What happened with the Germans of Eastern Europe
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Date: 2024-12-02
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evanneal4936
I don't think its fair that America is in favor of moving populations when its in their interests but oppose it if it's not in their best interests. America was first to say, Move the native germans to prevent uprisings, but as soon as someone else, like the ussr or Israel, for example, attempts to move populations that are not even native to the area but are invaders for the same reason, thats seen as wrong and unethical. that's hypocritical and is definitely not what America should be known for. but it is.
America is the biggest rules for yee but not for me empire to ever exist. They are the first one to say you cant do that because its unethical, while they also do it at the same time (trail of tears, for example. They are always the first one to make rules for other countries but refuse to apply those same rules to themselves or be bound by fair rules made by others.
Germany DIDN'T illegally occupy most of where their ethnic population was in Europe. They settled there over centuries and became the actual native population the same way native Americans are for the US. then, over time, those areas, which were part of the HRE for several centuries, began being invaded and illegally occupied by foreign powers who would EVENTUALLY become the legal owners of the territory that was previously Germany and they were forced out. its the same thing as the germans being the native Americans, then the British and later the Americans came and forced the native population to migrate because they owned it now. whether that be through wars or legal occupation.
In the case of Israel, they were invaded, conquered and occupied by Palestinians exactly the same way as the germans did to everyone in ww2 but the germans were forced to migrate to stop possible rebellion but the Palestinians are not required to migrate back to their homeland (which is Egypt, not in the Levant) just because enough people are protesting it saying it's unethical despite the fact that illegally invading a foreign country is actually more unethical than moving the invaders out. if they don't move them out theres ALWAYS a possibility of rebellion and uprising that lead to the current war. if they were correctly moved out like they should have been, this war, and many before it would not have happened.
The #1 rule of conquering is that you put your people there so you maintain a permanent claim to the region. the Israelis are the original native population of the area, they were invaded and conquered by Palestinians and arabs who then moved their people there illegally to claim it as theirs just like white Europeans did in America and all over the world, then now everyone is confused about who actually owns it. but just because a population is present there DOESN'T mean its their land. especially if that population is invaders and conquerers. If Palestinians want to stay in the levant, they need to accept being a minority group in Israel, not just breaking away as an independent nation, balkan/yugoslavia style via illegal rebellion just because they don't have a nation state of their own. That's like if native Americans' reservations became 100% independent nations because they disagree with white people being in charge of the United States so they start a rebellion.
Nationalism also plays a key role as well. before 1848 and the nationalism wave, there was no such thing as Palestinians as a separate ethnic group. They were considered either arab or Egyptian ethnicity. then, after nationalism it just became an excuse for them to make an independent nation in Israel to prevent the native jews from getting back their rightful land after ww2. all of this is true according to most historical studies and research. This is not my personal opinion, but the truth told by history and research. Im an actual historian and researcher, so i feel obligated to share what I learned about it because it relates to the topic in the video.
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I don't think its fair that America is in favor of moving populations when its in their interests but oppose it if it's not in their best interests. America was first to say, Move the native germans to prevent uprisings, but as soon as someone else, like the ussr or Israel, for example, attempts to move populations that are not even native to the area but are invaders for the same reason, thats seen as wrong and unethical. that's hypocritical and is definitely not what America should be known for. but it is.
America is the biggest rules for yee but not for me empire to ever exist. They are the first one to say you cant do that because its unethical, while they also do it at the same time (trail of tears, for example. They are always the first one to make rules for other countries but refuse to apply those same rules to themselves or be bound by fair rules made by others.
Germany DIDN'T illegally occupy most of where their ethnic population was in Europe. They settled there over centuries and became the actual native population the same way native Americans are for the US. then, over time, those areas, which were part of the HRE for several centuries, began being invaded and illegally occupied by foreign powers who would EVENTUALLY become the legal owners of the territory that was previously Germany and they were forced out. its the same thing as the germans being the native Americans, then the British and later the Americans came and forced the native population to migrate because they owned it now. whether that be through wars or legal occupation.
