Why wasn't there a Turkish Missile Crisis?
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Date: 2023-06-12
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David
The Soviets also knew that the Atlases stationed in Turkey (by Eisenhower) were scheduled for planned obsolescence by '65 already, and were not nearly the threat that B-52s were (even before cruise missiles.
Fun fact (admitted years later by. I think Andrei Gromyko): the Soviets had both strategic (missile-based) and tactical (bomb) nukes in Cuba. Khrushschev made a big deal about no longer stationing those, but never said a mumbling word about the bombs. And he may have done this as an ace-in-the-hole However, when advised that the Americans would go to war if they found out about them later on, he tried to call them back only to have Castro inform him that he considered them gifts and would not, in fact, relinquish control. There was some delicate diplomacy to get them out. Between that, and the revelation to the Politburo during the actual crisis that the Soviet ground commander had been given independent launch authority directly by Khurshchev WITHOUT informing the rest of the military well, Khrushchev was a bit of a loose cannon, and there were reasons he was removed from power.
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The Soviets also knew that the Atlases stationed in Turkey (by Eisenhower) were scheduled for planned obsolescence by '65 already, and were not nearly the threat that B-52s were (even before cruise missiles.
Fun fact (admitted years later by. I think Andrei Gromyko): the Soviets had both strategic (missile-based) and tactical (bomb) nukes in Cuba. Khrushschev made a big deal about no longer stationing those, but never said a mumbling word about the bombs. And he may have done this as an ace-in-the-hole However, when advised that the Americans would go to war if they found out about them later on, he tried to call them back only to have Castro inform him that he considered them gifts and would not, in fact, relinquish control. There was some delicate diplomacy to get them out. Between that, and the revelation to the Politburo during the actual crisis that the Soviet ground commander had been given independent launch authority directly by Khurshchev WITHOUT informing the rest of the military well, Khrushchev was a bit of a loose cannon, and there were reasons he was removed from power.
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chaos16boy
The entire cold war can be summarized to this.
USSR: Can we be friends and do evonomic cooepration and usher an ear of peace?
USA: No cooperation(unless it benefits me more, no peace, i will surround you with war
It then became a tit for tat where the ussr would just react to what ghe US does, but far less tat because the ussr economy was designed more for its people than for war hence why they never could keep up with nukes or military spending. And it trying to keep up (which was a large gap by the way) it sapped its strength, just one of many reasons for its eventuall illegal political coup.
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The entire cold war can be summarized to this.
USSR: Can we be friends and do evonomic cooepration and usher an ear of peace?
USA: No cooperation(unless it benefits me more, no peace, i will surround you with war
It then became a tit for tat where the ussr would just react to what ghe US does, but far less tat because the ussr economy was designed more for its people than for war hence why they never could keep up with nukes or military spending. And it trying to keep up (which was a large gap by the way) it sapped its strength, just one of many reasons for its eventuall illegal political coup.
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Soviet
If I'm not wrong, outside of the Withdrawal of Cuba, the Withdrawal from Turkiye was a secret between Moscow and D. C, which is why despite the USSR having gotten what it wanted, their Chinese allies did not react very well to these news. Since in their eyes, the USSR literally just said ok ok jeez fine I'll leave and the USA just got a major victory over them since, ye know, as mentioned earlier, Withdrawal from Turkiye was as secret and thus outside of Moscow, nobody knew about it.
Due to the fact this was secretive, the already turbulent Sino-Soviet Friendship eventually led to the Sino-Soviet Split.
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If I'm not wrong, outside of the Withdrawal of Cuba, the Withdrawal from Turkiye was a secret between Moscow and D. C, which is why despite the USSR having gotten what it wanted, their Chinese allies did not react very well to these news. Since in their eyes, the USSR literally just said ok ok jeez fine I'll leave and the USA just got a major victory over them since, ye know, as mentioned earlier, Withdrawal from Turkiye was as secret and thus outside of Moscow, nobody knew about it.
Due to the fact this was secretive, the already turbulent Sino-Soviet Friendship eventually led to the Sino-Soviet Split.
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J. L.
Turkey was a member of NATO and attacking them would spark a general war, whereas invading Cuba might not necessarily spread to Europe. Though if I was going to place a bet, it would be retaliation against West Berlin. Seems kind of pointless to have missiles in Turkey seeing how American bombers can strike almost anywhere in the USSR from Alaska, unlike Soviet bombers which might make it to American targets on a one-way trip. They didn't have many or many ICBMs but they did have plenty of short range missiles that could easily hit targets in Europe, or in the South from Cuba.
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Turkey was a member of NATO and attacking them would spark a general war, whereas invading Cuba might not necessarily spread to Europe. Though if I was going to place a bet, it would be retaliation against West Berlin. Seems kind of pointless to have missiles in Turkey seeing how American bombers can strike almost anywhere in the USSR from Alaska, unlike Soviet bombers which might make it to American targets on a one-way trip. They didn't have many or many ICBMs but they did have plenty of short range missiles that could easily hit targets in Europe, or in the South from Cuba.
