The Big Problem With Interstellar Travel
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Now lets assume you get to Proxima and there is and -Earth-like- planet there. -Earth-like- ISNT Earth. Odds are none of the plant and animal life would be edible. Its also probable we couldnt grow our food in the native soil. That means theyd be reliant on hydroponics. Even on Earth, there can be drastic ecological repercussions to introducing a non-native species. What affect would humans have on an alien ecosystem and how far would we go to make it adapt to our needs?
Lastly, other than the original nomadic expansion of pre-civilizattion humans throughout the planet, there really hasnt been a case of colonization without maintaining supply lines back to where they started from. Even in North America, with all its natural resources, supplies from Europe were essential to keep them going at first. When westward expansion happened, contact with the East was necessary. Sure, lone explorers and trappers could survive for months, but even they travelled East to sell their wares until it became possible for the buyers to follow them.
Date: 2023-12-14
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reallifelore
-Welcome to Starship SSGross. Because of the intensely small gene pool here on board. we suggest the following:
1. Grab an issued headset for yourself now. but also for one of the two headed abominations that will be a standard feature of your descendants in the future. What an excellent hand-me-down. even if your descendant will have 7 of them!
2. Tuesday nights are Taco nights. Feel free to bring multiple cousins for an exciting date night! -
In 2, 000 years. this ship is going to feature banjos and bathtub jin as its two main food groups and there will be like 7 dirty babies running around completely unattended 24/7 on each level of the ship with them wicked saggy diapers that feature multiple shades. coats if you will. of an -Earthy- dried yellow.
The faster us will start opening fire on the past us once they see the doors open and a super angry cyclops with like 7 stomachs comes oozing out in their direction.
MF'ers seriously got paid to think up this idea. Let that sink in for a second.
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-Welcome to Starship SSGross. Because of the intensely small gene pool here on board. we suggest the following:
1. Grab an issued headset for yourself now. but also for one of the two headed abominations that will be a standard feature of your descendants in the future. What an excellent hand-me-down. even if your descendant will have 7 of them!
2. Tuesday nights are Taco nights. Feel free to bring multiple cousins for an exciting date night! -
In 2, 000 years. this ship is going to feature banjos and bathtub jin as its two main food groups and there will be like 7 dirty babies running around completely unattended 24/7 on each level of the ship with them wicked saggy diapers that feature multiple shades. coats if you will. of an -Earthy- dried yellow.
The faster us will start opening fire on the past us once they see the doors open and a super angry cyclops with like 7 stomachs comes oozing out in their direction.
MF'ers seriously got paid to think up this idea. Let that sink in for a second.
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-kennystrawnmusic
Surprised no one has thought about constructing a solar sail out of a material consisting of billions of single-atom-thick sheets of e. g. silicon all positioned a nanometer or two away from each other in such a way as to create a Casimir effect when stellar radiation pressure is applied.
Solar sails themselves are capable of achieving incredible speeds even without the Casimir effect; now take into account the extreme mass-energy differential that integrating the Casimir effect directly into a solar sails would have, with positive radiation pressure behind the solar sails and negative radiation pressure inside them. Then there-s the positive feedback loop that sweeping up high energy particles into the resulting warp bubble would have - the solar sail would catch them and accelerate even further as a result.
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Surprised no one has thought about constructing a solar sail out of a material consisting of billions of single-atom-thick sheets of e. g. silicon all positioned a nanometer or two away from each other in such a way as to create a Casimir effect when stellar radiation pressure is applied.
Solar sails themselves are capable of achieving incredible speeds even without the Casimir effect; now take into account the extreme mass-energy differential that integrating the Casimir effect directly into a solar sails would have, with positive radiation pressure behind the solar sails and negative radiation pressure inside them. Then there-s the positive feedback loop that sweeping up high energy particles into the resulting warp bubble would have - the solar sail would catch them and accelerate even further as a result.
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-HDGodNero
I think it might be possible to increase a humans life to about 1000 years or even more, as long as we learn how to keep the brain alive. Eventually there might be a tehnology that would allow us to transplant our brains into other bodies or into robots. There is already a study that took pig brains out of the body and kept them alive for about 36 hours. Although transplants might not be possible, I think keeping the brain alive in some kind of liquid container might be possible. Hopefully during this time the brain would be in a dream like state. Maybe if brain chips make a lot of progresss we might be able to make these brains live in a virtual world until it is possible to transplant brains.