In the case of Israel, they were invaded, conquered and occupied by Palestinians exactly the same way as the germans did to everyone in ww2 but the germans were forced to migrate to stop possible rebellion but the Palestinians are not required to migrate back to their homeland (which is Egypt, not in the Levant) just because enough people are protesting it saying it's unethical despite the fact that illegally invading a foreign country is actually more unethical than moving the invaders out. if they don't move them out theres ALWAYS a possibility of rebellion and uprising that lead to the current war. if they were correctly moved out like they should have been, this war, and many before it would not have happened.
The #1 rule of conquering is that you put your people there so you maintain a permanent claim to the region. the Israelis are the original native population of the area, they were invaded and conquered by Palestinians and arabs who then moved their people there illegally to claim it as theirs just like white Europeans did in America and all over the world, then now everyone is confused about who actually owns it. but just because a population is present there DOESN'T mean its their land. especially if that population is invaders and conquerers. If Palestinians want to stay in the levant, they need to accept being a minority group in Israel, not just breaking away as an independent nation, balkan/yugoslavia style via illegal rebellion just because they don't have a nation state of their own. That's like if native Americans' reservations became 100% independent nations because they disagree with white people being in charge of the United States so they start a rebellion.
Nationalism also plays a key role as well. before 1848 and the nationalism wave, there was no such thing as Palestinians as a separate ethnic group. They were considered either arab or Egyptian ethnicity. then, after nationalism it just became an excuse for them to make an independent nation in Israel to prevent the native jews from getting back their rightful land after ww2. all of this is true according to most historical studies and research. This is not my personal opinion, but the truth told by history and research. Im an actual historian and researcher, so i feel obligated to share what I learned about it because it relates to the topic in the video.
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jiritichy7967
6; 10 The prewar German population of Czechoslovakia was not 4. 5 illion, but about 3. 5 million.
When Germans penetrated East over thousand years, they never came to adopt the culture of the host countries, they demanded special priveleges and laws, behave dominantly and opressed the local populations. After the atrocities of he WW2, it was imperative to remove these people to their original homeland to prevent future problems. They ended, where they wanted to be in the first place, in the Third Reich, like the treasoneous Czech Germans.
The losses and suferring by Germans during the resettlement are likely exgenerated in the presentation, and although not condoned, they are fully the responsibility of Germans who originated the WW2 atrocities.
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6; 10 The prewar German population of Czechoslovakia was not 4. 5 illion, but about 3. 5 million.
When Germans penetrated East over thousand years, they never came to adopt the culture of the host countries, they demanded special priveleges and laws, behave dominantly and opressed the local populations. After the atrocities of he WW2, it was imperative to remove these people to their original homeland to prevent future problems. They ended, where they wanted to be in the first place, in the Third Reich, like the treasoneous Czech Germans.
The losses and suferring by Germans during the resettlement are likely exgenerated in the presentation, and although not condoned, they are fully the responsibility of Germans who originated the WW2 atrocities.
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radekskuhra9536
Why are you doing a video on this topic without mentioning Poland's moving borders, the social pressure on the governments, Sudeto-German stance on nazism pre war, atrocities commited in the countries by nazi regime.
This video follows only one narative which is eastern europeans = bad. That just isn't true and a ten minute video generalising the whole thing is embarrassing and simply not good enough.
Most of the time atleast in Czechoslovakia it was in the interest of the Germans to be moved simply to save their life and prevent people holding ad hoc courts and commiting atrocities back upon them. It was to prevent further bloodshed, in which it was largely successful in.
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Why are you doing a video on this topic without mentioning Poland's moving borders, the social pressure on the governments, Sudeto-German stance on nazism pre war, atrocities commited in the countries by nazi regime.
This video follows only one narative which is eastern europeans = bad. That just isn't true and a ten minute video generalising the whole thing is embarrassing and simply not good enough.
Most of the time atleast in Czechoslovakia it was in the interest of the Germans to be moved simply to save their life and prevent people holding ad hoc courts and commiting atrocities back upon them. It was to prevent further bloodshed, in which it was largely successful in.
