Why Was Hungary Punished So Severely After World War One? Documentary
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Niketes
Separation is the main effort of enemies so that others do not cooperate, are weaker, disunited and in chaos. The disintegration of the empire, the disintegration of a larger state into several smaller ones. The dogma of republicanism, democratism, and nationalism caused people from their own ranks to take part in this upheaval. They fought for independence - on the basis of nothing (nationalism. Previous state entities were legitimate, just, strong and so on. They were definitely not worse than the newly created states (quite the opposite.
Nationalism is a disaster for everyone. There can be diverse people in a large state (empire for example, cooperate, benefit from unity and quantity, . Today, each state could still be divided into smaller and even smaller states - by parts, historical territory, regions and similarly, for example, eventually to districts and cities (and families/clans. until it grows into an each for himself anarchy.
Nationalism has nothing to do with national pride, but with national egoism, fanaticism, overestimation of one's own nation, and hostility toward others. There is no strength, power or benefits in separatism. Not even Justice.
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Separation is the main effort of enemies so that others do not cooperate, are weaker, disunited and in chaos. The disintegration of the empire, the disintegration of a larger state into several smaller ones. The dogma of republicanism, democratism, and nationalism caused people from their own ranks to take part in this upheaval. They fought for independence - on the basis of nothing (nationalism. Previous state entities were legitimate, just, strong and so on. They were definitely not worse than the newly created states (quite the opposite.
Nationalism is a disaster for everyone. There can be diverse people in a large state (empire for example, cooperate, benefit from unity and quantity, . Today, each state could still be divided into smaller and even smaller states - by parts, historical territory, regions and similarly, for example, eventually to districts and cities (and families/clans. until it grows into an each for himself anarchy.
Nationalism has nothing to do with national pride, but with national egoism, fanaticism, overestimation of one's own nation, and hostility toward others. There is no strength, power or benefits in separatism. Not even Justice.
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Sergiu
The result of their aggression campaigns led to the brief incorporation of Transylvania into the Maghiar kingdom, most of the time remaining an autonomous region. As proof, after the Maghiars were crushed by the Ottomans and their kingdom ceased to exist, Transylvania continued as an autonomous region.
In short, their rule was not continuous. They persecuted the populations they conquered and considered them tolerated populations, trying to maghiarize as many as they could. This is why natives around their core lands were fed up with them and went their own ways after WW1. The Hungarian regime didnt fall in 1919. After the communists declared war on Romania, the Romanians went and conquered Budapest.
The neighboring lands becoming new countries or part of new countries were all in the majority, the Hungarians being just a minority, most despised and for good reasons. One last detail about the population If it is for us to enter into details, at the beginning of the 20th century, 500 000 Romanians lived in the Pannonian plains, a population that was completely maghiarized (plus many other examples.
So, I would ask in what way was Hungary punished so hard?
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The result of their aggression campaigns led to the brief incorporation of Transylvania into the Maghiar kingdom, most of the time remaining an autonomous region. As proof, after the Maghiars were crushed by the Ottomans and their kingdom ceased to exist, Transylvania continued as an autonomous region.
In short, their rule was not continuous. They persecuted the populations they conquered and considered them tolerated populations, trying to maghiarize as many as they could. This is why natives around their core lands were fed up with them and went their own ways after WW1. The Hungarian regime didnt fall in 1919. After the communists declared war on Romania, the Romanians went and conquered Budapest.
The neighboring lands becoming new countries or part of new countries were all in the majority, the Hungarians being just a minority, most despised and for good reasons. One last detail about the population If it is for us to enter into details, at the beginning of the 20th century, 500 000 Romanians lived in the Pannonian plains, a population that was completely maghiarized (plus many other examples.
So, I would ask in what way was Hungary punished so hard?
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Hans
No Empire is ever _'punished'_ when it collapses.
What really happens is that the subjugated nations recover their independent life.
And the ones that settled in conquered states have the choice whether to return to their homeland or to stay as law abiding citizens of the country that grants them the privilege not to banish them back to their homeland.
As Serbs should have done to Albanians in Kosovo.
As Poland dis with Germans after WW2, even from lands that never were Polish, most of the seized lands indeed.
Or maybe we should lament how the Ottoman Empire was also _'punished'_ after WW1.
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No Empire is ever _'punished'_ when it collapses.
What really happens is that the subjugated nations recover their independent life.
And the ones that settled in conquered states have the choice whether to return to their homeland or to stay as law abiding citizens of the country that grants them the privilege not to banish them back to their homeland.
As Serbs should have done to Albanians in Kosovo.