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I think it might be possible to increase a humans life to about 1000 years or even more, as long as we learn how to keep the brain alive. Eventually there might be a tehnology that would allow us to transplant our brains into other bodies or into robots. There is already a study that took pig brains out of the body and kept them alive for about 36 hours. Although transplants might not be possible, I think keeping the brain alive in some kind of liquid container might be possible. Hopefully during this time the brain would be in a dream like state. Maybe if brain chips make a lot of progresss we might be able to make these brains live in a virtual world until it is possible to transplant brains.
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-anthonykirkness
When you are in space; can you harvest static electricity and turn that into power for deep space exploration? Since light will be harder to collect at a far. Also has anyone looked into using magnetic fields from our sun and planets as a means of travel; meaning creating a space shuttle that can be negatively charged to get pushed by the suns mostly positive field? you can build a giant solar magnetic -net- that you can extend for travel purpose then collapse in means of slowing down or for maneuvering. dont be afraid to message me, ive been thinking about means of travel through space for awhile
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When you are in space; can you harvest static electricity and turn that into power for deep space exploration? Since light will be harder to collect at a far. Also has anyone looked into using magnetic fields from our sun and planets as a means of travel; meaning creating a space shuttle that can be negatively charged to get pushed by the suns mostly positive field? you can build a giant solar magnetic -net- that you can extend for travel purpose then collapse in means of slowing down or for maneuvering. dont be afraid to message me, ive been thinking about means of travel through space for awhile
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--dimar-
I don't think anyone will go to another solar system without exhaustive planning, preparation and ultra crazy future proof solutions. The slower ships will have prepared protocols for encounter and integration with the future faster ships. The faster ships will have records of the slower ships and will get them on the way. I guess they could send two ships straight to the solar system, and another two ships to pick up the slower ships. It would be strange to abandon people in the middle of space. I'm sure people will be constantly working on new tech, and maybe one day figure out FTL communications. -
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I don't think anyone will go to another solar system without exhaustive planning, preparation and ultra crazy future proof solutions. The slower ships will have prepared protocols for encounter and integration with the future faster ships. The faster ships will have records of the slower ships and will get them on the way. I guess they could send two ships straight to the solar system, and another two ships to pick up the slower ships. It would be strange to abandon people in the middle of space. I'm sure people will be constantly working on new tech, and maybe one day figure out FTL communications. -
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reallifelore
I realized a few years ago this just popping up at another galaxy in 20 minutes is not likely. But who's going to make a movie where Captin Kirk (and all crew) dies on the way and his now great great great great great grandson is now the captain in charge upon arrival at the destination planet. Make matters worse, the ship probably doesn't even make it. 30% of the way there it hits a rock the size of a baseball that destroys the ship. Start over yet again.
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I realized a few years ago this just popping up at another galaxy in 20 minutes is not likely. But who's going to make a movie where Captin Kirk (and all crew) dies on the way and his now great great great great great grandson is now the captain in charge upon arrival at the destination planet. Make matters worse, the ship probably doesn't even make it. 30% of the way there it hits a rock the size of a baseball that destroys the ship. Start over yet again.
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-mfadhil2541
Even if in the far future humanity could create spaceship that could travel with only 10-30% of light speed, Human civilization would move on from solar system civilization (type 2) to interstellar civilization (type 2+.
For the current civilization, it is still impossible due to technological and energy limitations, but colonization of the low earth orbit, moon, and mars is still achievable.
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Even if in the far future humanity could create spaceship that could travel with only 10-30% of light speed, Human civilization would move on from solar system civilization (type 2) to interstellar civilization (type 2+.
For the current civilization, it is still impossible due to technological and energy limitations, but colonization of the low earth orbit, moon, and mars is still achievable.