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RandomGuy-rc6vd
Interesting fact: there are around 200, 000 ethnic Germans living in Kazakhstan. They are descendants of the Volga Germans deported by Stalin’s rule in 1941, and there weren’t the only unreliable group who were deported: Koreans, Chechens, Kurds and many more ethnicities had the same story. As a Kazakh, I’m very proud that our ancestors helped all these people to survive. My own great-grandparents shared their food and medications with repressed peoples. While most have returned to their ancestral homelands afterwards, some have stayed and still live in Kazakhstan to this day. Our country is home to 120 ethnic groups living in harmony, which we are proud of.
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Interesting fact: there are around 200, 000 ethnic Germans living in Kazakhstan. They are descendants of the Volga Germans deported by Stalin’s rule in 1941, and there weren’t the only unreliable group who were deported: Koreans, Chechens, Kurds and many more ethnicities had the same story. As a Kazakh, I’m very proud that our ancestors helped all these people to survive. My own great-grandparents shared their food and medications with repressed peoples. While most have returned to their ancestral homelands afterwards, some have stayed and still live in Kazakhstan to this day. Our country is home to 120 ethnic groups living in harmony, which we are proud of.
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knowledgia
The fate of the Germans in Eastern Europe after 1945 was largely defined by the expulsion, resettlement, and displacement caused by the aftermath of World War II, as well as by shifting borders, political realignments, and the broader context of post war reconstruction. Many were forced out of their ancestral homes, faced significant hardships, and were scattered across Germany and other countries. Over time, they became part of the larger wave of postwar European migration and settlement, which shaped the demographic and political landscapes of both Eastern and Western Europe.
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The fate of the Germans in Eastern Europe after 1945 was largely defined by the expulsion, resettlement, and displacement caused by the aftermath of World War II, as well as by shifting borders, political realignments, and the broader context of post war reconstruction. Many were forced out of their ancestral homes, faced significant hardships, and were scattered across Germany and other countries. Over time, they became part of the larger wave of postwar European migration and settlement, which shaped the demographic and political landscapes of both Eastern and Western Europe.
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Kai_Peters
German schools, at least in Berlin, barely touch this subject. I believe in the 11th grade, it was discussed for around four hours in total.
One of the largest ethnic cleansings ever committed, organized and orchestrated by some of our current 'allies', still within living memory - and the school system deems it less important than e. g the Berlin blockade 1948, which is taught for multiple weeks in elementary school, middle school and highschool, including two museum visits in my case.
There are German adults, barely aware of the lives and land lost in this genocide
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German schools, at least in Berlin, barely touch this subject. I believe in the 11th grade, it was discussed for around four hours in total.
One of the largest ethnic cleansings ever committed, organized and orchestrated by some of our current 'allies', still within living memory - and the school system deems it less important than e. g the Berlin blockade 1948, which is taught for multiple weeks in elementary school, middle school and highschool, including two museum visits in my case.
There are German adults, barely aware of the lives and land lost in this genocide
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Mc-machanical
And all of Europe wonders why the german dont have a military. It genuinely blows my mind. The people, the country, and their spirits have been smasthed twice. The relocation, all the restrictions, and war reparations are a cherry on top. As an American, even I wouldn't want to show any signs of aggression after all that. They, as a whole nation, have nothing to be proud of. Their rich, they are a united nation, and they have full health care. that's it.
If there are any Germans who say im wrong, please by all means tell me.
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And all of Europe wonders why the german dont have a military. It genuinely blows my mind. The people, the country, and their spirits have been smasthed twice. The relocation, all the restrictions, and war reparations are a cherry on top. As an American, even I wouldn't want to show any signs of aggression after all that. They, as a whole nation, have nothing to be proud of. Their rich, they are a united nation, and they have full health care. that's it.
If there are any Germans who say im wrong, please by all means tell me.
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markaxworthy2508
What did Germans collectively expect No consequences for being responsible for the deaths of 35, 000, 000 fellow Europeans
Germans might argue among themselves about how and why the consequences fell only on Eastern Germans, but they have no reason to complain about the fact of consequences.
If the Allies had insisted on an eye for an eye punishment, five or six times as many Germans would have died. Overall, the Germans got away with suffering only a tiny proportion of the misery they collectively inflicted.
