to be a murder to be violence so in that sense too I would think it was a bit tougher. And hardened criminals were harder to catch so they kept on going for longer.
But yes people exaggarate. Like there is still tribes that see rarely outsiders and they aren't super violent for violences sake and most of these tribes welcome outsiders (not actually for good of them really. But yeah people are people and were so in the period of wild west when europeans were already quite settled there, most didn't just shoot everybody for the sake of it. In the bank robberies there weren't usually shooting if not absolutely neccesary.
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Wonderous
So guns weren't as common as most people think and the types of guns used don't necessarily conform to the typical Hollywood idea of the old west. The average person carried a. 22, .32, .38 or. 41 caliber, relatively small and low powered firearms. Most of these were either revolvers (single or double action both were available) or derringers in either a 1 shot or two shot variation depending on the type of derringer. Carrying firearms was generally illegal in most places, but in most instances it was more like you couldn't open carry a full sized weapon as peace officers wouldn't ask where you got the gun you just popped the robber with. So the idea of someone carrying an 1873 colt peacemaker in a holster in town to shoot it out with some bandit isn't typically accurate (though there are exceptions. In addition you were as likely to be stabbed or beaten to death as you were to be shot, guns were expensive and a box of ammo was also expensive, so often times you'd be stabbed or hit with an axe by a wayward mugger as opposed to being shot by one.
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So guns weren't as common as most people think and the types of guns used don't necessarily conform to the typical Hollywood idea of the old west. The average person carried a. 22, .32, .38 or. 41 caliber, relatively small and low powered firearms. Most of these were either revolvers (single or double action both were available) or derringers in either a 1 shot or two shot variation depending on the type of derringer. Carrying firearms was generally illegal in most places, but in most instances it was more like you couldn't open carry a full sized weapon as peace officers wouldn't ask where you got the gun you just popped the robber with. So the idea of someone carrying an 1873 colt peacemaker in a holster in town to shoot it out with some bandit isn't typically accurate (though there are exceptions. In addition you were as likely to be stabbed or beaten to death as you were to be shot, guns were expensive and a box of ammo was also expensive, so often times you'd be stabbed or hit with an axe by a wayward mugger as opposed to being shot by one.
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toyrunner87
I have a question about gunfighter taking trophies or just citizens scavenging gunfights or attacks. In particular I'm thinking of the rail car scene at the end of Once Upon a Time in the West, the end of Pale Rider and the river scene in Good, Bad and Ugly. Could the victor in a duel take trophies like the losses gun, watch, horse etc. I would imagine that a revolver with belt, horse, saddle and possible rifle or shot gun would represent a substantial amount of money. And what if a person came upon a scene where say a group of bandits turned on each other. coukd you salvage a scene like people can salvage a shipwreck? If you have a video on this I'd appreciate a link. If not I'd love too see what the process was. Thanks
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I have a question about gunfighter taking trophies or just citizens scavenging gunfights or attacks. In particular I'm thinking of the rail car scene at the end of Once Upon a Time in the West, the end of Pale Rider and the river scene in Good, Bad and Ugly. Could the victor in a duel take trophies like the losses gun, watch, horse etc. I would imagine that a revolver with belt, horse, saddle and possible rifle or shot gun would represent a substantial amount of money. And what if a person came upon a scene where say a group of bandits turned on each other. coukd you salvage a scene like people can salvage a shipwreck? If you have a video on this I'd appreciate a link. If not I'd love too see what the process was. Thanks
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Wayne
You might also debunk the, quick draw holsters of the wild west. One misinformed portrayal of old west gun fights is that of Wyatt Earp and the OK Coral that's been the center point of dozens of movies. I can't recall one portrayal where both the agtagonist from each side weren't depicted as having holstered six shooters. Truth is the custom was to draw your weapon from it's place in your belt line; people just did not wear holsters. The only holsters appearing in the days of the old west were military type ones and they were designed to prevent losing it and protect it from accidentally being discharged. Fast draw Holsters are simply a creation of Hollywood.
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You might also debunk the, quick draw holsters of the wild west. One misinformed portrayal of old west gun fights is that of Wyatt Earp and the OK Coral that's been the center point of dozens of movies. I can't recall one portrayal where both the agtagonist from each side weren't depicted as having holstered six shooters. Truth is the custom was to draw your weapon from it's place in your belt line; people just did not wear holsters. The only holsters appearing in the days of the old west were military type ones and they were designed to prevent losing it and protect it from accidentally being discharged. Fast draw Holsters are simply a creation of Hollywood.
