Did the USSR have a 'Blue Scare'? Documentary
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Telhias
I feel like the answer given leaves a lot to be desired. USSR had something, while not the same, very similar. Let's call it informer scare. You could not discuss anything that was not according to the party lines for the fear of being overheard and tattled on. This could happen anywhere often including in your own apartment as the walls were so thin that your neighbors could easily listen to your conversations. A single tattletale was enough for you to get a trip to a police station for an application of correction (beating. You could easily lose your job or even get disappeared for a while, before coming out to confess, before disappearing forever.
Due to the fact that anyone could be the government informer including your children at school, everyone had to constantly pretend that whatever party said was the truth. You've received actual tangible benefits for tattling and it was generally encouraged. Often, if you've committed a minor crime like cursing a dear leader, you could be let go off with just a warning, if only you were to become an informer yourself and tattle on some other criminals.
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I feel like the answer given leaves a lot to be desired. USSR had something, while not the same, very similar. Let's call it informer scare. You could not discuss anything that was not according to the party lines for the fear of being overheard and tattled on. This could happen anywhere often including in your own apartment as the walls were so thin that your neighbors could easily listen to your conversations. A single tattletale was enough for you to get a trip to a police station for an application of correction (beating. You could easily lose your job or even get disappeared for a while, before coming out to confess, before disappearing forever.
Due to the fact that anyone could be the government informer including your children at school, everyone had to constantly pretend that whatever party said was the truth. You've received actual tangible benefits for tattling and it was generally encouraged. Often, if you've committed a minor crime like cursing a dear leader, you could be let go off with just a warning, if only you were to become an informer yourself and tattle on some other criminals.
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Dan
This video is worthless. I dont know if its more hilarious or more shameful that this video puts the Red Scare in the Us, which resulted in some people being fired, on a par with the murderous purges of the USSR in which literally millions were murdered.
Even after Stalin, the USSR was an authoritarian regime in which there was no freedom of speech. In other words, the system itself was premised on the idea that dissent was criminal. Its whole existence was one on-going blue scare.
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This video is worthless. I dont know if its more hilarious or more shameful that this video puts the Red Scare in the Us, which resulted in some people being fired, on a par with the murderous purges of the USSR in which literally millions were murdered.
Even after Stalin, the USSR was an authoritarian regime in which there was no freedom of speech. In other words, the system itself was premised on the idea that dissent was criminal. Its whole existence was one on-going blue scare.
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Ryvaken
This died down when everybody realized that McCarthy didn't actually know of any spying.
Except a very, very, very large percentage of those actually, formally accused and questioned were either spies or passed information on to spies as revealed by documents unearthed and declassified in the decades since.
McCarthy was shut down because he was too mean and hurt people's feelings, not because he didn't have the facts on his side.
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This died down when everybody realized that McCarthy didn't actually know of any spying.
Except a very, very, very large percentage of those actually, formally accused and questioned were either spies or passed information on to spies as revealed by documents unearthed and declassified in the decades since.
McCarthy was shut down because he was too mean and hurt people's feelings, not because he didn't have the facts on his side.
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CaptainThunder
I remember seeing a retrospective report and analysis on Senator MC's findings, and decades later it turned out that he was actually. I can't remember if it was 93% or 97% accurate in identifying communist sympathisers in the government, media, etc. So while at the time he wasn't able to categorically prove that they were working directly for Moscow, it is a bit misleading to say that he lied, it's a lot more nuanced than that.
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I remember seeing a retrospective report and analysis on Senator MC's findings, and decades later it turned out that he was actually. I can't remember if it was 93% or 97% accurate in identifying communist sympathisers in the government, media, etc. So while at the time he wasn't able to categorically prove that they were working directly for Moscow, it is a bit misleading to say that he lied, it's a lot more nuanced than that.
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Losttoanyreason
Ummm except after the CCCP collaped we found out from the KGB records that McCarthy was indeed correct about comunist infiltration at high levels. The US news media was already heavily infiltrated and did all in their power to destroy McCarthy's credability to cover up the truth. The same thing the mainstream media and social media do to anyone that disagrees with their woke agenda today.
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Ummm except after the CCCP collaped we found out from the KGB records that McCarthy was indeed correct about comunist infiltration at high levels. The US news media was already heavily infiltrated and did all in their power to destroy McCarthy's credability to cover up the truth. The same thing the mainstream media and social media do to anyone that disagrees with their woke agenda today.
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Julius
Today you have open communist in America literally openly saying they are in key position of media, education, and government to create policies what they view would win people over to the idea socialism. If anything America probably needs another red scare. Plenty on tik tok videos of these people posting about it that it's sorta hilarious to see people just okay with it.
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Today you have open communist in America literally openly saying they are in key position of media, education, and government to create policies what they view would win people over to the idea socialism. If anything America probably needs another red scare. Plenty on tik tok videos of these people posting about it that it's sorta hilarious to see people just okay with it.
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Graf
Short answer: Yes the USSR had. And every worst-case scenario happened coughPutincough. It wasnt about Everything is infiltrated, it was Capitalism will make it even worse. And it did.
(Oh and Kulaks werent successful farmers, they owned other farmers and what they produced and then sold it, because they owned the land. Thats why they were killed. Deserved)
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Short answer: Yes the USSR had. And every worst-case scenario happened coughPutincough. It wasnt about Everything is infiltrated, it was Capitalism will make it even worse. And it did.
