Why did Gran Colombia Fail? Documentary
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Jorge
at this point, in order to secure his country's independence, Bolivar needed to make sure that spanish and royalist forces couldn't take refuge in the bordering regions of what was called the viceroyalty of New Granada, and so, in 1819, Bolivar chased down spanish forces there he defeated them
Well, no, it wasn't like that. Venezuela wasn't yet independent. Venezuela's main regions (Caracas, Valencia, Maracaibo) were controlled by royalist forces. When Bolivar decided to attack the royalist forces in New Grenada, he was cleverly evading the main royalist forces of Morillo located in Venezuela (not chasing fleeing Spanish forces. After securing New Grenada's independence with the battle of Boyaca (1819, the patriots went on to secure Venezuela's independence with the second battle of Carabobo (1821.
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at this point, in order to secure his country's independence, Bolivar needed to make sure that spanish and royalist forces couldn't take refuge in the bordering regions of what was called the viceroyalty of New Granada, and so, in 1819, Bolivar chased down spanish forces there he defeated them
Well, no, it wasn't like that. Venezuela wasn't yet independent. Venezuela's main regions (Caracas, Valencia, Maracaibo) were controlled by royalist forces. When Bolivar decided to attack the royalist forces in New Grenada, he was cleverly evading the main royalist forces of Morillo located in Venezuela (not chasing fleeing Spanish forces. After securing New Grenada's independence with the battle of Boyaca (1819, the patriots went on to secure Venezuela's independence with the second battle of Carabobo (1821.
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Manolo
When you have a large area of land, it is always impossible to rule over it as a country without the danger of fracturing. This is why many times we see dictatorships that, despite their awful methods, manage to keep the country united. Why did it work in the US and Canada? The British way was geared towards trade. The Spanish, French and Portuguese mentality was to enslave, sack, plunder, and convert the natives (who had no souls) to Christianity. Brazil was an exception because the Portuguese allowed intra-regional trade and communication rather than hacienda type isolation and mini dictatorships. The British also had the concept of democracy, flawed as it was, which was better than the theocracy and absolute monarchy of the other colonial nations.
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When you have a large area of land, it is always impossible to rule over it as a country without the danger of fracturing. This is why many times we see dictatorships that, despite their awful methods, manage to keep the country united. Why did it work in the US and Canada? The British way was geared towards trade. The Spanish, French and Portuguese mentality was to enslave, sack, plunder, and convert the natives (who had no souls) to Christianity. Brazil was an exception because the Portuguese allowed intra-regional trade and communication rather than hacienda type isolation and mini dictatorships. The British also had the concept of democracy, flawed as it was, which was better than the theocracy and absolute monarchy of the other colonial nations.
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AThingThatExists
damn, looking at central and south America, there seems to be a pattern: nation gets independence. Leader of independence movement wants absolute control despite the young nation formerly being divided into various smaller regions that people were far closer to. Leaders of the smaller regions suggest that they should emulate the US. Independence leader refuses, fights to bitter end, bankrupts nation, and leads it into its own destruction, OR smaller states win, they attempt to emulate US, independence leader wins election, refuses to give up power ever again, drives nation into bankruptcy and ruin. Former territories become hotbeds of corruption, and frequently couped and counter couped
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damn, looking at central and south America, there seems to be a pattern: nation gets independence. Leader of independence movement wants absolute control despite the young nation formerly being divided into various smaller regions that people were far closer to. Leaders of the smaller regions suggest that they should emulate the US. Independence leader refuses, fights to bitter end, bankrupts nation, and leads it into its own destruction, OR smaller states win, they attempt to emulate US, independence leader wins election, refuses to give up power ever again, drives nation into bankruptcy and ruin. Former territories become hotbeds of corruption, and frequently couped and counter couped
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Jorge
Posing centralism as the main cause for Gran Colombia's dissolution fails to acknowledge that previous political experiments in Venezuela and New Grenada failed precisely because of federalism. Such was the case of the First Republic of Venezuela and the First Republic of New Grenada, the latter also called La Patria Boba or the Foolish Fatherland. Maybe centralism wasn't suitable for Gran Colombia, but at least it secured independence from Spain at a time when that was the main objective.
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Posing centralism as the main cause for Gran Colombia's dissolution fails to acknowledge that previous political experiments in Venezuela and New Grenada failed precisely because of federalism. Such was the case of the First Republic of Venezuela and the First Republic of New Grenada, the latter also called La Patria Boba or the Foolish Fatherland. Maybe centralism wasn't suitable for Gran Colombia, but at least it secured independence from Spain at a time when that was the main objective.
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martinmarvin
Well he was right, if Gran Columbia was made a federation like the US who were under the Articles of Confederation at the time it wouldve collapsed just as quickly and even the US became much more centralized in the future to keep itself together.
Basically Bolivar had the right idea but he failed to implement it, if he had succeeded we could be looking at a world with a South American equivalent to the US
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Well he was right, if Gran Columbia was made a federation like the US who were under the Articles of Confederation at the time it wouldve collapsed just as quickly and even the US became much more centralized in the future to keep itself together.
Basically Bolivar had the right idea but he failed to implement it, if he had succeeded we could be looking at a world with a South American equivalent to the US
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The
yep, as someone who knows Colombian history and lives in it, our country failed on economy later on, thus also Panama becoming independent after we couldn't help them, peru just wanted to be their own country and well Brazil taking that part of it was just them taking the chance when they could.
So in a nutshell Bolivar had a dream that wasn't planned too well and everything fall on it's face.