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Andr
Placing missiles in Cuba was their reaction to the US placing missiles in Turkey and Italy. Kruschev says in his memoirs that they were impressed and scared by how the US panicked due to the cuban situation. To the soviets, the US placed nukes around the USSR; so, the USSR would place nukes around the US. This was just assuring the ballance of power, which was far from being a new concept back then. The US almost invaded Cuba, which would have been a very agressive and messy movement, as it could have easily gone wrong in so many ways.
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Placing missiles in Cuba was their reaction to the US placing missiles in Turkey and Italy. Kruschev says in his memoirs that they were impressed and scared by how the US panicked due to the cuban situation. To the soviets, the US placed nukes around the USSR; so, the USSR would place nukes around the US. This was just assuring the ballance of power, which was far from being a new concept back then. The US almost invaded Cuba, which would have been a very agressive and messy movement, as it could have easily gone wrong in so many ways.
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mer
Turkish people learnt Turkiye had had nuclear missiles in 80s. Only some curious civilian saw the missiles and soldiers explained they're minaret. (Tower that is a part of mosques used for azan)
On the other hand Turkish goverment was pround for having the missiles and didn't want to give back to USA first. They paint Turkish flags on them and named as Ibrahim because of the ICBM text on them.
And yes, Turkish soldiers were trained in USA and knew how to fire Ibrahim missiles.
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Turkish people learnt Turkiye had had nuclear missiles in 80s. Only some curious civilian saw the missiles and soldiers explained they're minaret. (Tower that is a part of mosques used for azan)
On the other hand Turkish goverment was pround for having the missiles and didn't want to give back to USA first. They paint Turkish flags on them and named as Ibrahim because of the ICBM text on them.
And yes, Turkish soldiers were trained in USA and knew how to fire Ibrahim missiles.
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ttt2080
Also, another reason that the Americans agreed to remove the missiles from Turkey was that the first Inter-continental ballistic missile submarines had been developed (The first American ICBM submarine, the USS George Washington completed its first cruise in January 1961. This meant that the missiles in Turkey were now not that strategically important, since the Americans would soon have submarine fleets capable of launching missiles in every ocean around the USSR.
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Also, another reason that the Americans agreed to remove the missiles from Turkey was that the first Inter-continental ballistic missile submarines had been developed (The first American ICBM submarine, the USS George Washington completed its first cruise in January 1961. This meant that the missiles in Turkey were now not that strategically important, since the Americans would soon have submarine fleets capable of launching missiles in every ocean around the USSR.
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yondie
There's also the issue of precedent, which you KIND OF touched upon, but not really.
America was already, undeniably, an OVERT military presence in Europe. No question, no debate.
The Soviet Union had no such equivalency in the Americas (it had covert whatnots, but that's a whole other thing.
Combine that with the Monroe Doctrine (i. e. a century and a half of Europe, ya'll stay over there, we got this half covered ) and it's quite a bit different.
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There's also the issue of precedent, which you KIND OF touched upon, but not really.
America was already, undeniably, an OVERT military presence in Europe. No question, no debate.
The Soviet Union had no such equivalency in the Americas (it had covert whatnots, but that's a whole other thing.
Combine that with the Monroe Doctrine (i. e. a century and a half of Europe, ya'll stay over there, we got this half covered ) and it's quite a bit different.
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Rosie
USA: Ok, I'm gonna place my nukes here right at your doorstep. This is just for safety reasons.
USSR: Hey, what gives!
USA: yep! that's for keeping me safe from you. I don't care if you feel threatened or if your lives are at risk.
USSR: That's not right. you can't do that!
USA: I can do whatever I want. Deal with it CYKA. He he he.
USSR: places nukes right at US doorstep for safety reasons
USA: Now hold on just a minute.
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USA: Ok, I'm gonna place my nukes here right at your doorstep. This is just for safety reasons.
USSR: Hey, what gives!
USA: yep! that's for keeping me safe from you. I don't care if you feel threatened or if your lives are at risk.
USSR: That's not right. you can't do that!
USA: I can do whatever I want. Deal with it CYKA. He he he.
USSR: places nukes right at US doorstep for safety reasons
USA: Now hold on just a minute.
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Gamerz1172
Honestly while people are pointing out Lol not so much the good guys USA I do want to point out kennedy getting ready to offer the withdrawal of missiles from turkey that he decided against the second Khruschev demanded he leave Berlin or else it would be war. Like I didnt fully understand before this video why the Soviet leadership blamed Khruschev for the crisis, but honestly after hearing that bit I see why they did
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Honestly while people are pointing out Lol not so much the good guys USA I do want to point out kennedy getting ready to offer the withdrawal of missiles from turkey that he decided against the second Khruschev demanded he leave Berlin or else it would be war. Like I didnt fully understand before this video why the Soviet leadership blamed Khruschev for the crisis, but honestly after hearing that bit I see why they did
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Jeb
The reason that the United States was so angry over the decision by Khrushchev to install missiles in Cuba is because it violated the decades old Monroe Doctrine which stated that the US had all of North and South America as well as the Caribbean under it's sphere of influence. This policy excluded anyone else from interfering in that sphere. That's why it was such a big deal.