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Karl
Actually gun duels where quite common. I did a great deal of research into gun duels in the 1800's and there are actually 100's of well-documented and independently support accounts, fully verified, of gun fights at ranges of 35 to 250 feet. In nearly all of these many accounts, the gun fighter that prevailed used contemporary gun fighting techniques of locking the gun and arm to the hip and firing and fanning the gun to get the most rounds locked in and downrange at the highest rate. Of the fighters that got hit, they had been fired at by more than 2 bullets for every one they fired.
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Actually gun duels where quite common. I did a great deal of research into gun duels in the 1800's and there are actually 100's of well-documented and independently support accounts, fully verified, of gun fights at ranges of 35 to 250 feet. In nearly all of these many accounts, the gun fighter that prevailed used contemporary gun fighting techniques of locking the gun and arm to the hip and firing and fanning the gun to get the most rounds locked in and downrange at the highest rate. Of the fighters that got hit, they had been fired at by more than 2 bullets for every one they fired.
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Night
Gunfights and other fights happened back then for the same reasons as they do today. I was a Cop for 40 years and saw more than my share of them on a nightly basis. Most of them occur between 2100 to 0300. Some were homicides, most were just fights. The only difference is there are a lot more people in the country today. In spite of what the lamestream media would have you believe, most of them don't involve any kind of weapons or if a weapon is involved it tends to be what ever is available in the moment. Knives are first, firearms would tend to be last on the scale.
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Gunfights and other fights happened back then for the same reasons as they do today. I was a Cop for 40 years and saw more than my share of them on a nightly basis. Most of them occur between 2100 to 0300. Some were homicides, most were just fights. The only difference is there are a lot more people in the country today. In spite of what the lamestream media would have you believe, most of them don't involve any kind of weapons or if a weapon is involved it tends to be what ever is available in the moment. Knives are first, firearms would tend to be last on the scale.
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American
Virgil Owen Earp, the nephew of Wyatt said that the old west was boring and much safer than the stories we've learned. You could leave a pile of money in your house with the doors open and it was just as safe as being locked in any bank. People were mostly poor christian farmers who struggled just for daily food. But theft was never a problem. Being a lawman was tougher back then, not because there was more crime, because there was a lot less. The law man just had to do everything by himself back then.
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Virgil Owen Earp, the nephew of Wyatt said that the old west was boring and much safer than the stories we've learned. You could leave a pile of money in your house with the doors open and it was just as safe as being locked in any bank. People were mostly poor christian farmers who struggled just for daily food. But theft was never a problem. Being a lawman was tougher back then, not because there was more crime, because there was a lot less. The law man just had to do everything by himself back then.
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Nathan
These days firearms have higher capacity with easier operation, allowing for lots of bullets to be be sent, more quickly than a person is really able to accurately fire. I make this mistake, but prefer double barrels, revolvers and I even carry a darringer, and limited ammunition seems to sub consciously cause me to try slightly harder and shoot much better. I expect that people today waste lots of bullets, while those were a precious resource to the people of the past.
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These days firearms have higher capacity with easier operation, allowing for lots of bullets to be be sent, more quickly than a person is really able to accurately fire. I make this mistake, but prefer double barrels, revolvers and I even carry a darringer, and limited ammunition seems to sub consciously cause me to try slightly harder and shoot much better. I expect that people today waste lots of bullets, while those were a precious resource to the people of the past.
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education
Gunfights back then happened the same way they do today. by ambushing your opponent or getting into a verbal argument and then shooting them without warning. There was no more glory in it than the stories we hear today coming out of Chicago or LA. Then as now plenty of innocent bystanders got plugged as well. Also then as now towns tried to enact gun control laws, but the criminals either ignored them or found ways around it.
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Gunfights back then happened the same way they do today. by ambushing your opponent or getting into a verbal argument and then shooting them without warning. There was no more glory in it than the stories we hear today coming out of Chicago or LA. Then as now plenty of innocent bystanders got plugged as well. Also then as now towns tried to enact gun control laws, but the criminals either ignored them or found ways around it.
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Susse
Well of course, in an era with little law enforcement, where you may be outmaned, outgunned, outresourced, and/or outfriended, sneaking up on your enemy, and picking them off (one by one, if necessary) and then disappearing before anybody knows what happened, is probably the best way to go about settling a score, in that time and place. After all, there were not too many detectives around, to trace a crime.
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Well of course, in an era with little law enforcement, where you may be outmaned, outgunned, outresourced, and/or outfriended, sneaking up on your enemy, and picking them off (one by one, if necessary) and then disappearing before anybody knows what happened, is probably the best way to go about settling a score, in that time and place. After all, there were not too many detectives around, to trace a crime.