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reallifelore
My idea:
1. Go to moon-
2. Mine 1636 metric tons of thorium and 20 tons of uranium 238 to turn into plutonium 239 -
3. Make alcubierre warp drive-
4. Combine the huge amount of thorium and plutonium to make a fission reactor to power the 18, 000, 000, 000 megawatt hours required to activate the warp drive -
5. Engage warp and point ship to Proximia Centauri
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My idea:
1. Go to moon-
2. Mine 1636 metric tons of thorium and 20 tons of uranium 238 to turn into plutonium 239 -
3. Make alcubierre warp drive-
4. Combine the huge amount of thorium and plutonium to make a fission reactor to power the 18, 000, 000, 000 megawatt hours required to activate the warp drive -
5. Engage warp and point ship to Proximia Centauri
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reallifelore
if it happened, the chinese would fill the ship with chinese people, the mexicans would fill it with mexicans, the africans would fill it with africans, the arabs would fill it with arabs. if the europeans or americans filled it with 30 percent europeans there would be woke tears and jobs would be lost. BLM folks (BLM made ancient Egypt folks. lol)
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if it happened, the chinese would fill the ship with chinese people, the mexicans would fill it with mexicans, the africans would fill it with africans, the arabs would fill it with arabs. if the europeans or americans filled it with 30 percent europeans there would be woke tears and jobs would be lost. BLM folks (BLM made ancient Egypt folks. lol)
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-krtirtho
What if 1 million years ago generation ship approached Earth from a distant planet & colonized their self
But without enough resources & a whole new eco system they couldn't kept their tech up to date & they had to live cave. And had to rub stones for fire & hunt for food. At the end of the day, they became the modern human's first generation
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What if 1 million years ago generation ship approached Earth from a distant planet & colonized their self
But without enough resources & a whole new eco system they couldn't kept their tech up to date & they had to live cave. And had to rub stones for fire & hunt for food. At the end of the day, they became the modern human's first generation
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-diastrus1236
A Generation ship is the silliest interstellar travel idea. That long in space would destroy the human body and make colonizing the planet almost impossible, living in a tiny ship would drive everyone crazy, etc. Why don-t people talk about suspended animation, or freezing embryos, more? Until we figure out warp drives of course -
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A Generation ship is the silliest interstellar travel idea. That long in space would destroy the human body and make colonizing the planet almost impossible, living in a tiny ship would drive everyone crazy, etc. Why don-t people talk about suspended animation, or freezing embryos, more? Until we figure out warp drives of course -
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-gizmoknow-how2022
Considering how extremely fragile human beings are, generations of human beings spending their entire lives on a space ship constantly moving at ungodly speeds for thousands of years, is so damn extremely impossible, I mean just forget about it.
Now if that wasn't enough, there's the weight calculation dilemma.
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Considering how extremely fragile human beings are, generations of human beings spending their entire lives on a space ship constantly moving at ungodly speeds for thousands of years, is so damn extremely impossible, I mean just forget about it.
Now if that wasn't enough, there's the weight calculation dilemma.
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-Paikon097
Even if we could teavel near lightspeed limit there might be ways to cheat lightspeed with some space warping weirdness that we dont know about so this paradox would still be possible+ even if we can get near lightspeed then we would have to accelerate and deaccelerate slowly so human body could live through that
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Even if we could teavel near lightspeed limit there might be ways to cheat lightspeed with some space warping weirdness that we dont know about so this paradox would still be possible+ even if we can get near lightspeed then we would have to accelerate and deaccelerate slowly so human body could live through that
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-yeshuasage3724
No mention of the fact that space itself is lethal to human life and any human crew would die long before reaching anywhere
Only robots can and ever will travel interstellar
The only space ship humans will ever successfully ride generation after generation is the spaceship which gave birth to them -
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No mention of the fact that space itself is lethal to human life and any human crew would die long before reaching anywhere
Only robots can and ever will travel interstellar
The only space ship humans will ever successfully ride generation after generation is the spaceship which gave birth to them -
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reallifelore
What we see in space is also looking back in time. With extinction level threats everywhere, by the time we reach our destination it could no longer be there. Oh & there's the universe expanding at the speed of light problem also. Our destination could be moving away from us & we could never catch it
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What we see in space is also looking back in time. With extinction level threats everywhere, by the time we reach our destination it could no longer be there. Oh & there's the universe expanding at the speed of light problem also. Our destination could be moving away from us & we could never catch it
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-shiningarmour6805
And what if you arrive and find no planet habitable.
I mean if we take Earth out of the equation, if we came visiting to this solar system, we wouldn't go -oh lets settle on Mars or Venus- because it just isn't possible.
The whole -settle on a planet- is just wrong.
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And what if you arrive and find no planet habitable.
I mean if we take Earth out of the equation, if we came visiting to this solar system, we wouldn't go -oh lets settle on Mars or Venus- because it just isn't possible.
The whole -settle on a planet- is just wrong.
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-nook201
Really gotta disagree about no one volunteering to do a generation ship. I-m sure you could find hundreds or more that-d be interested. I do agree though it-s a painful decision. Biggest ethical issue is signing up hundreds of generations against their will.