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What did Germans collectively expect No consequences for being responsible for the deaths of 35, 000, 000 fellow Europeans
Germans might argue among themselves about how and why the consequences fell only on Eastern Germans, but they have no reason to complain about the fact of consequences.
If the Allies had insisted on an eye for an eye punishment, five or six times as many Germans would have died. Overall, the Germans got away with suffering only a tiny proportion of the misery they collectively inflicted.
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mehmetalioz368
This is a good example of FAFO. Almost all of the Ethnic Germans in occupied lands enthusiastically collaborated with Nazis. Their collaboration can be traced back before the war. A notorious example is Sudetenland Germans. There are still film footage of thousands of Germans cheering for Nazi soldiers. Ethnic Germans in occupied lands greatly embraced Nazi regime, took part in it and enjoyed the privileges. Historically there isn't any resistance to Nazis among Ethnic Germans.
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This is a good example of FAFO. Almost all of the Ethnic Germans in occupied lands enthusiastically collaborated with Nazis. Their collaboration can be traced back before the war. A notorious example is Sudetenland Germans. There are still film footage of thousands of Germans cheering for Nazi soldiers. Ethnic Germans in occupied lands greatly embraced Nazi regime, took part in it and enjoyed the privileges. Historically there isn't any resistance to Nazis among Ethnic Germans.
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KoenDeKapoen
And now we are left with a Europe that hates itself. Good job globalists. Ok that the pride the Germans had was over the top, but what we got to replace this with is just weakness. We are destroying ourselves and it is deemed the right thing to do, it is sickening. That the Germans were wrong during WW2, yes, but that doesn't mean that doing the opposite is good. Allow us Europeans to feel just a little bit stronger, give us back some pride. Let us see reality again.
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And now we are left with a Europe that hates itself. Good job globalists. Ok that the pride the Germans had was over the top, but what we got to replace this with is just weakness. We are destroying ourselves and it is deemed the right thing to do, it is sickening. That the Germans were wrong during WW2, yes, but that doesn't mean that doing the opposite is good. Allow us Europeans to feel just a little bit stronger, give us back some pride. Let us see reality again.
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michaelthayer5351
Forced Population Resettlement.
When you start braindead wars others tend to not want to have your ethnics as their neighbors. Same thing happened to the Hungarians.
The broader idea after World War 2 was that if ethnic and national boundaries lined up their wouldn't be future revanchist nationalist tensions that many blamed for the World Wars( e. g. the Sudetenland, Transylvania, Danzig, Alsace-Loraine etc.
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Forced Population Resettlement.
When you start braindead wars others tend to not want to have your ethnics as their neighbors. Same thing happened to the Hungarians.
The broader idea after World War 2 was that if ethnic and national boundaries lined up their wouldn't be future revanchist nationalist tensions that many blamed for the World Wars( e. g. the Sudetenland, Transylvania, Danzig, Alsace-Loraine etc.
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ggoddkkiller1342
Millions displaced or killed = genocide
Millions displaced or killed = deportation
Millions displaced or killed = rEcoNcLliaTion
Historical examples, deportation of Crimean Tatars, German reconciliation, expulsion of Muslims from Balkans, deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. You gotta be really blind if you can't see the pattern here and how humanism is used as a tool.
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Millions displaced or killed = genocide
Millions displaced or killed = deportation
Millions displaced or killed = rEcoNcLliaTion
Historical examples, deportation of Crimean Tatars, German reconciliation, expulsion of Muslims from Balkans, deportation of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. You gotta be really blind if you can't see the pattern here and how humanism is used as a tool.
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ergt9743t
This was so heartbreaking to watch, the world was always unfair towards Germans. That painter was trying to restore the lost German pride. People cry about fake 6 million numbers but imagine what Ethnic Germans faced in Soviet Gulags and in Yugoslavia. As the history is written by the winners(the good guys) we will never know how close they were towards the annihilation of the German Race.