As Poland dis with Germans after WW2, even from lands that never were Polish, most of the seized lands indeed.
Or maybe we should lament how the Ottoman Empire was also _'punished'_ after WW1.
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orin
Another Hungarian pathetic propaganda. They should go back to Asia (North of Kazahstan, from where they came 1, 000 years ago and invaded, and stole, other (European) peoples' territories. All these are clearly mentioned in the very Hungarian old documents.
And obviously, there was no punishment, it was simply justice. And not enough justice, since Hungary shouldn't even exist in Europe, as I said above - Hungary's present territory should be shared between Slovakia, Romania, Serbia and Croatia, and maybe some to Austria too.
PS- History Matters should be replaced, with Lies Matters.
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Another Hungarian pathetic propaganda. They should go back to Asia (North of Kazahstan, from where they came 1, 000 years ago and invaded, and stole, other (European) peoples' territories. All these are clearly mentioned in the very Hungarian old documents.
And obviously, there was no punishment, it was simply justice. And not enough justice, since Hungary shouldn't even exist in Europe, as I said above - Hungary's present territory should be shared between Slovakia, Romania, Serbia and Croatia, and maybe some to Austria too.
PS- History Matters should be replaced, with Lies Matters.
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Astilean
The teritories that were given to them in 1867 by the austrians were inhabited by romanians, slovaks, czechs and serbians who did not want to be a part of their empire. The hungarians tried to make everyone forget their identity, their language and their nation through a process called magyarization. So they were not loved at all. So when those ppl could finally be free we chose to tell them to GTFO and made/ or joined other existing states. For romanians in Transylvania, it was a bless. We still thank our brothers for freeing us from the empire that was called the prison of the people
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The teritories that were given to them in 1867 by the austrians were inhabited by romanians, slovaks, czechs and serbians who did not want to be a part of their empire. The hungarians tried to make everyone forget their identity, their language and their nation through a process called magyarization. So they were not loved at all. So when those ppl could finally be free we chose to tell them to GTFO and made/ or joined other existing states. For romanians in Transylvania, it was a bless. We still thank our brothers for freeing us from the empire that was called the prison of the people
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Tibor
I like the video, but cant agree that Hungary lost population.
Please remember that the Kingdom was not built on national principle, but it consisted of many part where people lived even before the forming of the Kingdom.
It similar to say poor Italians. Look how much of the roman land France took when Roman empire collapsed.
I think the only hungarian citizens were on a mixed borders and most of them were bictim of violent hungarization during second half of the 19th century.
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I like the video, but cant agree that Hungary lost population.
Please remember that the Kingdom was not built on national principle, but it consisted of many part where people lived even before the forming of the Kingdom.
It similar to say poor Italians. Look how much of the roman land France took when Roman empire collapsed.
I think the only hungarian citizens were on a mixed borders and most of them were bictim of violent hungarization during second half of the 19th century.
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Rivera
-We didn't have a Mustafa Kemal.
-Liberals discharged 1. 3 millions of soldiers. Probably half of them were hungarian. Then passed leadership to the communists.
-To compare: the attacking army which taken the Capital was only 130. 000.
-Our Liberal leaders trusted in Wilsons pacifism. Wilson points were neglected.
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-We didn't have a Mustafa Kemal.
-Liberals discharged 1. 3 millions of soldiers. Probably half of them were hungarian. Then passed leadership to the communists.
-To compare: the attacking army which taken the Capital was only 130. 000.
-Our Liberal leaders trusted in Wilsons pacifism. Wilson points were neglected.
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Sweed
Hungary was part of the Dual Monarchy of Austria-Hungary. you can't say that the map before ww1 was just Hungary's. when Hungary was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. what you showed at the beginning of the video was the map of the Austro-Hungarian empire, you should do a better research before making such videos
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Hungary was part of the Dual Monarchy of Austria-Hungary. you can't say that the map before ww1 was just Hungary's. when Hungary was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. what you showed at the beginning of the video was the map of the Austro-Hungarian empire, you should do a better research before making such videos
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ZERO
This is the wildest ride on post-wwI policies I've heard at least on european soil. And the fact that nobody talks about it and even I had to watch this video multiple times to wrap my head around it all really makes me respect poor souls of historians who decide to dwell on studying those super complicated times.
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This is the wildest ride on post-wwI policies I've heard at least on european soil. And the fact that nobody talks about it and even I had to watch this video multiple times to wrap my head around it all really makes me respect poor souls of historians who decide to dwell on studying those super complicated times.