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Really gotta disagree about no one volunteering to do a generation ship. I-m sure you could find hundreds or more that-d be interested. I do agree though it-s a painful decision. Biggest ethical issue is signing up hundreds of generations against their will.
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-geraldwatts5492
People say that being a part of a generation ship is such a sacrifice. I'd say it is a blessing and an honor. I'm not even sure if I'd be impressive enough to even have the right to board one if they had one, but I would do it in a heartbeat.
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People say that being a part of a generation ship is such a sacrifice. I'd say it is a blessing and an honor. I'm not even sure if I'd be impressive enough to even have the right to board one if they had one, but I would do it in a heartbeat.
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-iac4357
Not to mention-
A- What Guarantee is there that a few 100 Colonists will survive on the new Planet.
B- What will the Results be on the Astronauts, from the cumulative effects of Radiation, from 19, 000 years of Space Travel!
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Not to mention-
A- What Guarantee is there that a few 100 Colonists will survive on the new Planet.
B- What will the Results be on the Astronauts, from the cumulative effects of Radiation, from 19, 000 years of Space Travel!
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-jabberrer
You would think if the situation arose with the faster ships being invented that they would promise to contact the people aboard the slower ship and pick them up on the way if they are going to the same destination.
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You would think if the situation arose with the faster ships being invented that they would promise to contact the people aboard the slower ship and pick them up on the way if they are going to the same destination.
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-murrethmedia
I mean, why can't they just have docking ports? Faster ship rendezvous with slower ship, picks the people up and gets them there faster. Hell we could get technology going so fast that we'll be there yesterday!
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I mean, why can't they just have docking ports? Faster ship rendezvous with slower ship, picks the people up and gets them there faster. Hell we could get technology going so fast that we'll be there yesterday!
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reallifelore
19, 000 years later. there is already native intelligent life on the target planet. And they don't want to share it with humans. So it's back to the ship and several thousand years to the next viable planet.
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19, 000 years later. there is already native intelligent life on the target planet. And they don't want to share it with humans. So it's back to the ship and several thousand years to the next viable planet.
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-davemmar
As a space farer on the described ship, you are committing your children, their children etc. to this voyage. Concern number two, where will you store the supplies and food for all generations of travelers?
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As a space farer on the described ship, you are committing your children, their children etc. to this voyage. Concern number two, where will you store the supplies and food for all generations of travelers?
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-hanbo123
The only way we'll ever achieve this would be through a massive scientific breakthrough allowing us to travel close to the speed of light, or that we discover how to jump space through worm holes.
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The only way we'll ever achieve this would be through a massive scientific breakthrough allowing us to travel close to the speed of light, or that we discover how to jump space through worm holes.
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-JaguarPawe
Let's face it, colonizing the universe is an impossible Hollywood fantasy. Our very existence is so improbable and tenuous that C-3PO would short circuit trying to calculate the probabilities.
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Let's face it, colonizing the universe is an impossible Hollywood fantasy. Our very existence is so improbable and tenuous that C-3PO would short circuit trying to calculate the probabilities.
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-redheadredneck
This is why I think Aliens may never want war (1000s of years ago): LETS GET THOSE GUYS! (1000s of years later): ya know guys maybe great great grandpa wasn-t so right about this WAR thing
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This is why I think Aliens may never want war (1000s of years ago): LETS GET THOSE GUYS! (1000s of years later): ya know guys maybe great great grandpa wasn-t so right about this WAR thing
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-bmla88
Those people who show up later would be so behind intellectually of the humans the planet they would almost be like cave people. Language and communication would probably be vastly different
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Those people who show up later would be so behind intellectually of the humans the planet they would almost be like cave people. Language and communication would probably be vastly different
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-grippingrope9937
Bro this concept needs to be a book or a tv show or something. Not just the idea of a generation ship but getting there and discovering that humanity sent something faster already
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Bro this concept needs to be a book or a tv show or something. Not just the idea of a generation ship but getting there and discovering that humanity sent something faster already
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-scottk1525
Imagine being tasked with building a ship that can fly at 150, 000 mph for 20, 000 years straight. Oh and it needs to be a smooth enough ride for all on board to walk around easily.
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Imagine being tasked with building a ship that can fly at 150, 000 mph for 20, 000 years straight. Oh and it needs to be a smooth enough ride for all on board to walk around easily.
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