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yep, as someone who knows Colombian history and lives in it, our country failed on economy later on, thus also Panama becoming independent after we couldn't help them, peru just wanted to be their own country and well Brazil taking that part of it was just them taking the chance when they could.
So in a nutshell Bolivar had a dream that wasn't planned too well and everything fall on it's face.
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Victor3109
Mexico was also was much bigger when it declared independence.
But many civil wars, foreign invasions happened and many states thought they'd do better splitting off. Most of those were eventually brought back under the fold but some weren't. (central American countries)
Lost half of its land to the Americans and you have the Mexico you see today.
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Mexico was also was much bigger when it declared independence.
But many civil wars, foreign invasions happened and many states thought they'd do better splitting off. Most of those were eventually brought back under the fold but some weren't. (central American countries)
Lost half of its land to the Americans and you have the Mexico you see today.
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MelancholicThug
Atomization doomed south america, sadly. That is, after colonial exploitation did its part, ofc. Imagine what major role would the region have if it all the Spanish-speaking countries could have united under one pluri-national federation, from Argentina to Panama. Now we have a bunch of shitty countries that are mostly a joke.
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Atomization doomed south america, sadly. That is, after colonial exploitation did its part, ofc. Imagine what major role would the region have if it all the Spanish-speaking countries could have united under one pluri-national federation, from Argentina to Panama. Now we have a bunch of shitty countries that are mostly a joke.
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Jhonnatan
because the USA was afraid it would become the main power in the region, so it did what USA does best which is destabilize the government so it would divide into smaller nations which are easier to control for the main regional power which in this case still is the USA
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because the USA was afraid it would become the main power in the region, so it did what USA does best which is destabilize the government so it would divide into smaller nations which are easier to control for the main regional power which in this case still is the USA
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Idriss
1: 35 ok you put La Mar as Bolivar's friend. Although when Bolivar was president of Peru, La Mar did not mind serving him, when we threw out his regime, La Mar became a president in favor of destroying all Bolivarian threats (such as removing Sucre from Bolivia)
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1: 35 ok you put La Mar as Bolivar's friend. Although when Bolivar was president of Peru, La Mar did not mind serving him, when we threw out his regime, La Mar became a president in favor of destroying all Bolivarian threats (such as removing Sucre from Bolivia)
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MsElectricLover
It wouldve eventually fail, at least it failed earlier, imagine what wouldve been if it failed after 100 years of being a United nationnow, that wouldve been a major catastrophe! Dont believe me? Look at the modern-day Venezuelahow tragic
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It wouldve eventually fail, at least it failed earlier, imagine what wouldve been if it failed after 100 years of being a United nationnow, that wouldve been a major catastrophe! Dont believe me? Look at the modern-day Venezuelahow tragic
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Rafa
It wasn't the people of those countries who didn't want to unite: it still is the conservatives oligarchies of all countries that didn't want to grant land and education to the poor, and the indians and the blacks.
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It wasn't the people of those countries who didn't want to unite: it still is the conservatives oligarchies of all countries that didn't want to grant land and education to the poor, and the indians and the blacks.
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Eliakim
You forgot to mention how Haiti helped him liberate 5 of those countries in South America. He failed in his first attempt and fled from Jamaica to Haiti to get munitions and soldiers.
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You forgot to mention how Haiti helped him liberate 5 of those countries in South America. He failed in his first attempt and fled from Jamaica to Haiti to get munitions and soldiers.
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Eduardo
First mistake. The idea was of Fransisco de Miranda whom bokivar betrayed and turned over to the spanish crown. Then, Miranda was a Federalist, bokivar a DICTATOR EMPEROR WANNABE.
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First mistake. The idea was of Fransisco de Miranda whom bokivar betrayed and turned over to the spanish crown. Then, Miranda was a Federalist, bokivar a DICTATOR EMPEROR WANNABE.
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Juan
You missed to add the Esequibo region to the Venezuelan map.
Also, I wish you could do a video about the conflict between the UK (and later Guyana) and Venezuela for the area.
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You missed to add the Esequibo region to the Venezuelan map.
Also, I wish you could do a video about the conflict between the UK (and later Guyana) and Venezuela for the area.
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skorpiius
because these friends were on the same page as him and would totally give up their new found power to enlarge Gran Colombia in the future when he asked.
[X] Doubt
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because these friends were on the same page as him and would totally give up their new found power to enlarge Gran Colombia in the future when he asked.
[X] Doubt
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Joo
Maybe if bolivarianism worked and all the spanish speaking countries united then they would have a chance of beating Brazil at soccer. Guess we will never know.
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Maybe if bolivarianism worked and all the spanish speaking countries united then they would have a chance of beating Brazil at soccer. Guess we will never know.
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Edgar
As a Colombian, is just sad the tradition of corruption is still ongoing. If that was not an issue, we have the resources to be a extremely rich country.
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As a Colombian, is just sad the tradition of corruption is still ongoing. If that was not an issue, we have the resources to be a extremely rich country.
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Kekus
Good old Bolivar. He did the hard work of defeating Spain's armies only to see his new nation splinter due to petty infighting and his ego
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Good old Bolivar. He did the hard work of defeating Spain's armies only to see his new nation splinter due to petty infighting and his ego
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impendio
Fun fact, panama has been independent for over 100 years and is still featured on colombias coat of arms for whatever reason.
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Fun fact, panama has been independent for over 100 years and is still featured on colombias coat of arms for whatever reason.
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