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Ambrosios3
Transylvania never was part of Hungary as a country but under the domination of Austro-Hungarian empire. When the empire colapsed, Transilvanya returned to the rightful owner. Romania. Hungarian hordes came upon Europe about 1000 years ago, but Dacians and Tracians are here since more than 5000 years ago
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Transylvania never was part of Hungary as a country but under the domination of Austro-Hungarian empire. When the empire colapsed, Transilvanya returned to the rightful owner. Romania. Hungarian hordes came upon Europe about 1000 years ago, but Dacians and Tracians are here since more than 5000 years ago
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amin
Actually Trianon was wise. All the parts of Hungary that Hungary lost, had non-hungarian population majorities. Slovaks deserved self-determination, Rijeka was attached to Hungary without being hungarian, . Burgenland (as it was called then) had to leave behind it's most important city
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Actually Trianon was wise. All the parts of Hungary that Hungary lost, had non-hungarian population majorities. Slovaks deserved self-determination, Rijeka was attached to Hungary without being hungarian, . Burgenland (as it was called then) had to leave behind it's most important city
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GM
Romanian kids don't know anything About trianon! Teachers don't teach that to them. Romanian history book is a sci-fi. They had slavic language 200yrs ago. They had language reform in the past two centuries! Stolen words from latin, french and italian languages! Romanians are not latins!
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Romanian kids don't know anything About trianon! Teachers don't teach that to them. Romanian history book is a sci-fi. They had slavic language 200yrs ago. They had language reform in the past two centuries! Stolen words from latin, french and italian languages! Romanians are not latins!
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Kimi
Maybe because they started war? Maybe because they occupied all those countries, even land they live on right now wasn't their, they invaded that place and mass murder all of my people, and just because they were good obedient dogs of Vatican they manage to grow bigger and strong
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Maybe because they started war? Maybe because they occupied all those countries, even land they live on right now wasn't their, they invaded that place and mass murder all of my people, and just because they were good obedient dogs of Vatican they manage to grow bigger and strong
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Ivan
As a Croatian I can only say that Hungary deserved it. Hungary was very aggressive towards the ethnic groups within Austria-Hungary. Especially in Croatia they tried to establish hungarian as the official language and destroy and forbid everything from the native culture.
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As a Croatian I can only say that Hungary deserved it. Hungary was very aggressive towards the ethnic groups within Austria-Hungary. Especially in Croatia they tried to establish hungarian as the official language and destroy and forbid everything from the native culture.
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Fenris
Lloyd George, Prime Minister of the U. K, in his speech on the 7th of October, 1929: The whole documentation that we received from our allies at the peace talk, was deceitful and untrue. We came to a decision on false principles
I think this summs it up.
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Lloyd George, Prime Minister of the U. K, in his speech on the 7th of October, 1929: The whole documentation that we received from our allies at the peace talk, was deceitful and untrue. We came to a decision on false principles
I think this summs it up.
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Tatjana
The parts of Croatia that are claimed to have been part of Hungary and taken away after World War I were never parts of Hungary, but part of the Croatian medieval kingdom that entered the common state through a 'personal union'.
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The parts of Croatia that are claimed to have been part of Hungary and taken away after World War I were never parts of Hungary, but part of the Croatian medieval kingdom that entered the common state through a 'personal union'.
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Patavinity
Actually, those aren't the current borders of Hungary, because after they were on the wrong side once again in World War II, the country's territory was reduced even further with a little sliver going to Czechoslovakia.
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Actually, those aren't the current borders of Hungary, because after they were on the wrong side once again in World War II, the country's territory was reduced even further with a little sliver going to Czechoslovakia.
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Arstotzka
The Austrians also testified against us and made it seem like we where the war mongers and not Austria so when we lost land to Austria because of this betrayal. We made the large Austrian minority disappear in a week.
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The Austrians also testified against us and made it seem like we where the war mongers and not Austria so when we lost land to Austria because of this betrayal. We made the large Austrian minority disappear in a week.
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Alin
I wasnt punched, after ww1 was made justice for another countrys, the Hungarian people are in minority outside Hungarian land so where is the punishment? Or is ok for you a minority county to rule on a majority country?
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I wasnt punched, after ww1 was made justice for another countrys, the Hungarian people are in minority outside Hungarian land so where is the punishment? Or is ok for you a minority county to rule on a majority country?
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Joseph
It's a shame that Transylvania didn't become its own state. Though I suppose the Romanian-Hungarian mix would've turned it into a sort of Bosnia. But Hungary definitely should've gotten a little more territory.
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It's a shame that Transylvania didn't become its own state. Though I suppose the Romanian-Hungarian mix would've turned it into a sort of Bosnia. But Hungary definitely should've gotten a little more territory.
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