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Gary
Yes it's true, but as the other guy was watching nearby practicing his own skills, twain and his pot shot mate swapped coat and hats while my man was distracted, and twain's teacher shot down a few birds from a difficult angle, then they swapped threads back on the down low and twain's opponents arse fell out, and he fuked off on the next train! True tale, no shit!
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Yes it's true, but as the other guy was watching nearby practicing his own skills, twain and his pot shot mate swapped coat and hats while my man was distracted, and twain's teacher shot down a few birds from a difficult angle, then they swapped threads back on the down low and twain's opponents arse fell out, and he fuked off on the next train! True tale, no shit!
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toyrunner87
I have a question. I watched once upon a time in the west. The scene where Frank goes back to the train after the attempt on his life. all those men, horses, guns etc. What were the rules if you came across that? It would seem to me that's a lot of value in horses, guns, leather, saddles, knives. Could a passersby cksim these things?
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I have a question. I watched once upon a time in the west. The scene where Frank goes back to the train after the attempt on his life. all those men, horses, guns etc. What were the rules if you came across that? It would seem to me that's a lot of value in horses, guns, leather, saddles, knives. Could a passersby cksim these things?
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DAMIEN
Not many people back then with any common sense acted tough and cause trouble or commit a crime when every single person had a gun. There has always been crazy crime ridden towns no matter when it is, hell look at Chicago now days way more people die in a weekend in that town now than in most towns in the wild west did all year. Lol!
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Not many people back then with any common sense acted tough and cause trouble or commit a crime when every single person had a gun. There has always been crazy crime ridden towns no matter when it is, hell look at Chicago now days way more people die in a weekend in that town now than in most towns in the wild west did all year. Lol!
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Ed
In Montana, in some of those small western towns, every once in a while you will hear about a couple of old-timers standing in the street blasting away at each other. The usual difficulty is that they are drunk and having trouble hitting the ground when falling over, much less have the ability to focus and shoot someone 50 ft away.
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In Montana, in some of those small western towns, every once in a while you will hear about a couple of old-timers standing in the street blasting away at each other. The usual difficulty is that they are drunk and having trouble hitting the ground when falling over, much less have the ability to focus and shoot someone 50 ft away.
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william
I really doubt the first duel you relate has them drawing already cocked pistols from their holsters. Great way to shoot yourself. Most likely, they were holding their drawn, cocked pistols down by their sides. I don't think there were any seconds making sure the duel was according to Hoyle(sp.
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I really doubt the first duel you relate has them drawing already cocked pistols from their holsters. Great way to shoot yourself. Most likely, they were holding their drawn, cocked pistols down by their sides. I don't think there were any seconds making sure the duel was according to Hoyle(sp.
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Moose
That'd another reason I like the video game rdr2 so much, not only do they poke fut at the cowboy name thing but most of the (like 11) gunfights in the big ass game are drunken random idiots and one guy literally shoots another in the back. Still heavily dramatized but to a point.
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That'd another reason I like the video game rdr2 so much, not only do they poke fut at the cowboy name thing but most of the (like 11) gunfights in the big ass game are drunken random idiots and one guy literally shoots another in the back. Still heavily dramatized but to a point.
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Johnny
There must've been enough duels and quick draw duels for people to instinctively run when they saw Bill Hickok and Dave Tutt standing in the streets. The fact that both men thought to try this kind of duel instead of fleeing also implies this wasn't an outlandish situation
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There must've been enough duels and quick draw duels for people to instinctively run when they saw Bill Hickok and Dave Tutt standing in the streets. The fact that both men thought to try this kind of duel instead of fleeing also implies this wasn't an outlandish situation
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SandhoeFlyer
There is no such word as DOOLING You have to understand the English language uses Vowels and Consonants, they interact. Further as a child you should have been tough how to say U and pronounce it in words. notice this is not PROnOONcING as you say in DOOLING
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There is no such word as DOOLING You have to understand the English language uses Vowels and Consonants, they interact. Further as a child you should have been tough how to say U and pronounce it in words. notice this is not PROnOONcING as you say in DOOLING
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Norfolk
Zero chance they quick draw 75yds apart. Maybe 75ft, but even thats a stretch. Only folks that claim to be able to quick draw from holster and hit a target 75yds away from the hip are the same ones banging on their keyboard in they mothers basement.
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Zero chance they quick draw 75yds apart. Maybe 75ft, but even thats a stretch. Only folks that claim to be able to quick draw from holster and hit a target 75yds away from the hip are the same ones banging on their keyboard in they mothers basement.
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