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This was so heartbreaking to watch, the world was always unfair towards Germans. That painter was trying to restore the lost German pride. People cry about fake 6 million numbers but imagine what Ethnic Germans faced in Soviet Gulags and in Yugoslavia. As the history is written by the winners(the good guys) we will never know how close they were towards the annihilation of the German Race.
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TheRealBrook1968
Tortured for Christ by Richard Wurmbrand tells of his imprisonment in Romania after the war. He came from a family of German Jews, was a Romanian by nationality and converted to become a Lutheran minister. Everyone was out to get him from the Nazis to the Communists and after 20 years of torture and imprisonment in gulags, he and his wife emigrated to the USA.
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Tortured for Christ by Richard Wurmbrand tells of his imprisonment in Romania after the war. He came from a family of German Jews, was a Romanian by nationality and converted to become a Lutheran minister. Everyone was out to get him from the Nazis to the Communists and after 20 years of torture and imprisonment in gulags, he and his wife emigrated to the USA.
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ulrichhartmann4585
An important video about a page of history which is often overlooked. However, it fails to mention the shifting of borders: As a compensation for Eastern Poland becoming Soviet territory Poland was given parts of Germany that for the most part had hardly any Polish population at all. (And the Soviets took what is now called Kaliningrad)
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An important video about a page of history which is often overlooked. However, it fails to mention the shifting of borders: As a compensation for Eastern Poland becoming Soviet territory Poland was given parts of Germany that for the most part had hardly any Polish population at all. (And the Soviets took what is now called Kaliningrad)
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Thebattler86
You left out most of the Germans in your map. The Swiss, Dutch, French, Swedish, Norwegians, Danish, Belgians, English and Catalonians (Visigoths) and some North Italians (Ostrogoths) are also ethnic Germans. That goes without even mentioning the Anglo-Normans, the Spanish descendants of the Visigoths, Ostrogoths and French Burgundians.
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You left out most of the Germans in your map. The Swiss, Dutch, French, Swedish, Norwegians, Danish, Belgians, English and Catalonians (Visigoths) and some North Italians (Ostrogoths) are also ethnic Germans. That goes without even mentioning the Anglo-Normans, the Spanish descendants of the Visigoths, Ostrogoths and French Burgundians.
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TheFisterin
There are around 3000 Germans living in Serbia today, mainly in Banat region, in my opinion they should have stayed, even though their policies always sought to destroy or enslave us, even though my own ancestors fought tooth and nail against them, Germans are generally net contributors to any society, some of the others, not so much.
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There are around 3000 Germans living in Serbia today, mainly in Banat region, in my opinion they should have stayed, even though their policies always sought to destroy or enslave us, even though my own ancestors fought tooth and nail against them, Germans are generally net contributors to any society, some of the others, not so much.
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JakobFischer60
You first should have explained how the Germans got to those places outside of Germany in the first place. Those were settlers from begining of the middle ages until about 1850 when kings wanted to populate areas were wars had decimated the population or were the area was sparcely populated.
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You first should have explained how the Germans got to those places outside of Germany in the first place. Those were settlers from begining of the middle ages until about 1850 when kings wanted to populate areas were wars had decimated the population or were the area was sparcely populated.
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BS-vx8dg
Though it wouldn't be as complex a topic, I'd like to see a similar video on how the redrawing of Polish borders after WW II affected Poles. How many were forced to leave their homes How many generations had the now-refugees been living in the Pale Was there any compensation for them
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Though it wouldn't be as complex a topic, I'd like to see a similar video on how the redrawing of Polish borders after WW II affected Poles. How many were forced to leave their homes How many generations had the now-refugees been living in the Pale Was there any compensation for them
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carloldham8863
Make a video about the post war expulsion of Japanese citizens and settlers from their prewar colonies (Korea, Taiwan, Southern Sakhalin, Kuril Islands, Micronesia, Palau- which still has a municipality with Japanese has an official language, etc) and conquests during WW2.
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Make a video about the post war expulsion of Japanese citizens and settlers from their prewar colonies (Korea, Taiwan, Southern Sakhalin, Kuril Islands, Micronesia, Palau- which still has a municipality with Japanese has an official language, etc) and conquests during WW2.
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