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The reason that the United States was so angry over the decision by Khrushchev to install missiles in Cuba is because it violated the decades old Monroe Doctrine which stated that the US had all of North and South America as well as the Caribbean under it's sphere of influence. This policy excluded anyone else from interfering in that sphere. That's why it was such a big deal.
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Tmb1112
Because the Soviets thought: Well it s two countries making this pact and we technically can t do anything about it. Oh! I know, we ll go out nukes in Cuba too, since they can t do anything about that either!
The US, in fact, could do something about that but the Soviets did get the nukes out of Turkey in the attempt so good on them I suppose.
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Because the Soviets thought: Well it s two countries making this pact and we technically can t do anything about it. Oh! I know, we ll go out nukes in Cuba too, since they can t do anything about that either!
The US, in fact, could do something about that but the Soviets did get the nukes out of Turkey in the attempt so good on them I suppose.
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The
That s the secret about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kennedy spun it as a win but really it was a loss
Kennedy was a weak leader who is only remembered fondly because he was handsome, have nice speeches, and most importantly was assassinated
He wasn t exactly a bad President but he is definitely the most overrated President
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That s the secret about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kennedy spun it as a win but really it was a loss
Kennedy was a weak leader who is only remembered fondly because he was handsome, have nice speeches, and most importantly was assassinated
He wasn t exactly a bad President but he is definitely the most overrated President
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Patrick
Kennedy didn't play. Here's a bit of his and Kruschev's meeting.
At their final meeting, Kennedy sought to improve the chilled atmosphere over Berlin. It is up to the U. S. to decide whether there will be war or peace, Khrushchev said. Then, Mr. Chairman, Kennedy responded, there will be war. It will be a cold winter.
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Kennedy didn't play. Here's a bit of his and Kruschev's meeting.
At their final meeting, Kennedy sought to improve the chilled atmosphere over Berlin. It is up to the U. S. to decide whether there will be war or peace, Khrushchev said. Then, Mr. Chairman, Kennedy responded, there will be war. It will be a cold winter.
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Starhal
I dislike communism because of people like Stalin (Commited blunder after blunder in military leadership, took credit for achievements of other Bolshevik leaders, purged milions of citisens of USSR ate shit and died, but the more I learn about later USSR the more I realise it did indeed get better.
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I dislike communism because of people like Stalin (Commited blunder after blunder in military leadership, took credit for achievements of other Bolshevik leaders, purged milions of citisens of USSR ate shit and died, but the more I learn about later USSR the more I realise it did indeed get better.
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Ralph
USSR wasn t in a position to complain and they knew it they just thought they could scare a new president and get away with bringing the missile close to the USA oh and the missiles in turkey were obsolete Jupiter systems so the loss wasn t much but it allow some face saving by the ussr
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USSR wasn t in a position to complain and they knew it they just thought they could scare a new president and get away with bringing the missile close to the USA oh and the missiles in turkey were obsolete Jupiter systems so the loss wasn t much but it allow some face saving by the ussr
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ARK
yeah in my world geo class they were talking about the Cuban missile crisis they really didn't talk about missiles in turkey, and then I later said to my friend, you the USSR put missiles in Cuba because the US put missiles in Turkey and he acted so surprised when he realized it was true
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yeah in my world geo class they were talking about the Cuban missile crisis they really didn't talk about missiles in turkey, and then I later said to my friend, you the USSR put missiles in Cuba because the US put missiles in Turkey and he acted so surprised when he realized it was true
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Iordache
Video Idea: Why was Khrushchev removed from power? Most of the answers will say it's because of the Cuban Missile Crisis, but after seeing this video, it seems that USSR had more in 1962, than it did in 1960, so I think it's a pretty interesting and complex question.
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Video Idea: Why was Khrushchev removed from power? Most of the answers will say it's because of the Cuban Missile Crisis, but after seeing this video, it seems that USSR had more in 1962, than it did in 1960, so I think it's a pretty interesting and complex question.
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Subconvex
It would have saved Khrusha a lot of trouble if he had just been nicer to Not-Shot JFK, they got it solved in time but he'd never get the missiles removed if it went on much longer considering how stiff Shot-JFK was on foreign policy
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It would have saved Khrusha a lot of trouble if he had just been nicer to Not-Shot JFK, they got it solved in time but he'd never get the missiles removed if it went on much longer considering how stiff Shot-JFK was on foreign policy
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