(Oh and Kulaks werent successful farmers, they owned other farmers and what they produced and then sold it, because they owned the land. Thats why they were killed. Deserved)
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Christophoros
being a successful farmer is different from hoarding your grain away (during famine mind you) from the serfs you own. calling the kulaks successful farmers is on par to calling the rich land owners of the american south, successful entrepreneurs. wish people would understand this.
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being a successful farmer is different from hoarding your grain away (during famine mind you) from the serfs you own. calling the kulaks successful farmers is on par to calling the rich land owners of the american south, successful entrepreneurs. wish people would understand this.
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timber72
Except. McCarthy was right. It took 70 years, but that's where the US is today, with Communist/Marxists intent on turning the US into the USSR are now in power and on the ascendent.
Why?
Because: human nature. Human nature tends to tyranny. It always has. It always will.
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Except. McCarthy was right. It took 70 years, but that's where the US is today, with Communist/Marxists intent on turning the US into the USSR are now in power and on the ascendent.
Why?
Because: human nature. Human nature tends to tyranny. It always has. It always will.
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Napolon
McCarthy was completely right about the state department. Look at the vanona papers and KGB archives. The accusations of SENATOR McCarthy at GOVERNMENT employees had nothing to do with the HOUSE Committee on Unamerican Activities, which investigated private citizens repressively.
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McCarthy was completely right about the state department. Look at the vanona papers and KGB archives. The accusations of SENATOR McCarthy at GOVERNMENT employees had nothing to do with the HOUSE Committee on Unamerican Activities, which investigated private citizens repressively.
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Gilchrist
I love how in 2: 00 you portrayed the Crusaders good
West german government (who i think is on the horse) is Frederick barbarossa
Charles de gaul is guy de lusignan (or Conrad montferrat)
And the British government on the red clothes is Richard the lionheart
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I love how in 2: 00 you portrayed the Crusaders good
West german government (who i think is on the horse) is Frederick barbarossa
Charles de gaul is guy de lusignan (or Conrad montferrat)
And the British government on the red clothes is Richard the lionheart
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Daxter250
lil extension: the period during mc carthys bs in the 15s is now called mc carthy era now and his controversal parctices became known as mccarthyism. his wild act of calling everything communism that wasnt liberal influenced many americans to this day.
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lil extension: the period during mc carthys bs in the 15s is now called mc carthy era now and his controversal parctices became known as mccarthyism. his wild act of calling everything communism that wasnt liberal influenced many americans to this day.
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Gregory
Since the Soviet Union felt sorry for workers in capitalist countries. It would be interesting to see how different the standard of living was in the USSSR VS America. To see how much of this was rooted in reality and how much was rooted in propaganda.
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Since the Soviet Union felt sorry for workers in capitalist countries. It would be interesting to see how different the standard of living was in the USSSR VS America. To see how much of this was rooted in reality and how much was rooted in propaganda.
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Xeonerable
not as depicting capitalists as ideologic crusaders out to destroy peoples, but as oppressed peoples who were corrupted by a broken system that preyed upon their worst instincts. I meaaann thats not entirely wrong either LOL
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not as depicting capitalists as ideologic crusaders out to destroy peoples, but as oppressed peoples who were corrupted by a broken system that preyed upon their worst instincts. I meaaann thats not entirely wrong either LOL
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Rude_i_Wredne
Also there was West Berlin, which for years people could travel to. Between that and economic turbulences of communism, just too big of a chunk of the society actually considered capitalism a better thing.
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Also there was West Berlin, which for years people could travel to. Between that and economic turbulences of communism, just too big of a chunk of the society actually considered capitalism a better thing.
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Jose
It's strange that it seems people forget the USSR existed after Stalin, though the USSR had a lot of problems (the same problems that the US and the West had most of the time, it wasn't always just Stalinist purges.
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It's strange that it seems people forget the USSR existed after Stalin, though the USSR had a lot of problems (the same problems that the US and the West had most of the time, it wasn't always just Stalinist purges.
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costas778
Your wrong about McCarthy. He was vindicated in the 90s with the Venola transcripts. It was worse than he portrayed. He should have gone for the commie foundations not Hollywood clowns and artists.
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Your wrong about McCarthy. He was vindicated in the 90s with the Venola transcripts. It was worse than he portrayed. He should have gone for the commie foundations not Hollywood clowns and artists.
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Chthonic
There was also that one time a coalition of western nations funded an army to crush the communist in the 1920ies. Luckily that was peacefully resolved and everything was fine forever.
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There was also that one time a coalition of western nations funded an army to crush the communist in the 1920ies. Luckily that was peacefully resolved and everything was fine forever.
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Peter
I mean. yeah. for like. its entire existence it was in constant fear of counterrevolutionaries, and judging by Khrushchevite revisionism, Stalin especially was justified in this fear.
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I mean. yeah. for like. its entire existence it was in constant fear of counterrevolutionaries, and judging by Khrushchevite revisionism, Stalin especially was justified in this fear.
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Roman
The kulaks were not just successful peasants, they were wealthy peasants who drove other peasants into debt and exploited them, also often directly engaging in criminal activities
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The kulaks were not just successful peasants, they were wealthy peasants who drove other peasants into debt and exploited them, also often directly engaging in criminal activities
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